Posted by SeatsBlue:

You have to respect the comments and his mental approach to this season vs last season.

Nowhere in his comments did you hear "Larry Brown was a distracted man and couldn't coach the team effectively", "too many lineups to produce", "I was injured", "the media was too much of a distraction", I had too many personal problems, "the offense didn't cater to my style of play", "Shoebury's shoe campaign came a season too late", yada yada.

He just man'd up and pretty much stated he succked balls last yr and this yr he plans on playing differently. Very Captain like thing to do is take things like a man.

Posted by Bippity10:

I agree. Enough excuses. Q could very easily blame LB or his back or his brother's death for his lack of performances. But he instead blames himself. He holds himself accountable. Most self-motivated players do. He still has to do it on the court and does not receive a pass until he does(just like marbs), but it is nice to have a player that "gets it".

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Bippity10:

I agree. Enough excuses. Q could very easily blame LB or his back or his brother's death for his lack of performances. But he instead blames himself. He holds himself accountable. Most self-motivated players do. He still has to do it on the court and does not receive a pass until he does(just like marbs), but it is nice to have a player that "gets it".

Theres a OUTSTANDING quote from Sean Connery from the Rock. I think I've said it before but it just fits this Knicks team so well.

"Losers always whine about doing their best.. winners go home and **** the prom-queen."

This team is 90% losers.

Love that line

Posted by SeatsBlue:

You have to respect the comments and his mental approach to this season vs last season.

Nowhere in his comments did you hear "Larry Brown was a distracted man and couldn't coach the team effectively", "too many lineups to produce", "I was injured", "the media was too much of a distraction", "I had too many personal problems", "the offense didn't cater to my style of play", "Shoebury's shoe campaign came a season too late", yada yada.

He just man'd up and pretty much stated, he succked balls last yr and this yr he plans on playing differently. Very Captain like thing to do is take things like a man.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-11-2006 2:49 PM]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by nixluva:

QRich could never blame LB. He got special treatment from LB and never actually produced at a rate that should've kept him in the starting lineup. He eventually improved his D, but still gave up more than he scored on the regular. All those bricks he shot killed us when we needed a threat at SG. I'm not against Q, but to say that he didn't use LB as an excuse only makes sense. He just flat out stunk on offense and who can you blame when you're missing wide open shots? At first he also stunk on D and that left Steph to cover SG's but eventually Q started to pick up his D and that was good to see.

I hope he has a bounce back year and I generally like his team 1st attitude. With the return of his offense, he is now a much more complete player. He rebounds, Defends and should be a competent scorer, so that only makes the team stronger.

I got a question for you guys. If so many players sucked last year, who the hell was supposed to play? Your saying Q got special treatment, your saying Malik, AD, MoT got special treatment. Marbury got injured as did Frye and Jalen. Jerome and Eddy were out of shape and not prepared to play NBA basketball as well.

Also, whose to say that Isiah didn't tell Brown to play Q since he traded for him last summer! As I recall he gave up a very popular Knick in Kurt Thomas and I'm sure Isiah did NOT want to look badly in trading KT for a player with a bad back.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by nykshaknbake:


So now its Isiah's fault that Brown did such a ****ty job.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by nixluva:

QRich could never blame LB. He got special treatment from LB and never actually produced at a rate that should've kept him in the starting lineup. He eventually improved his D, but still gave up more than he scored on the regular. All those bricks he shot killed us when we needed a threat at SG. I'm not against Q, but to say that he didn't use LB as an excuse only makes sense. He just flat out stunk on offense and who can you blame when you're missing wide open shots? At first he also stunk on D and that left Steph to cover SG's but eventually Q started to pick up his D and that was good to see.

I hope he has a bounce back year and I generally like his team 1st attitude. With the return of his offense, he is now a much more complete player. He rebounds, Defends and should be a competent scorer, so that only makes the team stronger.

I got a question for you guys. If so many players sucked last year, who the hell was supposed to play? Your saying Q got special treatment, your saying Malik, AD, MoT got special treatment. Marbury got injured as did Frye and Jalen. Jerome and Eddy were out of shape and not prepared to play NBA basketball as well.

Also, whose to say that Isiah didn't tell Brown to play Q since he traded for him last summer! As I recall he gave up a very popular Knick in Kurt Thomas and I'm sure Isiah did NOT want to look badly in trading KT for a player with a bad back.

Well Isiah did hire him. No one is saying Larry did NOT do a bad job at all. I think alot of people refuse to look at other mitigating factors and instead just want to blame everything on Brown.

Instead of just being a drone and bringing everything back to Brown, I would like you to tell me something honestly. Who was supposed to play last year when Marbury, Frye, Q, Rose were all injured at some point of the year last year, and also Curry, JJ, and Francis were all out of shape. Who is supposed to play? Seems to me that Malik and MoT had to play last year, as well as Q becuase players were injured.

If I were Isiah, I'd be telling Larry to make sure Q sees some court-time to see if he improves his game because even right now that trade looks HORRIBLE, so I wouldn't be surprised if Larry was under orders to play Q.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-11-2006 6:52 PM]

This is a really old debate. Anyone who was playing hard should play. That starts with Lee, Frye, Nate, Ariza, Malik, Butler, Udoka/Barnes when they were here. Do that for a week and I bet the vets who care (Marbury, Crawford) would play harder. If not, they stay on the bench.