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Berman blog: Maybe the Curry Trade Wasn't a Bulls Steal
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11/25/2006  12:53 PM
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2006/11/maybe_curry_pac.html

Maybe Curry package wasn't a Bulls steal
By MARC BERMAN

If there is any weekend in the past 13 months in which Isiah Thomas can say the Eddy Curry trade does not look so horrendous, it is this one.

Forget that Curry had a wonderful night in Boston Friday night and still teases us with flashes of All-Star potential.

Let's really look at what they gave up for Curry, who faces the Bulls tonight. The salt in the wound was supposed to come this season when the Bulls finished with one of the best records in the NBA and the Knicks finished in the lottery. The Bulls would have been able to swap picks with the Knicks, who would've went from a chance at Greg Oden to a first-round bubble guy.

However, the Bulls, with Ben Wallace a bust, limp in at 3-9 following getting massacred in Philly. Big Ben was benched. They have a worse record than the Knicks (5-9). Is it possible both teams make the lottery and the damage won't be as sweeping. Swapping lottery picks would be easier to swallow for a Knick fan.

Now let's look at Tyrus Thomas, whom the Bulls took with the Knicks' selection at No. 2. On opening night Tyrus looked active, blocking a Shaq shot. But he's on the fringe of the rotation for now. Yes, he might turn into a defensive demon but he was a freshman at LSU when he entered the draft and it could take a few years. Curry is ready now to be an impact player. On nights he wants to be.

As for Michael Sweetney and Tim Thomas. Sweetney has played six minutes this season. Thomas never played for the Bulls. Believe it or not, it's still too early to condemn the Curry trade as a complete disaster. When it comes down to it, it could be a swap of Curry for Tyrus. And I'd rather have Curry the next two years.


Posted by Marc Berman on November 25, 2006 11:50 AM
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Hey, bottom line, if we don't swap picks this year, the trade is essentially Curry for Tyrus Thomas and Mike "bubble butt" Sweetney. I'd still make that trade today.
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11/25/2006  1:08 PM
This should really give people perspective.
Without the 2007 pick Swap(If Bulls Record>Knicks) it's essentially Thomas for Curry.

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11/25/2006  1:16 PM
Keep in mind though, The Bulls are just finishing up a massive road trip which has been a disastor for them. To be fair, the trip they are comming off would have been hard for any team. They will play about 7 straight home games soon, and will have a chance to straighten out there record. We will get a better feel for the Bulls by January when the schedule evens out.
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11/25/2006  1:23 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

Keep in mind though, The Bulls are just finishing up a massive road trip which has been a disastor for them. To be fair, the trip they are comming off would have been hard for any team. They will play about 7 straight home games soon, and will have a chance to straighten out there record. We will get a better feel for the Bulls by January when the schedule evens out.

agreed. we've also already played the Spurs and Rockets a total of four times though. but yeah, I expect that the Bulls will easily make the playoffs when all is said and done.

still, I said it at the time and I'll say it now - it was a mistake to basically trade Tyson Chandler for Ben Wallace. Tyson's best years are ahead of him, Ben's are behind him. Ben's rebounds have gone down every year since 02-03, that's a long time for a steady decline. They're still good, but I think they made a mistake. I also question drafting Tyrus. Lamarcus Aldridge would've given them a post pressence. Brandon Roy would have given them a burly SG to switch up the small Ben Gordon.

I'll be happy if we get close enough so the pick swap doesn't matter. If we draft 15th and they draft 19th, I don't care about the swap.
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11/25/2006  1:37 PM
i hope bermans best case scenario happens.
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11/25/2006  1:39 PM
We also got Davis which was traded for Balkman.
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11/25/2006  1:46 PM
Lets not forget that the Bulls are a team that has shown that they have the capability to win games in bunches. That being said I dont think its fair to say that their record has to do with their schedule, they are losing games because the arent playing well. When a team that relies on defense fails to stop the opposing team, they are going to have problems. Similar to that other Chigago team, the Bears, the Bulls' success depends on D.

