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Elite
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10/22/2006  11:52 AM
Now i know its just preseason... But hear me out.

I don't want to hear one person say "oh we lost now that we played a team with all their players".

This game had absolutely nothing to do with the boston celtics. NOTHING

We could have been playing a high school team out there, seriously - it was bad.

Now i drove all the way from the border of NY to see this game and maybe do some gambling afterwords... Im broke too so i came out of pocket for this trip big time.. Man i was dissapointed.

Being there in person i really got to see what was going on, The celtics were playing at a normal pace, we were just out there unmotivated and lazy. I think lazy is the best word to describe our team last night. yea lazy will do.

There was one 3 minute stretch at the begining of the 4th quarter where we started playing good (already down 40) what was the difference? we were RUNNING.. the bodies out there were moving.. energy was being exherted. Thru most of the game, people were just standing around, jogging not running on either side of the floor - I think i realised that the only way for this team to be succesful is for us to be RUNNING at all times, MOVING and hustling. Thats all their is to it. Last night our guys just diddnt want to run.

Lee and Balkman of course were doing their part, Balk had some CRAZY dunks... I diddnt see Jerome or Steve at the game at all not even on the bench i dunno what was up with that....

I guess the main thing that worried me was - seeing what i saw, Isiah just sat there on the bench the WHOLE TIME... talking calmy to a player once in a while, but he really needed to be standing on the sideline like doc encouraging his players.. i honestly think all they needed to hear was "alight guys come on run! move out there! put some energy into it, move move move!!!"

Anyways, its only preseason, but we took the night off, BIG TIME..... this game had nothing to do with the celtics, seriously... Actually if we were playing a good team we would have lost by 60... Oh and Delante West is the truth.. that guy is awesome.

Hope we pick it up vs philli!
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10/22/2006  12:07 PM
I saw the game and the assessment is pretty accurate...Our vets aren't going all out right now for whatever reason...Marbs is not involved at the moment not wanting to dominate the ball. At some point he has to find a medium...It's preseason, so guys who don't usually get burn is getting an opportunity and the Celts remember us beating them earlier this week...It wasn't pretty but I won't get too worked up about it...I'm not going crazy about the three victories and not going nuts about this lost...I want this season to start so the team and it players can start playing their roles..It's going to take some time to gel....I'll really start assessing what we have in Feb...But last night certainly wasn't pretty...Reminded me of the games late last year....



[Edited by - holfresh on 10-22-2006 12:09 PM]
Elite
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10/22/2006  12:18 PM
PS on the positive side Channing is getting a lot better on the boards.. he jumps up for the ball like hes got something to proove (12 boards) I think that might be his biggest improvement from last year from what i could see
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10/22/2006  12:19 PM
From your descripton it sounds like Isiah and Co. didn't really care if they won this particular game.
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10/22/2006  12:20 PM
Bring in Doug Collins if we dont go 9-1 in our first 10 games. :)
Just kidding. But if we start off horribly in the first 30 games its time to make a move.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/22/2006  12:25 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Bring in Doug Collins if we dont go 9-1 in our first 10 games. :)
Just kidding. But if we start off horribly in the first 30 games its time to make a move.

Chicago started horribly last year but turned it around and now they have an identity...How can anyone assess anything in 30 games?...It's a new offense, it will take time to gel...Setting a number at this point is short sighted at best...
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10/22/2006  1:01 PM
Delanto West is the TRUTH...which is why I'm confused that they brought in Telfair and drafted Rhondo.
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10/22/2006  1:11 PM
Delanto West is the TRUTH...which is why I'm confused that they brought in Telfair and drafted Rhondo.

Not to change the topic, but I was wondering the same thing. West is not a great distributor, but be plays great defense and does not turn the ball over that much. I thought he was a servicable PG last year. To trade ultimately Brandon Roy for Telfair to me was a mistake. Roy seems to have alot of all-around skill that Tony Allen does not possess. I would rather have West/Rhondo and Roy.


