We sure could use this guy right about now...
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Nalod
Posts: 72379 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
11/16/2006 10:55 PM
I recall on these very pages how it was his fault we sucked, he killed our cap, and he was too soft.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
11/16/2006 11:33 PM
for the record, i was always a Houston fan.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Ira
Posts: 24693 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/14/2001 Member: #91 |
11/17/2006 12:09 AM
His jump shot was a thing of beauty. I think I remember reading that his father was a coach.
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izybx
Posts: 22366 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 10/16/2006 Member: #1178 USA |
11/17/2006 12:18 AM
His shot was wet tho, to bad him and marbs could never get going together. Talk about a one two punch...
Beat the Evil Empire. BEAT MIAMI
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islesfan
Posts: 9999 Alba Posts: 37 Joined: 7/19/2004 Member: #712 |
11/17/2006 12:26 AM
Posted by Ira: I believe his father coached him at Tennessee. If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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joec32033
Posts: 30640 Alba Posts: 37 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #583 USA |
11/17/2006 5:38 AM
Posted by islesfan:Posted by Ira: Correct. Allan also played PG in that system. ~You can't run from who you are.~
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wsdm
Posts: 20803 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/16/2006 Member: #1167 |
11/17/2006 5:53 AM
Posted by joec32033:Posted by islesfan:Posted by Ira: Really? Wow! He didn't strike me as having any PG skills in the NBA. (He's still one of my all-time favorites though.) www.selltheknicks.com----No more DOLANOMICS!
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93BUICK
Posts: 22281 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 10/6/2006 Member: #1175 USA |
11/17/2006 7:07 AM
Both Isiah and Layden and all those coaches would have looked better with a healthy Allan
If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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Silverfuel
Posts: 31750 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 6/27/2002 Member: #268 USA |
11/17/2006 7:22 AM
Are we more in need of defense or jump shooting. From what I see, we need someone like Oakley or Camby instead of someone like Houston. I am sure I will hear you guys bitch about Crawford not playing defense but for some reason Houston gets a pass. Whatever. The guy was 1-dimensional, nothing more than a shooting specialist.
You are right that he would fit in this team. But thats about it. He would fit. It would make very little difference on our Win-Loss record. We can score, we cannot defend. I can name 5 other ex-Knicks that we can rather use: Ewing, Camby, Oakley, Spree and LJ. They all played defense and we need defense. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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fishmike
Posts: 53903 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
11/17/2006 7:35 AM
Houston played better D than any guard not named Q we have right now. Guys that score like he did arent just shooting specialists. Steve Kerr is a shooting specialist.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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oohah
Posts: 26600 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/7/2005 Member: #887 |
11/17/2006 8:22 AM
Posted by wsdm:Posted by joec32033:Posted by islesfan:Posted by Ira: He didn't play PG in college. He brought the ball up occasionally, but he was a shooting guard/SF. oohah [Edited by - oohah on 17-11-2006 08:37 AM] Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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Swishfm3
Posts: 23358 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/28/2003 Member: #392 |
11/17/2006 8:24 AM
Posted by fishmike: LMAO!! Is that a joke?? hahaha...I remember Spreewell always having to guard the other teams best defender BECAUSE Houston couldn't be depended on. If ANYTHING, I would say Houston defense was on par with the guards we have now. the hate on this site is amazing |
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NotFrye
Posts: 20353 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/29/2005 Member: #935 |
11/17/2006 8:48 AM
which one of our guards aside from q do you think is a better defender? Allan was always at minimum an average defender, and I always felt as though his d was better than advertised- not so quick laterally, but he was smart on d and hustled. You never saw him put up 35+ minutes of O-Lay like the crap we have now.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
11/17/2006 9:47 AM
in terms of defense, Allan was about on a par w/Marbury... he left his fare share of guys wide open on the perimeter too, but he at least bodied up down low when he was guarding guys in the post, much like Marbury does.
Crawford is probably a better on ball defender w/his long arms & lateral quickness, but is a horrible help defender... Houston at least drew some charges now & again. Nate is pesky when he's ballhawkin' guys who are bringing it up the floor, & he sneaks in on help D to get steals... his problem is his size, & he can easily get muscled down low & shot over by bigger opponents... Allan was at least a decent post defender because of his size. Francis is just a horrible defender, period... the only thing he does is draw a charge once in a blue moon, but he's probably a worse on ball & help defender than any other G on this team or Allan ever was. Collins looks to be a better defender in all areas than any of our G's or Allan so far... Q Rich is a very good defender as well, but he's been playing the 3 so i'll leave him out of this discussion. Offensively, i don't think any of our G's can stack up to Allan's ability to score whenever he wanted to... that turn around jumpshot was deadly, & if you left him wide open behind the 3 point line, he'll kill you from long range too... not to mention he was a very decent post player as well, & often posted up his man down low to take advantage of his size advantage... & early on before his knees wore down, he was a very solid penetrator into the lane as well, & not at all that bad a passer either. [Edited by - TMS on 11-17-2006 09:49 AM] After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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martin
Posts: 80917 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
11/17/2006 9:55 AM
Posted by Swishfm3:Posted by fishmike: Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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NYKBocker
Posts: 38582 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
11/17/2006 10:15 AM
Posted by martin:Posted by Swishfm3:Posted by fishmike: |
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Silverfuel
Posts: 31750 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 6/27/2002 Member: #268 USA |
11/17/2006 11:03 AM
Posted by martin:Posted by Swishfm3:Posted by fishmike: A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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Silverfuel
Posts: 31750 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 6/27/2002 Member: #268 USA |
11/17/2006 11:04 AM
Posted by fishmike:splitting hairs fishmike. Honestly, having Houston on this team makes how much of a difference in the Win-Loss record? A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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fishmike
Posts: 53903 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
11/17/2006 11:15 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:well... look at who he replaces!Posted by fishmike:splitting hairs fishmike. Honestly, having Houston on this team makes how much of a difference in the Win-Loss record? Nobody pretends Houston was a good m2m defender, but he was solid in the team defense because he could at least push a guy penetrating to help. He fought over screens and was difficult to post up. He was very strong while was never a rebounder he did a solid job keeping a body on his man. Houston didnt give up wide open jumpers. He knew where he was supposed to be and was smart to push guys towards the baseline or to where help was usually set up. He clearly got worse when his knee started giving him problems, although he maintained a good scoring average. Houston replacing Francis is a monster upgrade, even if we are talking about the post Ewing Houston. He didnt take bad shots, shot a high %, never missed FTs in crunchtime and his range created a lot of space. Dont know how many wins thats worth but its worth a few. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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