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buddapaw
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10/29/2006  10:06 AM
You guys are always talking about Zeke not building towards the future and now you want to get rid of a great young player. For crying out loud the guys seasons ended on a knee injury last year so of course he going to look a little slow coming back from injury. Also it takes time for some players to develop, last pre-season it seemed like he was working on a few things and didn't shoot the ball much. This year he hasn't been getting the benefit of the doubt from the officials, he will be fine. So all you doom and gloomers chill da hell out and let the kid learn. It's not like we have the best big men coach coaching unlike Bynam in LA. so calm down and let the kid play.
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10/29/2006  10:25 AM
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10/29/2006  10:27 AM
Also, just wait till Jared Jeffries returns and everyone will see what a difference it makes in team defense. Jeffries will return by December 13th.
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10/29/2006  10:34 AM
You guys are always talking about Zeke not building towards the future and now you want to get rid of a great young player. For crying out loud the guys seasons ended on a knee injury last year so of course he going to look a little slow coming back from injury. Also it takes time for some players to develop, last pre-season it seemed like he was working on a few things and didn't shoot the ball much. This year he hasn't been getting the benefit of the doubt from the officials, he will be fine. So all you doom and gloomers chill da hell out and let the kid learn. It's not like we have the best big men coach coaching unlike Bynam in LA. so calm down and let the kid play.

That's what I'm sayin'

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10/29/2006  10:42 AM
I guess you dont actually read the threads... since your starting a new one let me brief you.

Frye is good, we all like him.
Frye is not a good defender at this point in his career.
Frye is an especially bad defender at the PF, which is not his natural position.
When Frye and Curry are together the defense and rebounding is bad... thus the "weak link" comments.
The suggestion is either move Frye to bench where he's got a better chance of success playing center and PF against opposing bench players.
Curry is a 30 minute a night guy. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Plenty of minutes for Frye off the bench.

OR

Trade him and back an equally good young player that better fits with Curry.

Kinda like the Mike Miller/Drew Gooden trade. It wasnt that the teams didnt like Miller/Gooden, just that the other player was a better fit.
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10/29/2006  10:45 AM
I don't think that anybody is untradeable but I don't think that Frye is a weak link. Especially on a team with Starbury and Stevie Franchise.

I do think that Frye has a limited ceiling and that he's not that far from it. But even then he can be a good player and an asset. He's never going to be a Franchise player or some go to guy night in and night out but he definitely has a role on this team and I think that he'd be unselfish enough to accept it.
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10/29/2006  10:54 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I guess you dont actually read the threads... since your starting a new one let me brief you.

Frye is good, we all like him.
Frye is not a good defender at this point in his career.
Frye is an especially bad defender at the PF, which is not his natural position.
When Frye and Curry are together the defense and rebounding is bad... thus the "weak link" comments.
The suggestion is either move Frye to bench where he's got a better chance of success playing center and PF against opposing bench players.
Curry is a 30 minute a night guy. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Plenty of minutes for Frye off the bench.

OR

Trade him and back an equally good young player that better fits with Curry.

Kinda like the Mike Miller/Drew Gooden trade. It wasnt that the teams didnt like Miller/Gooden, just that the other player was a better fit.



Fish you are proponent of building for the future correct? It is way too early to think about trading him, in essense giving up on him. The D will come he is a hard worker, he will be ok
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10/29/2006  11:05 AM
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by fishmike:

I guess you dont actually read the threads... since your starting a new one let me brief you.

Frye is good, we all like him.
Frye is not a good defender at this point in his career.
Frye is an especially bad defender at the PF, which is not his natural position.
When Frye and Curry are together the defense and rebounding is bad... thus the "weak link" comments.
The suggestion is either move Frye to bench where he's got a better chance of success playing center and PF against opposing bench players.
Curry is a 30 minute a night guy. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Plenty of minutes for Frye off the bench.

OR

Trade him and back an equally good young player that better fits with Curry.

Kinda like the Mike Miller/Drew Gooden trade. It wasnt that the teams didnt like Miller/Gooden, just that the other player was a better fit.



Fish you are proponent of building for the future correct? It is way too early to think about trading him, in essense giving up on him. The D will come he is a hard worker, he will be ok

no one is arguing with you that Frye will be OK, he probably will, but are he and Curry right for each other long term. The suggestion is that they are not.
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10/29/2006  11:06 AM
Buddapaw, nobody is giving up on him. What most of us think is that Frye doesn't do that well at PF b/c guys at that position are much quicker and more versataile. Frye is mainly a low post defender and is very much a mechanical player. Perfect for the center position. He's also NOT a shotblocker. He doesn't have the help instincts and he's not quite athletic enough.