The Wallace signing is starting to look terrible. A defensive minded center with ZERO offensive skills on a team that already had no problem on D. Sounds ironic, but I think that if we did a center swap, Curry for Wallace, it would be a much better fit for the respective teams.

Can you imagine a better fit in the middle for the Knicks than Wallace? Would Curry provide the bulls with the low post scoring presence that they need?

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11/25/2006  1:46 PM
I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands
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11/25/2006  1:51 PM
Posted by Elite:

I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands

hey, that's what DLee and Qrich are for. seriously, you don't need every guy on your team to be a monster rebounder.
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11/25/2006  1:53 PM
Posted by Elite:

I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands

Thats just lame hater talk. While he needs to rebound better he gets easy and hard rebounds just like every other big. He gets offensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds dont just bounce in to guys hands. You have to attack to get most of them
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11/25/2006  1:57 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Elite:

I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands

hey, that's what DLee and Qrich are for. seriously, you don't need every guy on your team to be a monster rebounder.

It would be nice to have a center that atleast fought for rebounds, not just stand there watching someone else go for it.
I'm mostly comparing Eddy and Aldridge as far as the trade goes, he would have been my top choice had we kept the pick.
But back to the blog, if we can avoid the swap, or as crzy said, keep it a relatively small swap, that trade stings alot less than it did this summer.
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11/25/2006  1:57 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Elite:

I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands

Thats just lame hater talk. While he needs to rebound better he gets easy and hard rebounds just like every other big. He gets offensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds dont just bounce in to guys hands. You have to attack to get most of them

Its easy to get an offensive rebound when your bricking 2 footers right back to yourself. Its not hater talk to say that Curry is one of the worst rebounders for a big man in the entire NBA. Its an objective statement. And there is no excuse for it considering how big he is and how high he can jump. Make no mistake about it, Curry has got hops. He just doesnt have the DESIRE to rebound. And that is a FACT.

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11/25/2006  2:29 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Elite:

I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands

Thats just lame hater talk. While he needs to rebound better he gets easy and hard rebounds just like every other big. He gets offensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds dont just bounce in to guys hands. You have to attack to get most of them

Its easy to get an offensive rebound when your bricking 2 footers right back to yourself. Its not hater talk to say that Curry is one of the worst rebounders for a big man in the entire NBA. Its an objective statement. And there is no excuse for it considering how big he is and how high he can jump. Make no mistake about it, Curry has got hops. He just doesnt have the DESIRE to rebound. And that is a FACT.

I clearly said he needs to rebound better but it is hater talk to insist that every rebound he gets just bounces to him like nobody else on the court is ever trying for any rebound he gets. Curry is really around 6 foot 10. That is not an amazing height for a center. To say because of his height he should get 10 rebs a night is presumptious. The players he goes against are usually his height or taler. Often they are also quicker leapers. People on messageboards for some reason assume centers are the nbas dominant rebounders. They often are not. Often its pfs that make up most the top 10 in rebounding. Thats gone on for many years. I wnat him to try harder for rebounds. I wnat him to improve his rebounding butthe hate shown to this guy goes overboard
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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11/25/2006  2:29 PM
Posted by izybx:

Lets not forget that the Bulls are a team that has shown that they have the capability to win games in bunches. That being said I dont think its fair to say that their record has to do with their schedule, they are losing games because the arent playing well. When a team that relies on defense fails to stop the opposing team, they are going to have problems. Similar to that other Chigago team, the Bears, the Bulls' success depends on D.

The Wallace signing is starting to look terrible. A defensive minded center with ZERO offensive skills on a team that already had no problem on D. Sounds ironic, but I think that if we did a center swap, Curry for Wallace, it would be a much better fit for the respective teams.

Can you imagine a better fit in the middle for the Knicks than Wallace? Would Curry provide the bulls with the low post scoring presence that they need?



