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fishmike
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11/8/2006  7:40 AM
Isiah: I'll bench anyone



BY MICHAEL OBERNAUER
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

One day after Isiah Thomas turned to his bench to revive his lifeless team, the Knicks coach vowed yesterday that he was ready and willing to stick with the substitutes if the starters can't pick up their game - and one Knick veteran said the team's top dogs are "shaken" by the current state of affairs.
"I have zero favorites. I'll bench anyone," Thomas declared after the Knicks practiced in Greenburgh. "I think I showed you that (Monday) night. Whether it be (Stephon) Marbury, (Steve) Francis, whoever. I want to win."

How the Knicks(1-3) respond to their coach will be determined starting tonight, when they begin a three-game road trip in Denver against the Nuggets. But to hear Malik Rose tell it, some of his teammates could use a hug more than they need a challenge.

"We got a lot of guys who are shaken right now," said Rose, who was part of the unit that came in for the starters late in the first half against San Antonio and got the Knicks back into a game they would eventually lose. "We have guys on the team who are top talents in this league who are shaken right now, and it's just going to take time to get that confidence back."

Rose was clearly alluding to Marbury, who is having a miserable start to the season. After shooting a combined 3-for-18 against Atlanta and Indiana last week, Marbury, who did not speak with reporters yesterday, was removed from Monday's game with his team trailing 52-29 and languished on the bench while the second unit won over the Garden crowd - and, evidently, their coach.

"I'm encouraged by the fighters on our team," Thomas said. "I want us to play with great intensity, great concentration and great energy every night, and the players that perform and play that way will play for me. The players who don't play that way, won't play. That's as simple as I can put it."

Coincidentally, Thomas is picking up right where Larry Brown left off at the end of his dreadful tenure as Knicks coach, when he would threaten to revoke playing time to try to get his players to listen to him.

Thomas said that for the time being he plans no changes to the starting lineup, unless Francis is sidelined by the sprained left ankle he suffered Monday night, in which case Jamal Crawford would step in. Channing Frye - who shot 0-for-5 and played a tentative game against San Antonio - will remain in the lineup but is on alert.




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11/8/2006  7:47 AM
fishmike - c'mon doc, you are much better than simply parroting another person's opinion.

You KNOW there is not a single beat writer out there with an agenda based on solid, impartial journalism. Their job is first and foremost and ONLY - to SELL PAPERS.

So let's go for the sensational and not talk basketball.

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(Isiah) added: “I have zero favorites. I’ll bench anybody.”

Like I been saying from way back, the prime directive ha always been, "you suck, you sit"

“I got to do a better job of that,” Thomas said. “That’s not Channing’s fault.”

Sounds like a coach defending a player who is struggling.

“Sometimes it takes a slap in the face to really say: You know what? Let’s get our act together,” Frye said.

Sounds like a matureing player who will only improve.

What really is the issue?

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11/8/2006  7:53 AM
Think I'm kidding?

Next time you open ultimateknicks.com front page, count the number of daily articles that regurgitate the identical themes.

Then count the unique or original headlines.

Think for yourself people
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11/8/2006  7:56 AM
What really is the issue?
Isiah sucks... thats really the issue.

His trades have crippled our future.
His roster is full of insanely priced players with zero trade value attached to long term contracts.
He's passed franchise caliber talent to pick player to help him win now
4 games into the season he's dealing with exactly the same crap from this roster that Larry Brown dealt with.

Someone else's opinion? Ive wanted ISiah gone for some time. He's terrible. Everyone in the world seems to know it except like 5 guys and they all post on ultimateknicks

tell me I'm overdramatizing earl.. I need the pick me up
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11/8/2006  7:56 AM
What really is the issue?

Everything What Isiah does is bad.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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11/8/2006  8:03 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Think I'm kidding?

Next time you open ultimateknicks.com front page, count the number of daily articles that regurgitate the identical themes.

Then count the unique or original headlines.

Think for yourself people
why do you think that is?

Go ahead.. tell me something about this team thats "original"

Earl... is this a good basketball team?

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11/8/2006  8:04 AM
Posted by oohah:
What really is the issue?

Everything What Isiah does is bad.

oohah
the Kurt Thomas trade was good... so "everything" isnt quite accurate is it?

