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EnySpree
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10/24/2006  11:16 PM
I know 4-1 don't mean nothing in exibition play but it sure meant a lot the other day when Boston blew the knicks out.

So which is it?

We should have more to cheer about than complain
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10/24/2006  11:24 PM
This just in:
David Stern stood amid a swarm of reporters, cameras clicking, explaining why he decided to pull the trigger on what might be his most controversial move as NBA commissioner. "We're canceling the season." Stern spoke, "The Knicks have just gone 4-1 and we have determined that the regular season and playoffs will not be necessary this year. Why risk injury when the Knicks have just proven their dominance?" He concluded, "The New York Knicks are your NBA Champions for the '06-'07 season. See you at the draft."

[Edited by - eViL on 10-24-2006 11:25 PM]
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10/24/2006  11:25 PM
yeah, but after 4 years of negativity...positivity is met by "lets see if they can do this consistently.....in the regular season"

regardless, i love how nice the offense is being run so far, theres no real facilitator with this offense,everyone as to play point guard on the plays they run

my only concern is defense,although the effort is increasing, i still see too much of the other team penetrating and guys still sometimes get lazy and stop contsting shots...other than that...ive loved what ive seen so far, and hopefully iy translates into a fine year
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10/24/2006  11:32 PM

You know there were about 50 threads that started after the Boston game that no one saw...Everyone had an opinion..."I didn't see the game BUT"...An hour after the Knick-Philly game just two new threads..Maybe the haters were at the game and are not back yet to log their displeasures....
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10/24/2006  11:36 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I know 4-1 don't mean nothing in exibition play but it sure meant a lot the other day when Boston blew the knicks out.

So which is it?

We should have more to cheer about than complain

i think we found a team worse than us in philly...but they didn't have iverson. the only team we have faced with their best player is that celtics team.

this is what i took from today's game...philly is god AWFUL. some of the worst defense i've ever seen in a team. open 3's all night for us. to our credit, we hit them all. francis played free b/c he didn't have to worry about stepping on marbury's toes. our guards are our strength but frye and curry are plain DISGUSTING on the defensive end. when the regular season rolls around it's going to be a major problem. that did not change tonight. and the guards made a concerted effort to get curry the ball ALOT but he still keeps bringing the ball down and still takes forever to get going into his moves. that has to be frustrating and hence the "booos" from the crowd. frye is the worst defensive big man i have seen on the knicks in a long time and his confidence is completely shot. again, our 2nd unit of nate, jamal, balkman, quentin, and lee change the pace of the game. the overall concerns are still the same and still the reason we are not going to win - frontcourt defense.
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10/24/2006  11:43 PM
I'm sorry I complain when our guys roll belly up and die.
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10/24/2006  11:47 PM
Played Philly 2 this pre-season without the same 2 key players A.I. and Dalembert and beat them. Honestly how many Knick fans think that a healthy Philly team will fair better than the Knicks? Probably not too many. Kevin Ollie was slicing through the defense like a hot knife through butter though. Philly had so many uncontested in the lane drives it was comical, some of which they didn't convert. The second unit really is what won this game once again. I'm not impressed with this team whatsoever.

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10/24/2006  11:47 PM
Both Frye and Curry worry me because without both of them becoming legit big men we have no chance. we wont win 45 games having our guards take 40 outside shots with little post production. I figure our whole future is tied up In curry and Frye and I'm not happy with what I'm seeing. All summer (actually for over a year) I have said over and over again we need a real big mans coach to work with them on rebounding and shot blocking. Isiah refuses to bring one in possibly because of his friendship to Mark aguire. Thats a huge mistake. They need legit 1 on 1 coaching from a real big man. Not a 6 foot 5 sf who was never known for rebounding or blocked shots.
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10/24/2006  11:50 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I'm sorry I complain when our guys roll belly up and die.

Who do you think you are BlueSeats? What gives you the right to be angry when players on your favorite basketball team show no effort, especially after many losing seasons. What gives you that right huh?!
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10/24/2006  11:54 PM
4 good games vs. 1 bad game. 80% of the evidence points towards the Knicks being a much improved team.

Some people can only see half of an argument...others only see 20% of it.

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[Edited by - oohah on 24-10-2006 11:56 PM]
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10/24/2006  11:55 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by BlueSeats:

I'm sorry I complain when our guys roll belly up and die.

Who do you think you are BlueSeats? What gives you the right to be angry when players on your favorite basketball team show no effort, especially after many losing seasons. What gives you that right huh?!


