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Killa4luv
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11/10/2006  11:06 PM
1. Craw, Steph, Q, Lee, Balk, Nate, came to play.
2. Stayed in this in spite of the whole Curry helped us to build.
3. We showed that we have a legitimate "pressure d lineup" that works.
4. We didn't quit and walk away.
5. That Nate dunk was one of the best of the year.
6. Balkman has a jumper.
7. I see what Isiah means when he says he sees some Rodman.Artest in him. He was guarding Yao and doing a damn good job at it. Thats impressive.
8. 2 good game sin a row from Craw.

Bottom Line:
1. Need to find a way to keep up that defensive intensity in parts of the game that arent the 2nd half of the 4th quarter.
2. Offense needs tweaking, we were having problems scoring when Steph or Craw or QW weren't doing their own thing.
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11/10/2006  11:11 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

1. Craw, Steph, Q, Lee, Balk, Nate, came to play.
2. Stayed in this in spite of the whole Curry helped us to build.
3. We showed that we have a legitimate "pressure d lineup" that works.
4. We didn't quit and walk away.
5. That Nate dunk was one of the best of the year.
6. Balkman has a jumper.
7. I see what Isiah means when he says he sees some Rodman.Artest in him. He was guarding Yao and doing a damn good job at it. Thats impressive.
8. 2 good game sin a row from Craw.

Bottom Line:
1. Need to find a way to keep up that defensive intensity in parts of the game that arent the 2nd half of the 4th quarter.
2. Offense needs tweaking, we were having problems scoring when Steph or Craw or QW weren't doing their own thing.

Agree with everything. We need a consistant post threat, though. Frye and Curry's inconsistency are killing us. I would LOVE to jump all over Amare(Package including Frye or Curry) if he doesn't fit with PHX and put Lee next to him.
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bigbeast
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11/10/2006  11:16 PM
I agree with everything you mentioned. After screaming at Isiah for not doubling Yao, he made a risky yet affective move by putting a quicker Balkman on Yao to disrupt him.

Craw showed up in the 4th Q. Lee was awesome as usual. Tip-ins, rebounds, heady passing......Frye on the other hand is having major mental issues. And his post game is still pathetic. On the play when Frye spun and pump-faked in the post before Yao threw his shot to half court, Frye made a fundamental error. Why would you spin to your left (away from the defender) only to shoot with your right(which brings the ball right back to the defender you just spun away from?)

I dont want this to sound like Im jumping the gun, but we need more than a Reggie Evans or Etan to play next to Curry. Curry is a role player. He might excell playing next to Garnett or someone that can draw some defensive attention. Curry plays best when he can catch the ball on the move or if someone penetrates and dishes to him for a stuff.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 11-10-2006 11:17 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 11-10-2006 11:18 PM]
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11/10/2006  11:19 PM
Isiah needs to adjust the starting lineup for defense. curry screwed us tonight.
nixluva
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11/10/2006  11:22 PM
The reality of our situation is that right now we can't run our offense THRU Currry and Frye. We have to have them be secondary options to our guards. They are our best players right now. When we try to feature Curry and Frye it slows down the offense to a dead stop and we just fall behind. These 2 are much better when the focus isn't on them directly. They will be better when they can get easy baskets off our guard penetration and pick and roll plays. Once Curry went out all of a sudden you saw motion and passing and some more fluid basketball. I'm not saying to totally go away from him, but to limit the amount of early pure post ups. Let him get into the flow off of some easy catch and stuff type plays.

As for the good from the game:

1. Isiah actually did a good job with his use of the bench.
2. We have some defensive players who when mixed in with the starters give us a much better presence. The overall defensive effort was good. Except for Curry and Frye
3. Steph seems to be coming on, but not forcing it. He's letting the game come to him.
4. Lee and Balkman are a very good tandem for D.
5. Still in games at the end despite our offense being totally out of synch and our frontcourt not giving us much.

I get the feeling that this team is gonna be good once we put it all together and get healthy. This team shows signs of what it can be once we learn to harness the strengths we have. Isiah is learning something new about this team with every game and that will be valuable down the line.
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11/10/2006  11:23 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

I agree with everything you mentioned. After screaming at Isiah for not doubling Yao, he made a risky yet affective move by putting a quicker Balkman on Yao to disrupt him.

