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NYKniCksFan87
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11/2/2006  12:12 AM
I know, I know, its only one game, but Fryes defense is bad...i mean baaaaad.

Curry defense improved which was great to see, but frye was

i cringed 3 times when i saw fryes rotation on screen and rolls, pick and pops....its like he doesnt know which way to go leaving him self looking really undecisive...3 times he let warrick beat him forcing curry to help, when only he should be covering his man.

Lee on the other hand is awesome, great player...great bball IQ, his defense has gotten better than last year, plus his intangibles are great, i rahter he start @ PF. Him and Q make a good duo

im very impressed by curry, his stats had an actual impact on the game, plus his defense improved tremendously, he looked winded in the 4th quarter and OT, but he played 40 mins for the 1st time in a while, hopefully he does this on a consistent basis

just me 2 cents
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11/2/2006  12:24 AM
i agree... Frye's interior defense is worse than any other bigman on this team... & he looked completely lost on the offensive end as well... to be fair to that point though, i saw plenty of times where he was wide open cutting to the lane off a pick & roll when either Jamal, Steph or Francis failed to get him the ball & instead chose to drive & chuck up a contested layup or fadeaway.
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11/2/2006  12:28 AM
Wait a sec, guys. At least give him 5 games. He doesn't get out of this slump, then park his ass on the pine.
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11/2/2006  12:35 AM
i'm not relegating him to the bench just yet... everyone has an off game... but his defense is ridiculously bad... he needs to work on that.
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11/2/2006  12:40 AM
I've been saying it for a while. He's totally out of synch.
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11/2/2006  12:43 AM
I was calling for Lee to start at the end of last year and all through the summer. I think its pretty evident that right now that Frye is not a starter in the NBA.
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11/2/2006  12:44 AM
Frye will be fine. He's just got to find his groove on this team. I would keep him in there and let him work it out. He just needs to have a good game to get his confidence going. Overall I think he's actually not as bad as some of you make it seem. There are some very quick PF's in this league who actually aren't even PF's but tweeners who are really pumped up SF's. Once we start to post him more and get him more involved he'll be back.
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11/2/2006  12:48 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Frye will be fine. He's just got to find his groove on this team. I would keep him in there and let him work it out. He just needs to have a good game to get his confidence going. Overall I think he's actually not as bad as some of you make it seem. There are some very quick PF's in this league who actually aren't even PF's but tweeners who are really pumped up SF's. Once we start to post him more and get him more involved he'll be back.

No one is saying he won't find his way. I don't think it'll come as fast as some others think but right now he looks absolutely lost out there. Teams are starting to play his shooting because they know he doesn't do much else out there. I really think he needs to develop and he should do so coming off the bench.

Why are some of you so scared of taking Channing out of the starting lineup. Lee is a better fit there and will help this team win more games right now. I don't understand the reason for not pulling Frye out of the starting lineup.
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11/2/2006  12:50 AM
uh, i actually didn't think frye was all that bad on D.

i thought he did a good job getting in position and not leaving his feet, avoiding fouls and causing the grizz to miss a handful of shots in close.

on offense he looked bad. had a few (i guess 2) nice post scores, but needs to take smarter J's and get a few to fall. but i don't think our guards gave him really any touches later in regulation to redeem himself. he worked hard for post position and setting picks and was not rewarded. same problem with curry in the post in OT. frye's O will come, we need the rest of the team to be ready to feed him when he gets going.

he needs to play better if this team is going to succeed. but we know his offense will be there, and i actually think this game showed me his D can get there too.

that said, definitely start lee.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 11-02-2006 12:50 AM]
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11/2/2006  1:08 AM
The problem with Frye is how he fits with the other starters. Or in this case how he doesn't fit.

If Frye is going to have an effect on a game it's going to be on the offensive end. It's very rare that he's going to be a difference maker on defense. So what is his role on offense?

Curry is taking up the post every time down the floor so Frye's post opportunities are going to be limited playing next to him.

Frye likes to stay on the perimeter but with Starbury, Franchise and Q out there with him Frye won't get many shots.

Frye just isn't a very good fit with this group of starters. Because Lee doesn't need the ball on offense and can be a difference maker on defense, he is the better option at PF for this starting unit.

Frye would be more of a focal point on offense coming off the bench.
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11/2/2006  4:59 AM
Posted by islesfan:

The problem with Frye is how he fits with the other starters. Or in this case how he doesn't fit.

