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10/9/2006  10:42 AM
They also said that that Frye should get 30 plus minutes but needs to step up his defense. How do you think Frye will do this year?
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10/9/2006  10:49 AM
Posted by BigC:

They also said that that Frye should get 30 plus minutes but needs to step up his defense. How do you think Frye will do this year?

Frye as I see him right now is Rasheed Wallace without the strong defense.
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10/9/2006  11:04 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by BigC:

They also said that that Frye should get 30 plus minutes but needs to step up his defense. How do you think Frye will do this year?

Frye as I see him right now is Rasheed Wallace without the strong defense.

I don't know about Rasheed Wallace just yet. Rasheed can postup against any center or pf in this league. From Duncan to Dirk. He also has a dribble and spin move. If Rasheed took more shot attempts in the box he would be considered one of the best big men in the league.

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10/9/2006  11:07 AM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by joec32033:
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They also said that that Frye should get 30 plus minutes but needs to step up his defense. How do you think Frye will do this year?

Frye as I see him right now is Rasheed Wallace without the strong defense.

I don't know about Rasheed Wallace just yet. Rasheed can postup against any center or pf in this league. From Duncan to Dirk. He also has a dribble and spin move. If Rasheed took more shot attempts in the box he would be considered one of the best big men in the league.

He used to be able to do all that, he doesn't do so much of it now. Rasheed is a better post player but Frye has some potential in that area because he looks like a longer player than Rasheed is.

Numbers wise, I think Frye and Sheed will be very close.
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10/9/2006  11:08 AM
I think he'll be a better rebounder than Rasheed. He already in his rookie season rebounded at a comparable rate.
17/8 sounds right. 20/10 is still possible.
Yeah, his defense is well behind Rasheed's right now, though.
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10/9/2006  11:16 AM
If Fyre is given 30+ minutes, 17 and 8 will be easy for him. The guy shoots at a high percentage and can score in the post. Even with Francis and Marbury on the team, he should get enough shot attempts to average 17 points and I think his rebounding will improve this year.
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10/9/2006  11:33 AM
Sheed is a bad comparision, Sheed has 3 point range and used to be able to dunk on anyone......

Those numbers are pretty close to what everyone thought he would be......

Should be

Curry 16pts 6rbs 1blk
Fyee 16pts 5rbs 1-2blks
Jefferies 6pts 6rbs 3ass 1blk
Francis 14pts 4assts 5rbs
Marbury 16pts 7assts

Craw 12pts 3 assts
Nate 7pts 2ass 3rbs
Q 6-8pts 4rbs
Lee 6pts 6rbs

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10/9/2006  11:45 AM
Posted by MS:

Sheed is a bad comparision, Sheed has 3 point range and used to be able to dunk on anyone......

Those numbers are pretty close to what everyone thought he would be......

Should be

Curry 16pts 6rbs 1blk
Fyee 16pts 5rbs 1-2blks
Jefferies 6pts 6rbs 3ass 1blk
Francis 14pts 4assts 5rbs
Marbury 16pts 7assts

Craw 12pts 3 assts
Nate 7pts 2ass 3rbs
Q 6-8pts 4rbs
Lee 6pts 6rbs

Well sure Sheed is still better than Frye and has a better all around game, offensively and defensively, but in a couple of years Frye might threaten to become that type of player.
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10/9/2006  11:53 AM
Sheed is a bad comparision, Sheed has 3 point range and used to be able to dunk on anyone......

I agree with this. 2 totally different games, 2 totally different attitudes. For the most part, Rasheed has 1 post move and that's the turn around jumper, which works A LOT and is very effective. Frye seems to be a little more skilled in the post though, particularly with his jumphook, and Frye will eventually be a better mid range scorer. But besides Dirk, Rasheed is probably the best 3 pt shooting big man in the league. I do not want to see Frye attempting a quarter of the 3s Rasheed takes. He'll become a bad player, plain and simple.

Rebounding and defense: Frye can be as good as he wants, in terms of guarding his man and help and guarding the post.

Rasheed comparisons are bad. Let Channing just be himself.
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10/9/2006  12:17 PM
Posted by MS:

Sheed is a bad comparision, Sheed has 3 point range and used to be able to dunk on anyone......

Those numbers are pretty close to what everyone thought he would be......

Should be

Curry 16pts 6rbs 1blk
Fyee 16pts 5rbs 1-2blks
Jefferies 6pts 6rbs 3ass 1blk
Francis 14pts 4assts 5rbs
Marbury 16pts 7assts

Craw 12pts 3 assts
Nate 7pts 2ass 3rbs
Q 6-8pts 4rbs
Lee 6pts 6rbs

What's with all the low averages? Someone is going to have a big scoring year among those players if the others are down. Only 12pts for Jamal? I don't see that happening. 6 & 5 rebs for Curry and Frye? Not with longer minutes this year. Curry avg'd 6 rebs in only 26 mpg and Frye 5.8 rebs in only 24 mpg. Only 6pts and 6 rebs for Lee when he's likely to see close to 25 mpg? Come on now. Lee got 5 pts & 4.5 rebs in only 17 mpg.

Anyway, Frye is still developing and I think he's gonna have a good year overall. Right now he is on pace for a 17/8 year. That's actually an excellent season for him if he should get those avg's.

