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10/29/2006  9:21 PM
I'm lifting this from the Jalen Rose thread.

This is the current outlook for the Knicks cap. This is taken from Hoopshype plus I factored in the remaining years on Curry and Jeffries by adding 10% raises for each consecutive year that they are signed. Let me know if this doesn't line up with what people know about their contracts:


Player			2007/08		2008/09		2009/10		2010/11
Stephon Marbury		$20,109,375 	$21,937,500 	$0 		$0 			
Steve Francis		$16,440,000 	$17,180,000 	$0 		$0 			
Eddy Curry		$8,988,213 	$9,887,035 	$10,875,738 	$0 				
Quentin Richardson	$8,825,750 	$9,352,500 	$0 		$0 				
Jamal Crawford		$7,920,000 	$8,640,000 	$9,360,000 	$10,080,000 				
Malik Rose		$7,101,250 	$7,953,400 	$0      	$0 		 		
Jerome James		$5,800,000 	$6,200,000 	$6,600,000 	$0 				
Jared Jeffries		$5,736,500 	$6,310,150 	$6,941,165 	$7,635,282 				
Channing Frye		$2,487,240 	$3,163,769 	$4,264,760 	$0 				
Nate Robinson		$1,268,160 	$2,020,178 	$2,911,077 	$0 				
Renaldo Balkman		$1,234,800 	$1,320,960 	$2,036,920 	$2,918,906 				
David Lee		$990,600 	$1,788,033 	$2,682,049 	$0 				
Mardy Collins		$932,760 	$997,800 	$1,801,029 	$2,701,543 				
TOTALS:			$87,834,648 	$96,751,325 	$47,472,738  	$23,335,731


With the info presented, how would you plan the Knicks long-term strategy?

My solution would be to move Crawford. I think he's tradeable and we have enough guards. I like him, but if we can dump him -- we should. I would try and trade him to Denver for Najera and Hodge. If we can pull it off -- we'd be looking at serious cap room in 09/10.

Anyone care to take a shot at making a long-term plan?

(Re-edited to account Adjust Malik's numbers)

[Edited by - eViL on 10-30-2006 12:16 AM]
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10/29/2006  9:39 PM
that's incorrect. malik is under contract through 09/10.

target the summer of 2009 to get WAY under the cap. that would mean trading crawford, quentin and jerome. jerome will be impossible but there's a chance to move crawford and quentin for shorter deals. but malik complicates it.

the realistic scenario is to not pick up anymore contracts that extend past 09/10 and shoot for the summer of 2010.
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10/29/2006  9:46 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

that's incorrect. malik is under contract through 09/10.

Really??? Damn, that's terrible. So since Hoopshype doesn't have it up, is it fair to assume he was signed during the CBA where 12% raises were allowed?
Posted by djsunyc:

target the summer of 2009 to get WAY under the cap. that would mean trading crawford, quentin and jerome. jerome will be impossible but there's a chance to move crawford and quentin for shorter deals. but malik complicates it.

the realistic scenario is to not pick up anymore contracts that extend past 09/10 and shoot for the summer of 2010.

I agree with your realistic scenario. It's really the only scenario that I think has any chance of happening. Summer of '10 is the time to make a move. Only four more years
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10/29/2006  10:00 PM
this is what isiah inherited...


Player          2003/04      2004/05      2005/06      2006/07      2007/08
Allan Houston 	$15,937,500  $17,531,250  $19,125,000  $20,718,750  $0
Antonio McDyess $13,500,000  $0           $0           $0           $0
Keith Van Horn  $13,279,750  $14,487,000  $15,694,250  $0           $0
Shandon         $6,700,000   $7,300,000   $7,900,000   $8,500,000   $0
Charlie Ward    $6,030,000   $0           $0           $0           $0
Howard Eisley 	$5,843,750   $6,375,000   $6,906,250   $7,437,500   $0
Weatherspoon    $5,445,600   $5,899,400   $6,353,200   $0           $0
Kurt Thomas     $5,394,125   $5,884,500   $0           $0           $0
Travis Knight   $4,400,000   $0           $0           $0           $0
Othella         $2,925,000   $3,150,000   $0           $0           $0
Michael Doleac  $1,500,000   $1,500,000   $0           $0           $0
Mike Sweetney   $1,840,800   $1,978,920   $2,116,920   $2,696,956*  $3,654,375*
Maciej Lampe    $500,000     $500,000     $500,000*    $500,000*    $0
Frank Williams  $894,960     $957,480     $1,724,441   $2,533,174*  $0
Slavko Vranes   $366,931     $0           $0           $0           $0
Dikembe Mutumbo $4,500,000   $4,500,000   $0           $0           $0
TOTALS:         $88,558,416  $63,679,050  $64,095,620  $35,218,750  $0