But if we want to see the Knicks to get off to better starts, then either put Frye or Curry on the bench and make Lee the starter, oorrrrr, trade Frye or Curry for a shotblocker. This isn't a knock on Frye. This isn't giving up on him. This is doing what's best for the Knicks. Curry and Frye will never be a good defensive frontcourt.
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10/29/2006  11:06 AM
I started a trade thread with Frye because I was bored as hell on a saturday night. Nothing more. I love the kid. I can't forget how tough he played last year and how incredibly impressed with him I was. I haven't given up on him in the least. I think he can be exactly what we need. He'll probably never be quick, but i think he will learn to rebound and defend well. He's strong, hes definitely not soft, and he is a hard worker.
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10/29/2006  11:14 AM
Posted by martin:

no one is arguing with you that Frye will be OK, he probably will, but are he and Curry right for each other long term. The suggestion is that they are not.
Maybe he isn't but we should wait a few before we decide to trade him or call him the weak link. As a matter of fact IMO, calling someone the weak link says they wont be OK. I think Lee would be better next to Curry. I agree with you, fishmike, nyk4ever etc that Lee's rebounding and help D is a perfect compliment but we are speculating. I think the argument is we should wait and see. What if Frye works out? If he doesn't, bring him off the bench. Whatever is best for the team.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 10-29-2006 11:15 AM]
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10/29/2006  11:22 AM
......thats all it is preseason crap. and when the next trade dont work out some genius will remind us how chemistry is suppose to work
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10/29/2006  11:31 AM
lee can't guard upper tier PF's OR C's.

Snap out of it.
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10/29/2006  11:34 AM
Bring in a real big mans coach to work with Frye and Curry. Isiah is afraid of any competition so he doesnt want Oakley or Patrick brought in.
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10/29/2006  11:36 AM
no one is arguing with you that Frye will be OK, he probably will, but are he and Curry right for each other long term. The suggestion is that they are not.

Sounds like giving up to me.

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10/29/2006  11:38 AM
Same doods who preach patience ain't got none...

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10/29/2006  12:04 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Bring in a real big mans coach to work with Frye and Curry. Isiah is afraid of any competition so he doesnt want Oakley or Patrick brought in.

what makes you say that?
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10/29/2006  12:41 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by martin:

no one is arguing with you that Frye will be OK, he probably will, but are he and Curry right for each other long term. The suggestion is that they are not.
Maybe he isn't but we should wait a few before we decide to trade him or call him the weak link. As a matter of fact IMO, calling someone the weak link says they wont be OK. I think Lee would be better next to Curry. I agree with you, fishmike, nyk4ever etc that Lee's rebounding and help D is a perfect compliment but we are speculating. I think the argument is we should wait and see. What if Frye works out? If he doesn't, bring him off the bench. Whatever is best for the team.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 10-29-2006 11:15 AM]

If we were just gonna throw our top 5 players on the court to start, we'd suck. I would just like to see Isiah put Frye or Curry on the bench(preferably Curry because Frye has at least shown he is capable of working) in favor of Lee at PF until they prove they can do what they need to do.
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10/29/2006  12:45 PM
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If we were just gonna throw our top 5 players on the court to start, we'd suck. I would just like to see Isiah put Frye or Curry on the bench(preferably Curry because Frye has at least shown he is capable of working) in favor of Lee at PF until they prove they can do what they need to do.

Thats a good idea Joe. Making Eddy earn the keys to the starting lineup could be a good way to get him to start busting his ass and make him a better player. I doubt Curry has ever had to work for anything, he was handed a ton of money at a young age and didn't even have to work in highschool because of his size. Lets make him work for something and see if it doesn't make him a better player and player that works hard all the time.
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10/29/2006  12:51 PM
Everyone is basing these assumptions on the preseason which Frye sucked at last year too. Curry and Frye hardly had a chance to play together because of you know who. He probably be further along if he got what he deserved. He was the best PF in NY last year but was not treated like it. He is about to start his second year and if you think we should trade him that means that you gave up on him you can't have it both ways , it's one way or the other. So you say he is good but not good for the team so let's trade him. He probably be ROY if it wasn't for CP and LB he was that good. So stop talking out both sides of your mouths and manup trading Frye is giving up on him.
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