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11/8/2006  8:07 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by oohah:
What really is the issue?

Everything What Isiah does is bad.

oohah
the Kurt Thomas trade was good... so "everything" isnt quite accurate is it?

I am not sure what you mean. The point I am making is why can't some guys cannot give Isiah positive credit for anything? Why is EVERYTHING he does bad!?

And trust me, that is not me. I give credit and dis, depending on whether IT has done something good or bad. No one-sided point-of-views here.

oohah

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11/8/2006  8:16 AM
tell me something good he's done...

I think the KT move is the only one that hasnt backfired. Am I wrong?

What positives do you give a GM that has failed as totally as Isiah has?
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11/8/2006  8:19 AM
fishmike - this is a basketball team which has played four games.

This is a basketball team that outscored San Antonio in the second half

This is basketball team which lost to the 3-1 Atlanta Hawks

This is a squad on a long road trip, away from the boo-birds who relish the first sign of trouble, to express their impatience.

This is a squad without two projected significant contributors, Jeffries and Frye

It still is a work in progress if you hired Kiki Vandeweghe tomorrow morining. That is the legacy that predates Isiah's 2.5 years. Layden had four years.

Then again, if Isiah THomas is Satan as you claim, we're all in deep trouble for being loyal Knicks fans
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11/8/2006  8:37 AM
fishmike - this is a basketball team which has played four games.
and they are playing exactly the same as they have the previous 164
This is a basketball team that outscored San Antonio in the second half
sadly its the total after 4 qtrs that counts. SA built up a 20 point lead and went on cruise control. Who won that game?
This is a squad on a long road trip, away from the boo-birds who relish the first sign of trouble, to express their impatience.
funny. I thought I heard quite a lot of support when the Knicks made their run. Lets see if we can draw some conclusions..
cause: good play
effect: chants of defense and thunderous applause
cause: bad play, bad effort
effect: chants of refund and fire Marbury
This is a squad without two projected significant contributors, Jeffries and Frye
they are missing JJ, but his replacement has been the best player on the team in Q. They arent missing Frye, he's just playing like crap. If call all the guys playing poor as 'missing' the Knick would have to play like 5 on 2 most nights.
It still is a work in progress if you hired Kiki Vandeweghe tomorrow morining. That is the legacy that predates Isiah's 2.5 years. Layden had four years.
it was a work in progress 3 years ago (this Dec is year 3). Too bad its a work in progress now as we approach a Lebron/Wade/Melo/Amare type deep draft with Chicago's pick.
Then again, if Isiah THomas is Satan as you claim, we're all in deep trouble for being loyal Knicks fans
when did I claim that? I certainly dont remember calling him anything except a crappy GM. Maybe you can refresh my memory?

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11/8/2006  8:40 AM
Posted by fishmike:
fishmike - this is a basketball team which has played four games.
and they are playing exactly the same as they have the previous 164
This is a basketball team that outscored San Antonio in the second half
sadly its the total after 4 qtrs that counts. SA built up a 20 point lead and went on cruise control. Who won that game?
This is a squad on a long road trip, away from the boo-birds who relish the first sign of trouble, to express their impatience.
funny. I thought I heard quite a lot of support when the Knicks made their run. Lets see if we can draw some conclusions..
cause: good play
effect: chants of defense and thunderous applause
cause: bad play, bad effort
effect: chants of refund and fire Marbury
This is a squad without two projected significant contributors, Jeffries and Frye
they are missing JJ, but his replacement has been the best player on the team in Q. They arent missing Frye, he's just playing like crap. If call all the guys playing poor as 'missing' the Knick would have to play like 5 on 2 most nights.
It still is a work in progress if you hired Kiki Vandeweghe tomorrow morining. That is the legacy that predates Isiah's 2.5 years. Layden had four years.
it was a work in progress 3 years ago (this Dec is year 3). Too bad its a work in progress now as we approach a Lebron/Wade/Melo/Amare type deep draft with Chicago's pick.
Then again, if Isiah THomas is Satan as you claim, we're all in deep trouble for being loyal Knicks fans
when did I claim that? I certainly dont remember calling him anything except a crappy GM. Maybe you can refresh my memory?

-fishmike

Stop biting.

oohah

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11/8/2006  9:08 AM
Isiah after 4 games really does not look that confident. Im sorry, I meant is not acting confident about his team.