Elite thanks for the in-person review of the game. I watched the game on TV, but I know it is always a little different when you watch it live and in person. I read another qoute where IT said he threw the scrubs out there in the 1st quarter to see if they could play with the Celtic's starters and in doing so, he admitted that he screwed up the team flow. So, I will chaulk the loss up to it just being the preseason. However, the turnovers were inexcusable because they were due to lazy and unfocused passing, which should never happen regardless of whether it is preseason or not.

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10/22/2006  2:14 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Bring in Doug Collins if we dont go 9-1 in our first 10 games. :)
Just kidding. But if we start off horribly in the first 30 games its time to make a move.

Chicago started horribly last year but turned it around and now they have an identity...How can anyone assess anything in 30 games?...It's a new offense, it will take time to gel...Setting a number at this point is short sighted at best...


It's not 30 games. It's 3 years.
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10/22/2006  2:40 PM
i would like to read some post game quotes from isiah on this game does anyone have any
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10/22/2006  4:17 PM
knicks.com has them and they all say things that sound like at the 7 minute mark, the game was over. right about the time he subbed 3 end of the bench players into the game.

I think everyone gambled the night before and just had nothing left.
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10/22/2006  4:18 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

From your descripton it sounds like Isiah and Co. didn't really care if they won this particular game.


I think it's fine to put guys in who could jeopardize your chances in order to give them a look. That's what pre-season is about. But it's another thing if Isiah isn't coaching hard or veterans aren't playing hard in their time on the court. One always has to coach and play to win. Even when you're tanking a season for the lottery you still coach your butt off and demand 100% from your players - you simply sit the guys (usually stars and veterans) who give you your best chance to win.

I think the "savings themselves" attitude of some of these guys is a bad sign, and emblematic of our problems over the last few years (apathy, out of condition, mental weakness, inability to overcome adversity, home opener blowouts, 74 point halfs for the opposition, etc.)

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-22-2006 4:20 PM]
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10/22/2006  4:28 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by BasketballJones:

From your descripton it sounds like Isiah and Co. didn't really care if they won this particular game.


I think it's fine to put guys in who could jeopardize your chances in order to give them a look. That's what pre-season is about. But it's another thing if Isiah isn't coaching hard or veterans aren't playing hard in their time on the court. One always has to coach and play to win. Even when you're tanking a season for the lottery you still coach your butt off and demand 100% from your players - you simply sit the guys (usually stars and veterans) who give you your best chance to win.

I think the "savings themselves" attitude of some of these guys is a bad sign, and emblematic of our problems over the last few years (apathy, out of condition, mental weakness, inability to overcome adversity, home opener blowouts, 74 point halfs for the opposition, etc.)

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-22-2006 4:20 PM]


NY POST
Yes, they're only exhibition games. But Thomas is trying to break a bad Knick habit called losing.

"I say it to our players every day, from Vince Lombardi," Thomas said. "Winning is not a sometimes thing. It's an all-the-time thing. Don't do something right once in a while. Do it all the time. Winning is a habit. So is losing."

Last Saturday in Philly, after a victory over the Sixers, the Knicks' locker room was filled with laughter and rap music. It was as joyous in that room as it had ever been in Larry Brown's locker room during their 23-59 disgrace.

Thomas liked the joviality.

"Celebrate the wins," Thomas said. "It's hard to win a basketball game. You win a game, celebrate. It's important the team feels good about winning and everyone has a contribution."


"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
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10/22/2006  4:30 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:


I think it's fine to put guys in who could jeopardize your chances in order to give them a look. That's what pre-season is about. But it's another thing if Isiah isn't coaching hard or veterans aren't playing hard in their time on the court.

EXACTLY... and unfortunately... the knicks just diddnt give a **** out there
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10/22/2006  4:37 PM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by BlueSeats:


I think it's fine to put guys in who could jeopardize your chances in order to give them a look. That's what pre-season is about. But it's another thing if Isiah isn't coaching hard or veterans aren't playing hard in their time on the court.