clear to see that if he wanted to get mega under the cap, he could've used the summer of 2006 as a target.
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10/29/2006  10:03 PM
Damn, that was this summer... To think of the crop we could have picked from
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10/29/2006  10:03 PM
Thanks DJ. You just ruined my night.
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10/29/2006  10:06 PM
Player 2003/04 2004/05 2005/06 2006/07 2007/08
Allan Houston $15,937,500 $17,531,250 $19,125,000 $20,718,750 $0
Antonio McDyess $13,500,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Keith Van Horn $13,279,750 $14,487,000 $15,694,250 $0 $0
Shandon $6,700,000 $7,300,000 $7,900,000 $8,500,000 $0
Charlie Ward $6,030,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Howard Eisley $5,843,750 $6,375,000 $6,906,250 $7,437,500 $0
Weatherspoon $5,445,600 $5,899,400 $6,353,200 $0 $0
Kurt Thomas $5,394,125 $5,884,500 $0 $0 $0
Travis Knight $4,400,000 $0 $0 $0 $0
Othella $2,925,000 $3,150,000 $0 $0 $0
Michael Doleac $1,500,000 $1,500,000 $0 $0 $0
Mike Sweetney $1,840,800 $1,978,920 $2,116,920 $2,696,956* $3,654,375*
Maciej Lampe $500,000 $500,000 $500,000* $500,000* $0
Frank Williams $894,960 $957,480 $1,724,441 $2,533,174* $0
Slavko Vranes $366,931 $0 $0 $0 $0
Dikembe Mutumbo $4,500,000 $4,500,000 $0 $0 $0
TOTALS: $88,558,416 $63,679,050 $64,095,620 $35,218,750 $0

From this I probably would have let Ward, McDyess, Vranes, and Knight expire. You could have resigned McDyess for around the MLE instead of Vin.

I would still do the Crawford trade. Would have kept KVH-he was a worker. With the pick we gave up in the Marbury trade, Would have drafted Jameer at 14 with the pick we gave to Phx who gae it to Utah. Knowing what I know now, I would have sill drafted Ariza.

We would look like this:
Jameer
Crawford
KVH
McDyess or KT
Mutumbo...I won't go any farther than that because then you are talking about different picks an stuff like that.
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10/29/2006  10:07 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Thanks DJ. You just ruined my night.

it's called a plan and foresight.

isiah's plan was not to get under the cap. his plan was to use dolan's dollars to win right away. there was no rebuilding as he traded away 2 #1 picks in his first big deal. he didn't start acquiring picks (albeit lower than the ones he gave up) until midway through his 2nd season when his "win now" plan was badly failing.

the problem is that unless you have a franchise player, and even a top 10 nba player, there's no point adding salary. if you have a top player, then you must surround that guy to try to win. otherwise, you should keep flexibility open to find that franchise guy. only team without a top 5 player in the league win a title or even play in the finals were the pistons and they were built purely on defense.

so isiah's plan was doomed from the start. dolan hired layden, who just tried to stay afloat and then hired isiah. that's back to back bad gm's. that's going to take some time to fix.
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10/29/2006  10:13 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

so isiah's plan was doomed from the start. dolan hired layden, who just tried to stay afloat and then hired isiah. that's back to back bad gm's. that's going to take some time to fix.

Right, and as it stands now -- we are relying on a poor GM to suddenly develop the patience and the foresight to make the right moves for our future. Oh, and he's under an ultimatum to win now -- D'oh!!
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10/29/2006  10:14 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Thanks DJ. You just ruined my night.

it's called a plan and foresight.

isiah's plan was not to get under the cap. his plan was to use dolan's dollars to win right away. there was no rebuilding as he traded away 2 #1 picks in his first big deal. he didn't start acquiring picks (albeit lower than the ones he gave up) until midway through his 2nd season when his "win now" plan was badly failing.

the problem is that unless you have a franchise player, and even a top 10 nba player, there's no point adding salary. if you have a top player, then you must surround that guy to try to win. otherwise, you should keep flexibility open to find that franchise guy. only team without a top 5 player in the league win a title or even play in the finals were the pistons and they were built purely on defense.

so isiah's plan was doomed from the start. dolan hired layden, who just tried to stay afloat and then hired isiah. that's back to back bad gm's. that's going to take some time to fix.