Craw showed up in the 4th Q. Lee was awesome as usual. Tip-ins, rebounds, heady passing......Frye on the other hand is having major mental issues. And his post game is still pathetic. On the play when Frye spun and pump-faked in the post before Yao threw his shot to half court, Frye made a fundamental error. Why would you spin to your left (away from the defender) only to shoot with your right(which brings the ball right back to the defender you just spun away from?)

I dont want this to sound like Im jumping the gun, but we need more than a Reggie Evans or Etan to play next to Curry. Curry is a role player. He might excell playing next to Garnett or someone that can draw some defensive attention. Curry plays best when he can catch the ball on the move or if someone penetrates and dishes to him for a stuff.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 11-10-2006 11:17 PM]

[Edited by - bigbeast on 11-10-2006 11:18 PM]

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I hope he will break something... But the way he played he will be unfortunately OK
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11/10/2006  11:24 PM
I was saying in preseason that Zeke needed to change the starting line-up. With Marbury's Late game heroics and HOF play late in games why even start him? Start Craw with Steve, Q, Lee, Frye when healthy. Put Frye at center. Bring Nate, Jeff and the trash off the bench.
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11/10/2006  11:24 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The reality of our situation is that right now we can't run our offense THRU Currry and Frye. We have to have them be secondary options to our guards. They are our best players right now. When we try to feature Curry and Frye it slows down the offense to a dead stop and we just fall behind. These 2 are much better when the focus isn't on them directly. They will be better when they can get easy baskets off our guard penetration and pick and roll plays. Once Curry went out all of a sudden you saw motion and passing and some more fluid basketball. I'm not saying to totally go away from him, but to limit the amount of early pure post ups. Let him get into the flow off of some easy catch and stuff type plays.

As for the good from the game:

1. Isiah actually did a good job with his use of the bench.
2. We have some defensive players who when mixed in with the starters give us a much better presence. The overall defensive effort was good. Except for Curry and Frye
3. Steph seems to be coming on, but not forcing it. He's letting the game come to him.
4. Lee and Balkman are a very good tandem for D.
5. Still in games at the end despite our offense being totally out of synch and our frontcourt not giving us much.

I get the feeling that this team is gonna be good once we put it all together and get healthy. This team shows signs of what it can be once we learn to harness the strengths we have. Isiah is learning something new about this team with every game and that will be valuable down the line.

There are players on this team that can form the core of a good team. What's starting to concern me is that I'm not sure that Curry and Frye can be part of that.
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11/10/2006  11:27 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The reality of our situation is that right now we can't run our offense THRU Currry and Frye. We have to have them be secondary options to our guards. They are our best players right now. When we try to feature Curry and Frye it slows down the offense to a dead stop and we just fall behind. These 2 are much better when the focus isn't on them directly. They will be better when they can get easy baskets off our guard penetration and pick and roll plays. Once Curry went out all of a sudden you saw motion and passing and some more fluid basketball. I'm not saying to totally go away from him, but to limit the amount of early pure post ups. Let him get into the flow off of some easy catch and stuff type plays.

As for the good from the game:

1. Isiah actually did a good job with his use of the bench.
2. We have some defensive players who when mixed in with the starters give us a much better presence. The overall defensive effort was good. Except for Curry and Frye
3. Steph seems to be coming on, but not forcing it. He's letting the game come to him.
4. Lee and Balkman are a very good tandem for D.
5. Still in games at the end despite our offense being totally out of synch and our frontcourt not giving us much.

I get the feeling that this team is gonna be good once we put it all together and get healthy. This team shows signs of what it can be once we learn to harness the strengths we have. Isiah is learning something new about this team with every game and that will be valuable down the line.

Isiah just learned that our frontcort sucks. What a surprise.





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11/10/2006  11:34 PM
One more positive: Low turnovers.
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Ira
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11/10/2006  11:43 PM
Does anyone still feel that the trade for Curry was a good one?
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11/10/2006  11:46 PM
Posted by Ira:

Does anyone still feel that the trade for Curry was a good one?