Yeah, I think Chicago's problems go beyond their schedule. They have no inside scoring and rely on their perimeter players too much. Wallace is done (well he is not quite done but he is not going to be getting any better), which is why the Pistons did not overpay for him. These next two games will be crucial. If we can beat Chicago here and in their arena, our confidence will boost and it might take the Bulls a few more games to regroup.
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11/25/2006  2:32 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Elite:

I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands

Thats just lame hater talk. While he needs to rebound better he gets easy and hard rebounds just like every other big. He gets offensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds dont just bounce in to guys hands. You have to attack to get most of them

do you watch eddy curry play? I dont give a **** if he gets 20 and 10 ONE OUT OF EVERY 5 GAMES... if he can get 20 and 10 for a SEASON ill shut the **** up... he ALWAYS has these typeso f boston type games ONCE IN A WHILE... so what? doesent mean ****... he still has MORE games where his innept effort and total lack of any kind of hustle single handedly LOOSES the game for us.. Eddy Curry is a big fat peice of garbage he has a lot more work to do to proove that statement false.
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11/25/2006  2:34 PM
is this article for real? berman's an idiot.

and wallace replaced chandler...not curry so he has nothing to do with the eddy deal.
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11/25/2006  2:35 PM
It's still far too early to presume anything about records at this point. The Bulls started the season 0-9 or 0-8 a few years back and then made the playoffs, and the Mavs who started out awful this season have a long win streak going. Hopefully Oden remains out of the draft for another season and the Bulls record remains worse than ours, or at least only marginally different, but the first month of the season isn't even over yet.
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11/25/2006  2:38 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Elite:

I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands

Thats just lame hater talk. While he needs to rebound better he gets easy and hard rebounds just like every other big. He gets offensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds dont just bounce in to guys hands. You have to attack to get most of them

alot of people get toooo creative with the curry bashing. Yes Curry needs to chase down those rebounds that hit the ground more often, but when rebounds hit the ground that means your bigs are boxing out and other players are suppose to chase those down.

I know when people make these "jokes" about Curry they are thinking about those two rebounds that happened against the Celtics in MSG. Yes curry should have chased those rebounds down or atleast tried. But what people don't notice or remember is that Currys man didn't get those rebounds, because curry was boxiing out. Wally and Gomes came flying in to grab those boards because their men released. SMH @ the Hate!!!!!!!
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11/25/2006  2:42 PM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Elite:

I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands

Thats just lame hater talk. While he needs to rebound better he gets easy and hard rebounds just like every other big. He gets offensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds dont just bounce in to guys hands. You have to attack to get most of them

do you watch eddy curry play? I dont give a **** if he gets 20 and 10 ONE OUT OF EVERY 5 GAMES... if he can get 20 and 10 for a SEASON ill shut the **** up... he ALWAYS has these typeso f boston type games ONCE IN A WHILE... so what? doesent mean ****... he still has MORE games where his innept effort and total lack of any kind of hustle single handedly LOOSES the game for us.. Eddy Curry is a big fat peice of garbage he has a lot more work to do to proove that statement false.

Yeah I watch them play. Ive been watching them play longer than you have been alive.

1 single center in the NBA averages 20-10. Thats Yao but no sense bringing reality in to your posts.

By the way your cursing and insults on a messageboard really just make you seem very insecure
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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11/25/2006  2:43 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Elite:

I disagree untill eddy grabs at least one rebound that doesent simple bounce into his hands

Thats just lame hater talk. While he needs to rebound better he gets easy and hard rebounds just like every other big. He gets offensive rebounds. Offensive rebounds dont just bounce in to guys hands. You have to attack to get most of them

alot of people get toooo creative with the curry bashing. Yes Curry needs to chase down those rebounds that hit the ground more often, but when rebounds hit the ground that means your bigs are boxing out and other players are suppose to chase those down.

I know when people make these "jokes" about Curry they are thinking about those two rebounds that happened against the Celtics in MSG. Yes curry should have chased those rebounds down or atleast tried. But what people don't notice or remember is that Currys man didn't get those rebounds, because curry was boxiing out. Wally and Gomes came flying in to grab those boards because their men released. SMH @ the Hate!!!!!!!


You watch the game as a Knicks fan. Haters watch the game hoping to find somebody to blame. Thats the difference.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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