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Elite
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10/18/2006  10:53 AM
Just hypothetical... Let me give you the reasons:

#1: Both Curry and Frye are Post players, I would like to run the offense through both of them, but you cant really at the same time.. Not enough basketballs.

#2: Lee will bring the energy/hustle right off the bat and start the game with energy.

#3: Lee compliments Curry with his inside passing/rebounding/Hustle

#4: Channing Frye can play backup Center, Lee cant really... When channing comes in for Curry, you still have a post option.

Just and idea... Thoughts?
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10/18/2006  10:56 AM
ive been saying it for awhile.

Curry/Frye are a great combo on offense. I think they are a nightmare on D. I'm not convinced Frye is a starting 4 in this league, I think his feet are too slow. I like the idea of having 2 forwards that scrap, defend, hustle, rebound, etc around Curry and a couple of scorers in the backcourt.

Thats just me... bring Frye/Crawford in the 2nd unit. There will be PLENTY of minutes there
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10/18/2006  11:10 AM
Elite, welcome to the minority. It's not a knock on Frye either. It's just what the better lineups are. Frye would be great with Crawford, Nate, and Q/ Jefferies off the bench.

Another thing is that Curry and Frye both being in the starting lineup is foulmania. Bring one off the bench, and at least it's only one in foul trouble instead of both and you can work with one at least.
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10/18/2006  11:10 AM
I think chemistry wise that Curry/Lee/JClutch is the best way to go
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/18/2006  11:16 AM
Frye should not be a 4 period, he has no athleticism and is going to get killed and in Early foul trouble, he should be either the starting or packup center its very simple not sure why Isiah Can't see that.....

Curry/Frye
Lee/
JJ/Balkman
Q/Francis
Marbury/Craw

Nate get occasional minutes

should be the starting lineup with Frye, Crawford Balkman, Francis in that order coming off the bench
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10/18/2006  11:20 AM
Alternatively, start Frye @ center w/ Lee @ PF. Let Curry come off the bench.
My reasoning is that Frye scores best within the flow of an offense. He doesn't force the issue - his game is seamless in team action.

My opinion is that Curry is a black hole -- not only does time stop when he touches the ball, it never comes back out. Think along the lines of a Chris Gatling, perennial 6th man of the year candidate. Curry's young enough to learn and improve, but I think this is where he is mentally.

Now... I think the best solution is Frye/Curry starting together, with Lee as first big man off the bench. It allows you to inject skilled energy into the lineup in the event either big man gets in foul trouble--- or if another team's big men are killing us.
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10/18/2006  11:26 AM
Curry has to start, plain and simple. He's the franchise center we mortaged our entire future on, he's not coming off the bench. Also, Curry puts pressure on opposing frontcourts. He draws tons of fouls and creates early mismatches.

So long as they are both here Curry and Marbury are starters. Its not debateable.
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10/18/2006  12:30 PM
i say leave things as is. i would consider looking at a young athletic SF who I could swap Mardy Collins for to compensate time there is Jalen cant do it[of course he must be given a serious chance] but if there is one thing we can improive on from last year is chemistry. Guys can always play more minutes if they are hot coming off the bench

i think we need to play 10 deep i think that is a strength--you can see that and you want to play to your strength.
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10/18/2006  12:36 PM
I'm slowly coming around purely based on the last 2 games.
We're almost assured that curry will be in foul trouble on more than a few occassions and bringing frye off the bench for Curry is keeping the balance out there.

There are times when Lee is over matched at the 4, so that's an issue as well, but in all honesty...

I'd prefer we start JJ2 at the 4 over Lee.

If frye starts and plays more like Summer League and the first preseason game, then he should start, but the last two games are cause for concern.
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10/18/2006  12:57 PM
I've been saying this forever and everytime I did, I got ripped a new one by nearly everyone. Lee's rebounding and hustle are absolutely necessary at the 4 in the the Knicks starting lineup. Also, Frye would be better served playing with the 2nd unit becuase in the first unit, Curry, Marbury, Francis are going to be taking all the shots and Frye will be rendered useless. Let Lee start, rebound the ball, make some hustle plays and let Frye play in the 2nd unit where he can abuse other backups and be the main option on offense. He'll get the same minutes either way, but both players fit better this way.

Funny to see all the people who whole-heartedly disagree with me now turning around.