I think most will agree the trading Sweetney and TT for Curry wasn't a bad move. The mistake Isiah made was not protecting that pick and then compounding the mistake by giveng the Bulls an option to swicth picks again this yr.
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11/10/2006  11:48 PM
One more negative: 15 assists is pathetic. What happened to this motion offense?
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nixluva
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11/10/2006  11:50 PM
Once Isiah starts to see more of these players he's gonna make asjustments based off of what he sees. He can't panic and do drastic moves this early. He has to let this team play thru some of this. Frye does worry me and i'm sure that he is close to losing his starting spot if he doesn't snap out of it. Curry tho just got schooled by a VERY solid fundamental player who has the advantage of being more talented and skilled and BIGGER. He has to learn how to THINK his way thru games like this. He didn't vary his offense at all when he found that he couldn't just power thru Yao. Stupid flip shots and putting the ball straight up into Yao was a sign that he had no mental aspects to his game tonight. He also stopped playing hard as he got frustrated.
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11/10/2006  11:52 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Once Isiah starts to see more of these players he's gonna make asjustments based off of what he sees. He can't panic and do drastic moves this early. He has to let this team play thru some of this. Frye does worry me and i'm sure that he is close to losing his starting spot if he doesn't snap out of it. Curry tho just got schooled by a VERY solid fundamental player who has the advantage of being more talented and skilled and BIGGER. He has to learn how to THINK his way thru games like this. He didn't vary his offense at all when he found that he couldn't just power thru Yao. Stupid flip shots and putting the ball straight up into Yao was a sign that he had no mental aspects to his game tonight. He also stopped playing hard as he got frustrated.



Yao is coming into his own. He is going to do this to other players.

All this talk about LeBron and Wade, I think Yao is more of a franchise player than either and he's only getting better.

oohah

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11/10/2006  11:53 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by nixluva:

Once Isiah starts to see more of these players he's gonna make asjustments based off of what he sees. He can't panic and do drastic moves this early. He has to let this team play thru some of this. Frye does worry me and i'm sure that he is close to losing his starting spot if he doesn't snap out of it. Curry tho just got schooled by a VERY solid fundamental player who has the advantage of being more talented and skilled and BIGGER. He has to learn how to THINK his way thru games like this. He didn't vary his offense at all when he found that he couldn't just power thru Yao. Stupid flip shots and putting the ball straight up into Yao was a sign that he had no mental aspects to his game tonight. He also stopped playing hard as he got frustrated.



Yao is coming into his own. He is going to do this to other players.

All this talk about LeBron and Wade, I think Yao is more of a franchise player than either and he's only getting better.

oohah


He's not more of a franchise player than Lebron or Wade but he is becoming scary in terms of dominance
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11/10/2006  11:56 PM
He's not more of a franchise player than Lebron or Wade but he is becoming scary in terms of dominance

Wade is not a Franchise player at all. He is the 3rd guard to benefit from the Shaq effect. If you think he can be the centerpiece like LeBron or Yao and the team will be better than decent, take a look at how LeBron and Yao change the whole court when they play. Same way Shaq does.

oohah

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11/11/2006  12:00 AM
here is the observation from this game...and every game this year, in terms of the big picture:

it's nice to see them play hard and they should, especially after last season. isiah has them all on the same page and they're trying. but the team ain't built right. you can't win with a soft frontcourt of frye and curry. and lee and balkman ain't good enough to start together and win games. and our guards aren't good enough to carry such a soft defensive starting frontcourt to wins. the team just ain't built right.

two back to back AWFUL games by eddy. AWFUL.
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11/11/2006  12:05 AM
This one is not on eddy. he did ok considering Isiah had him guarding him one on one. Eddy on his best day can't stop him.

Isiah seems like he is all alone on the bench and has that look like he just figured out how Phuched he really is.
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11/11/2006  12:09 AM
Posted by Nalod:

This one is not on eddy. he did ok considering Isiah had him guarding him one on one. Eddy on his best day can't stop him.

Isiah seems like he is all alone on the bench and has that look like he just figured out how Phuched he really is.

interesting take on this one nalod, you may have a point there, but curry has to do better than that, for what we gave up for him, Idon't want to hear that he can't compete with yao on his best day.. that is not good news man... not at all..

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