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10/25/2006  12:10 AM
4 good games against teams playing without their best player, including 3 times without another of their best players.

1 bad game against a team playing at full strength, the way most teams play in the regular season.

Some people just see what they want to see regardless of the facts.

Not that I'm making a big deal about preseason.
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10/25/2006  12:23 AM
I'm trying to look forward and looking forward the knicks are looking like a team. The offense is completely revamped. Being a fan since Bernard king was a knick, I have never seen a knick team play like this. Maybe you older guys have back in the championship days but I personally have never seen it unless you count classic sports reruns.

Its not perfect and the knicks are not a finished product, but it sure looks like the knicks can bounce back this year.

Knicks need a shot blocker? You are right, but you are wrong if you think there is one available that will change the game or make the knicks unstoppable. Don't cry about the draft or the salary cap. How old is that? Going forward how do we improve?

Pass first point guard? If you still saying that then you are another numb nut. Isiahs offense doesn't require a Steve Nash, kidd, or Marcus to find everyone shots.

And wake up! The knicks don't play like pheonix! If anything they play a lot closer to Dallas or sactown now. Neither team really needs the point guard to dominate the game with the pass to win.
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10/25/2006  12:35 AM
Can we please wait until the games actually count, teams play at full strength and are playing to win?

As good as you think the offense looks right now, the defense is worse.
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10/25/2006  12:48 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Can we please wait until the games actually count, teams play at full strength and are playing to win?

As good as you think the offense looks right now, the defense is worse.

That goes both ways.
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10/25/2006  12:52 AM
Yeah, but pre-season is meaningless because the games don't count and teams don't really try to win...

or is it that it means everything because it is an indication of what we should expect in the regular season?

I guess claiming one or the other depends upon your perspective and agenda. But surely if you say one or the other, one seems to be leaning towards a black and white view of things.

[Edited by - PresIke on 10-25-2006 12:53 AM]
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10/25/2006  12:55 AM
wins and losses don't mean jack.

but player development is exactly what preseason is for. to see who got better and to find out the strength and flaws of the team after a summer of exercise and development.

what have we learned from this team so far?

the defense is AWFUL, especially from frye and curry. the guards can score but are they good enough to win in the regular season when things get tougher? that remains to be seen but i think they peak at 35 wins barring injury or trade.
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10/25/2006  1:03 AM
Posted by PresIke:

Yeah, but pre-season is meaningless because the games don't count and teams don't really try to win...

or is it that it means everything because it is an indication of what we should expect in the regular season?

I guess claiming one or the other depends upon your perspective and agenda. But surely if you say one or the other, one seems to be leaning towards a black and white view of things.

[Edited by - PresIke on 10-25-2006 12:53 AM]

In terms of wins and losses preseason games are completely meaningless regardless of perspective and agenda.

It's only meaningful in terms of preparing for the season and seeing how guys are playing and how they look as a team.
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10/25/2006  3:05 AM
So aside from the Boston game the knicks look pretty good. At the most I think I'm allowed to say they got better right?

How bout new jersey? They got smacked around in pre-season so far. Not a bad word to say about them in the world of amercan media?

I agree the defense still sucks but there has been change in what's happening out there. I didn't see the Boston blow out but I saw all the rest that were televised.

I want to ask. Is the fact the knicks are letting teams score 100 the reason people are still trashing the defense? I mean the knicks are not a shot blocking team but they were at least making their men work. A lot of the offense of the knicks comes from their defense if you noticed.
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10/25/2006  3:12 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

So aside from the Boston game the knicks look pretty good. At the most I think I'm allowed to say they got better right?

How bout new jersey? They got smacked around in pre-season so far. Not a bad word to say about them in the world of amercan media?

I agree the defense still sucks but there has been change in what's happening out there. I didn't see the Boston blow out but I saw all the rest that were televised.

I want to ask. Is the fact the knicks are letting teams score 100 the reason people are still trashing the defense? I mean the knicks are not a shot blocking team but they were at least making their men work. A lot of the offense of the knicks comes from their defense if you noticed.

The way I see it Eny, pre-season are virtually meaningless. The way the players play and will be played is totally different from the regular season. However, it is quite amusing to see people make such a big deal out of one bad performance then ignore the four good ones. If one is going to put stock in pre-season performances, then the outlook is good. It is probably a better idea to not give much weight either way until the games that count.

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