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10/18/2006  1:03 PM
not fully turned around, I am going solely on his last two preseason games.

I still believe he should start, but if lee or jj2 started and frye came off the bench, I'm down with that.

I believe the best starting lineup for the knicks is:
Curry, frye, JJ2, Crawford, Marbury
will probably be
curry, frye, jj2, franchise, marbury

and I'm ok with that.

Frye may have just had two bad games, he still put the ball in the bucket and stretches the defense.

Lee is still limited on the offensive end, and frye is more of an intimidator.

I'm in a good mood today, and am in agreement with a bunch of my nemisis (or is is nemisi?), but don't go breaking your arm patting yourself on the back.

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10/18/2006  1:11 PM
posted in another thread, but applies to this discussion:

:Originally posted by SugarRayRichardson:
I think the best 3 player combo on the team chemistry wise is JCraw. Lee and Curry. I think those 3 should start. Thats hard for me to say because I'm a frye fan. But those 3 should start. Fill in who plays PG and SF

agreed... i'd pair those guys along w/Balkman & Nate as well in a dynamic 2nd unit (Curry will start though, but just for argument's sake)... i like the synergy between Craw & Curry, & Lee is a good defensive rebounder that can also run the floor well, so along w/Balkman & Nate you have a very energetic uptempo rotation there.

Marbury, Q & Frye seem to work well together as their games are well suited for a halfcourt style... Marbury can penetrate & dish out to those guys on the perimeter, or Q Rich can post up downlow when he's guarded by smaller G's & Marbury can patrol the perimeter... still not convinced at all that Marbury & Francis can work well together tho, as their games seem very redundant, but 1 thing's for sure is that you'll need Jared Jefferies back to make that work since neither Marbury or Francis are good perimeter defenders.
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10/18/2006  1:16 PM
I was thinking, Start Lee over Curry.

But that was before Frye picked up 3 fouls in a row and fouled out of two preseason games.

depending on the matchups, there are a multitude of starter/bench combinations zeke can go to, but in the interest of roles over the long haul of the season, it looks like:
curry, frye, jj2/qrich, francis/crawford, marbury.

I'm also skeptical on the francis marbury back court...while it may work, the smarter teams will bury that combination eventually and francis will move to the bench and crawford will be starting.

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10/18/2006  1:21 PM
here's what i think Isiah will go with:

starting 5:

C - Curry
PF - Frye
SF - Q Rich
SG - Francis
PG - Marbury

Bench:

6 - Crawford
7 - Lee
8 - Nate
9 - Balkman

10 - Jalen
11 - Malik
12 - Big Turd
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10/18/2006  1:33 PM
and when JJ2 comes back we move ?????? to the bench?

I have an opinion, but it involved francis moving to the bench and QRich moving to the 2.
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10/18/2006  1:34 PM
but my schizophrenia leads me to send QRich to the bench (along with Francis) and move crawford to the point and marbs to the 2 and jj2 at the 3.
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10/18/2006  2:05 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

and when JJ2 comes back we move ?????? to the bench?

I have an opinion, but it involved francis moving to the bench and QRich moving to the 2.


i agree that's my ideal situation, but Francis is here to stay until we can trade him, & he's not going to ride pine unless he simply stinks it up major this season... Q Rich will likely be the odd man out once JJ comes back unfortunately.
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10/18/2006  2:09 PM
I think zeke (and to some effect LB) have killed the notion that starting means anything more than finishing.

Even the pistons had different finishers than starters during Zeke's tenure there (vinnie microwave johnson).
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10/18/2006  2:32 PM
Q rich is our BEST small dwd right now. Even though I say that when Jared comes back you gotta start him over Q. Q should still get big minutes regardless. The guy is straight up ballin.

As far as lee? The dude is our best forward. Period. Again I like frye starting cuz lee uses up too much energy. Lee should come off the bench so he can take the legs right from under the opposing team and run them into the ****ing ground.

After saying that, the knicks bench is gonna be the knicks strong point. Balkman, Q, lee, and craw should all be starting but the are more deadly coming off the bench cuz like I said they can just eat up the legs of the opposing team.

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10/18/2006  2:40 PM
who do u take out of the rotation when JJ comes back though other than Q? Francis would be the ideal pick but you know Isiah's not gonna sit him on the bench for the whole year & not play him.
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