EXACTLY... and unfortunately... the knicks just diddnt give a **** out there

It was a game until Isiah put in Miller/Clark/Collins at the end of the first quarter. Isiah said after the game that he wanted to see what those guys could do aganist a legit NBA lineup. Obviously, not much. By the time the starters came back in, mid-second Quarter, they were down by I believe 15 or so. The flow and momentum were gone on the knicks side and confidence swirled for the young Celts.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 10-22-2006 4:37 PM]
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
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10/22/2006  4:40 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by BlueSeats:


I think it's fine to put guys in who could jeopardize your chances in order to give them a look. That's what pre-season is about. But it's another thing if Isiah isn't coaching hard or veterans aren't playing hard in their time on the court.

EXACTLY... and unfortunately... the knicks just diddnt give a **** out there

It was a game until Isiah put in Miller/Clark/Collins at the end of the first quarter. Isiah said after the game that he wanted to see what those guys could do aganist a legit NBA lineup. Obviously, not much. By the time the starters came back in, mid-second Quarter, they were down by I believe 15 or so. The flow and momentum were gone on the knicks side and confidence swirled for the young Celts.

that 15 points ballooned to 30+ points when the main guys started the 2nd half.
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10/22/2006  4:41 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by BlueSeats:


I think it's fine to put guys in who could jeopardize your chances in order to give them a look. That's what pre-season is about. But it's another thing if Isiah isn't coaching hard or veterans aren't playing hard in their time on the court.

EXACTLY... and unfortunately... the knicks just diddnt give a **** out there

It was a game until Isiah put in Miller/Clark/Collins at the end of the first quarter. Isiah said after the game that he wanted to see what those guys could do aganist a legit NBA lineup. Obviously, not much. By the time the starters came back in, mid-second Quarter, they were down by I believe 15 or so. The flow and momentum were gone on the knicks side and confidence swirled for the young Celts.


What is your point in posting that? That it's understandable that the team will surrender if they're down 15 in the 2nd?
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10/22/2006  4:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by BlueSeats:


I think it's fine to put guys in who could jeopardize your chances in order to give them a look. That's what pre-season is about. But it's another thing if Isiah isn't coaching hard or veterans aren't playing hard in their time on the court.

EXACTLY... and unfortunately... the knicks just diddnt give a **** out there

It was a game until Isiah put in Miller/Clark/Collins at the end of the first quarter. Isiah said after the game that he wanted to see what those guys could do aganist a legit NBA lineup. Obviously, not much. By the time the starters came back in, mid-second Quarter, they were down by I believe 15 or so. The flow and momentum were gone on the knicks side and confidence swirled for the young Celts.

that 15 points ballooned to 30+ points when the main guys started the 2nd half.


was jalen among the main guys that oversaw that lead balloon from 15 to 30? cuase so far he's been playing like marbury was last season. that is he isnt playing defense or offense.
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10/22/2006  4:44 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by BlueSeats:


I think it's fine to put guys in who could jeopardize your chances in order to give them a look. That's what pre-season is about. But it's another thing if Isiah isn't coaching hard or veterans aren't playing hard in their time on the court.

EXACTLY... and unfortunately... the knicks just diddnt give a **** out there

It was a game until Isiah put in Miller/Clark/Collins at the end of the first quarter. Isiah said after the game that he wanted to see what those guys could do aganist a legit NBA lineup. Obviously, not much. By the time the starters came back in, mid-second Quarter, they were down by I believe 15 or so. The flow and momentum were gone on the knicks side and confidence swirled for the young Celts.

that 15 points ballooned to 30+ points when the main guys started the 2nd half.


was jalen among the main guys that oversaw that lead balloon from 15 to 30? cuase so far he's been playing like marbury was last season. that is he isnt playing defense or offense.

i don't know but jalen only played 10 mins last night, took 1 shot and committed 1 turnover.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-22-2006 4:45 PM]
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10/22/2006  4:52 PM
Jalen diddnt play after the first quarter... The culprets in the lazy crap of the 2nd and 3rd quarters were Curry, Stephon, Q, and Frye
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