Its one thing to say "we are a work in progress" and throw a few nuggets out there to chew on, but even he is now disgusted with the lack of effort.

He must be frustrated as he has done a 180 from Larry but is not getting the intensity needed.

Can't coach effort. Cost the team 40 somthing million dollars to learn that from larry. NOw we got Isiah talking to the media and he is trying to motivate his team.

So while its early, what basis of hope do we go with?

8 game winning streak last winter? Summerleague? Candy ass Preseason schedule playing against practice squads?

Even Philly jumped out nice! And I be we all thought we better than them!

I find little reason to feel good about this team. Draft pick is diluted, cap is still a mess, and trade value of dishonerable players are low.

This aint about selling sneakers or being a good role model, its about the game!
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11/8/2006  9:19 AM
Dolan making Isiah coach this team is a fitting act of cruelty.
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11/8/2006  9:34 AM
The situation with Rangers dismentaling is repeating itself.
Unfortinately it will be no lockout in NBA.
Dolan needs to say goodby to 100-150 mils or sell the team...
The team value is probably so low now that these options are almout indentical.
To sell the team to some venture group and get money back from Garden and facilities rent can be a better choise.
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11/8/2006  9:46 AM
Posted by arkrud:

The situation with Rangers dismentaling is repeating itself.
Unfortinately it will be no lockout in NBA.
Dolan needs to say goodby to 100-150 mils or sell the team...
The team value is probably so low now that these options are almout indentical.
To sell the team to some venture group and get money back from Garden and facilities rent can be a better choise.
The correct way to buy the Knicks is to buy the Garden, MSG Network Rangers Knicks Liberty etc..--it's the entire package that has the appeal to an investor. But that is a BIG price tag and would be a rough negotiation to get something that big done. 100% ownership of all entities will be +1B maybe 1.5B--Either you are mega-rich like woody johnson or you have a group that wants to change and develop Garden to bring out more value? Im sure there have been packages brought to the Dolan Group. Dolan's have such HUGE cash flow that even with the rediculous expenditures they have money coming out of their trees on their lawn. They can do whatever they want.
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11/8/2006  9:50 AM
"Yeah, I believe that," he said. "I love the confines of the Garden, I love the energy and the atmosphere. It's pleasant when we're winning. But right now for us to get our confidence going as a team, it's good for us to get away. That's where teams get that bunker mentality, that me-against-the-world thing. When we get to Denver, the only people who care about us are the guys in that locker room, the guys on the bench. That's where we're going to learn to play as a team."

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11/8/2006  9:51 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by arkrud:

The situation with Rangers dismentaling is repeating itself.
Unfortinately it will be no lockout in NBA.
Dolan needs to say goodby to 100-150 mils or sell the team...
The team value is probably so low now that these options are almout indentical.
To sell the team to some venture group and get money back from Garden and facilities rent can be a better choise.
The correct way to buy the Knicks is to buy the Garden, MSG Network Rangers Knicks Liberty etc..--it's the entire package that has the appeal to an investor. But that is a BIG price tag and would be a rough negotiation to get something that big done. 100% ownership of all entities will be +1B maybe 1.5B--Either you are mega-rich like woody johnson or you have a group that wants to change and develop Garden to bring out more value? Im sure there have been packages brought to the Dolan Group. Dolan's have such HUGE cash flow that even with the rediculous expenditures they have money coming out of their trees on their lawn. They can do whatever they want.

LOl Dolan's trying to buyout stock--8B

RIP Crushalot😞
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11/8/2006  10:06 AM
let's look at isiah's motivational tools:

"we're going to have tired legs"
"i'd be happy to be 6 games under .500 at the end of this month"
"our first 18 games don't look promising"
"wait until after the break"

and he's surprised this fragile group of egos went down by 20 vs the spurs?

and now he's flexing his "juice card", talking about pink slips. nobody's buying your schtick isiah. that's why the fans are booing you. the bravado you're trying to exhibit is not helping the cause b/c when, yes, WHEN the knicks lose the next 3 games, there's a good chance you lose the team for the season.
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11/8/2006  10:12 AM
dj - are you praying for the knicks to lose the next three?

or do you watch 'em one game at a time?

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