Isiah built around the wrong guy. You would think that Isiah, as smart a player as he was, should have known that a retread like Stephon Marbury is not the right guy to build around.

When you posted the contracts that would have run out after this year earlier in the thread, I almost passed out. What could have been...
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10/29/2006  11:13 PM
I don't want to relive the layden years. All of his moves were retarded.

Isiah hasn't been perfect but he killed himself trying to hire a big name coach to be the face of the knicks. Though Lenny was ok he didn't work as hard trying to make the defense better as he did on offense. Brown was supposed to bring everything Lenny couldn't but that turned out to be the worst decision isiah ever made.

Still all that leads up to today. If you guys would relax you would see there was a plan. Isiah always said he wanted to upgrade the talent level, get younger, and win now. The brown season was a detour but I think the knicks are on the right track again.

As of today, isiah is doing, a good job so far being the leader. He just cut crazy cap, so that means that he is committing himself to this group. No secrets. Trades can still be made and they will be as time goes on. Moving forward with what we are seeing on the court to what it looks like for the future, I think the knicks will be alright.

I will say this though. Isiahs next big move will make or break him.
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10/29/2006  11:18 PM
Evil:

I dont think fans realize just how bad Isiah has screwed the contract situation.

We cant just trade QRich, James, etc for soon to be expiring salaries. The only chance of that happening would be to include Frye and probly Lee or Nate, which is self-defeating.

I like the "style" Isiah has implemented, but everything else smells of rotten garbage. Every good running team (Denver, Dallas, Pheonix) needs a good shotblocker. In fact NJ is really unique, but I wouldnt characterize them as a fast break team, considering their big men are on the slow side. Theyre a half court team that likes to break alot (doubt that makes any sense , but w/e).

We need a big man who can block shots.......period. I think if we got that, we could actually be the Nuggets of the East. The trade I suggested, which is fantasy, but still good, would help us alot -- a 3 way trade getting us essentially Dalembert for Curry.

Think about it:

Camby --- Dally
Nene --- Frye

Miller --- Crawford
Melo --- Francis

Evans --- Lee
KMart --- QRich + Jefferies

Boykins --- Nate

The comparisons arent PERFECT, but the point is made atleast I think. Both teams would be adept at the lob, good team rebounding, great fastbreak and sharing the ball, and a go-to-scorer with Melo and Francis.

After that I'd look into dealing Marbury for some cap space........whatever's out there.

Let the team grow together since theyre young.....then let the cap space fall off naturally so by 2009/10 we have millions to spend on a young team already with playoff potential.

That's the only sane way to do it IMO.
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10/29/2006  11:19 PM
Nene and Frye are about as different as you can possibly get at the PF position.
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10/29/2006  11:22 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Nene and Frye are about as different as you can possibly get at the PF position.

not really.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by crzymdups:

Nene and Frye are about as different as you can possibly get at the PF position.

not really.

yeah, really.
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10/29/2006  11:42 PM
Dalembert is not gonna change anything. Again Philly aint trading dalembert. Why would they? Especially to the knicks?

Shot blocking is overrated. Aside from that the knicks have the legs to compensate for that lack. If guys are communicating on defense you don't need a shotblocker. I believe that will come.

also the knicks have just signed cato and have Jerome James not to mention lee, frye, balkman, curry, Jared who all can get their share of deflections.

Getting just dalembert and deleting marbs is not gonna make the knicks a winner.
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10/29/2006  11:46 PM
Malik's contract expires next season:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
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10/29/2006  11:51 PM
Posted by Rich:

Malik's contract expires next season:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

According to RealGM, Maliks contract expires after the 08/09 season.
http://www3.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/2/

edit: link is bad but if you go there and select the Knicks, you'll see.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-29-2006 11:52 PM]
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10/29/2006  11:56 PM
Where does it say Malik Rose has four more years left on his contract, and who is spewing this? And why?
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10/29/2006  11:57 PM
DJ, hoopshype and RealGM disagree -- who is right?
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