If Frye is going to have an effect on a game it's going to be on the offensive end. It's very rare that he's going to be a difference maker on defense. So what is his role on offense?

Curry is taking up the post every time down the floor so Frye's post opportunities are going to be limited playing next to him.

Frye likes to stay on the perimeter but with Starbury, Franchise and Q out there with him Frye won't get many shots.

Frye just isn't a very good fit with this group of starters. Because Lee doesn't need the ball on offense and can be a difference maker on defense, he is the better option at PF for this starting unit.

Frye would be more of a focal point on offense coming off the bench.

You guys make a good point about Frye being left out with the chucking group of starters.

Like Masterplan wrote, guys are jumping on his D too much. He played decent D last night. He had a block and a steal plus several intimidation plays that caused guys to miss around the basket.

Warrick played well, but Frye had him under control at least. After Frye came out Warrick did whatever he wanted to.

I know guys like Lee, and I do too, but Lee's D was worse than Frye's, his one big block notwithstanding. He played just as bad until the fourth, then he turned his entire night around.

Some equity please.

Truth is I really don't care if Frye starts or not as long as he gets his touches. I also don't care if he sucks this bad for the rest of the season if the Knicks win!

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[Edited by - oohah on 02-11-2006 05:12 AM]
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11/2/2006  7:32 AM
dude... Warrick had 3 offensive boards againt Frye in the first 5 minutes. He just didnt do his scoring until the other guys cooled off some. Frye had no idea where Warrick was, and Warrick went by him at will. Not sure what you were watching but it was pretty bad. Did Frye have a couple of good possesions? Sure, but overall his D on Warrick deseves a D at best.

Bring him off the bench as the center where's he comfortable. He's great guarding slower guys. It was only a couple of possesions but he locked down Jake just fine
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11/2/2006  7:39 AM
dude... Warrick had 3 offensive boards againt Frye in the first 5 minutes. He just didnt do his scoring until the other guys cooled off some.


So the 3 offensive boards are charged to Frye, but there is no corrolary between Warrick heating up after he left? Frye had a bad game, I am not disputing that, but his D was okay.

This is the NBA. Any dude can wreck any other dude on a given night. Stars to scrubs. Not every time that Frye's man gets a board or scores does it mean that Frye is f!cking up. You know what I mean?

Warrick played well. Give him some credit too.

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11/2/2006  7:43 AM
I'd like to see Marbury and Frye do the pick and roll. Frye needs to get some open looks for his jumper.
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11/2/2006  8:04 AM
but it just enforces what I have been saying all preseason, that Frye is not a PF, and cant guard PFs. Also when Curry is the game Frye is forced to the perimeter. Just because he's got a good jumper doesnt mean thats all you want to see him taking.
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11/2/2006  8:25 AM
Posted by fishmike:

but it just enforces what I have been saying all preseason, that Frye is not a PF, and cant guard PFs. Also when Curry is the game Frye is forced to the perimeter. Just because he's got a good jumper doesnt mean thats all you want to see him taking.

Nor jack up any 3s. I agree though. Frye needs to come off the bench with Crawford where he'll be a good number 2 option and his defense wont suffer as much.

If Warrick was more of a scorer, Frye would have been fouled out immediately. He's way too quick for Frye.
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11/2/2006  8:44 AM
I agree. Frye was putrid last night. He needs to sit and Lee can start next to Curry. I also think, that if Francis continues playing like this, he's going to have to sit too. I don't think Frye is effective next to Curry and I don't think Francis is effective next to Marbury. Changes need to be made.
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11/2/2006  8:49 AM
He's got Sheldon Williams next, and thats goof matchup for Frye. SW is big and strong but doesnt have the quickness that spells doom for Frye
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11/2/2006  9:21 AM
The guards need to keep the big men in the game, they dominated the ball(particularly Crawford) after we built a big lead and then almost lost it.
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11/2/2006  9:21 AM
Totally agree with seeing Frye go to the bench. Every play he's moving his hands instead of his feet. I love his shooting touch and the nasty side that comes out on a occasional dunk attempt.

But we need to get off to a fast start and Lee is rolling. He's rolling and hasn't even displayed that new and improved J yet. This is no knock against Frye, but what I love about Lee is his hunger. He's boxing out, banging in traffic for loose boards and hustling for put-backs. That's just his nature and right now, he's the right fit.

22 and 12 for Warrick is toatlly unacceptable

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