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Posted by nixluva:
Posted by MS:

Sheed is a bad comparision, Sheed has 3 point range and used to be able to dunk on anyone......

Those numbers are pretty close to what everyone thought he would be......

Should be

Curry 16pts 6rbs 1blk
Fyee 16pts 5rbs 1-2blks
Jefferies 6pts 6rbs 3ass 1blk
Francis 14pts 4assts 5rbs
Marbury 16pts 7assts

Craw 12pts 3 assts
Nate 7pts 2ass 3rbs
Q 6-8pts 4rbs
Lee 6pts 6rbs

What's with all the low averages? Someone is going to have a big scoring year among those players if the others are down. Only 12pts for Jamal? I don't see that happening. 6 & 5 rebs for Curry and Frye? Not with longer minutes this year. Curry avg'd 6 rebs in only 26 mpg and Frye 5.8 rebs in only 24 mpg. Only 6pts and 6 rebs for Lee when he's likely to see close to 25 mpg? Come on now. Lee got 5 pts & 4.5 rebs in only 17 mpg.

Anyway, Frye is still developing and I think he's gonna have a good year overall. Right now he is on pace for a 17/8 year. That's actually an excellent season for him if he should get those avg's.

If Marbs and Francis will be out and Curry played 20 min from the bench - which are my crazy dreams - Craf, Lee, and Fry will get their numbers and Knicks fans will get the game.
But in reality MS numbers are very reasonable. Mediocre players always produce mediocre numbers
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10/9/2006  12:38 PM
14 & 6 from Frye. He won't get 38-40mins per


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10/9/2006  12:39 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by MS:

Sheed is a bad comparision, Sheed has 3 point range and used to be able to dunk on anyone......

Those numbers are pretty close to what everyone thought he would be......

Should be

Curry 16pts 6rbs 1blk
Fyee 16pts 5rbs 1-2blks
Jefferies 6pts 6rbs 3ass 1blk
Francis 14pts 4assts 5rbs
Marbury 16pts 7assts

Craw 12pts 3 assts
Nate 7pts 2ass 3rbs
Q 6-8pts 4rbs
Lee 6pts 6rbs

What's with all the low averages? Someone is going to have a big scoring year among those players if the others are down. Only 12pts for Jamal? I don't see that happening. 6 & 5 rebs for Curry and Frye? Not with longer minutes this year. Curry avg'd 6 rebs in only 26 mpg and Frye 5.8 rebs in only 24 mpg. Only 6pts and 6 rebs for Lee when he's likely to see close to 25 mpg? Come on now. Lee got 5 pts & 4.5 rebs in only 17 mpg.

Anyway, Frye is still developing and I think he's gonna have a good year overall. Right now he is on pace for a 17/8 year. That's actually an excellent season for him if he should get those avg's.

Add up the numbers. He's giving the Knicks 100pts per game and that's just the 9 players. That's 4.4 pts more than the entire team last year. So if you think he's undercutting somebody, it means he's going over on somebody else. Or maybe you think the Knicks are going to be one of the highest scoring teams in the NBA this year.
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Posted by Allanfan20:
Sheed is a bad comparision, Sheed has 3 point range and used to be able to dunk on anyone......

I agree with this. 2 totally different games, 2 totally different attitudes. For the most part, Rasheed has 1 post move and that's the turn around jumper, which works A LOT and is very effective. Frye seems to be a little more skilled in the post though, particularly with his jumphook, and Frye will eventually be a better mid range scorer. But besides Dirk, Rasheed is probably the best 3 pt shooting big man in the league. I do not want to see Frye attempting a quarter of the 3s Rasheed takes. He'll become a bad player, plain and simple.

Rebounding and defense: Frye can be as good as he wants, in terms of guarding his man and help and guarding the post.

Rasheed comparisons are bad. Let Channing just be himself.

I think their numbers will be very similiar. I have seen Channing stroke some 3's in S/L. He does have the range and his little jump hook can threaten to be a very effective pot move if he strengthens his base.

As of now Sheed is absolutely a better player, but I see alot of similarities when it comes to games. Other than the defense-which Sheed has always been strong at-I think they are very similiar.
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10/9/2006  8:04 PM
Channing Frye will threaten to make the all-star game this year.

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I'm tired of the comparisons of Frye to Rasheed Wallace. Rasheed Wallace must be one of the most overrated players ever.

Defense: First, when did Wallace become some defensive ace? Was he considered one in Portland? No. His defense has exactly one dimension to it and that is shot-blocking. In every other aspect he is average at best.

Offense: Wallace is quite versatile, but he is not as good an outside shooter as Frye. Take a look at his career numbers, his percentages were much better in his early days when he played right around the basket, not when he fell in love with his jump-shot, especially 3 pointers, which he does not shoot particularly well!!

He should stay close to the basket and only occasionally step outside. He has exactly one post move, that weak-ass low-percentage cop-out turnaround jumper!

Rebounding: Frye is already a better rebounder than Wallace has ever been. Don't believe me, check the numbers.

Personality: This guy has long since been considered one of the bad apples in the NBA, a career losing-type player. He shows up for the Detroit train one year, plays well, wins one, and now all is forgiven, and the rose colored glasses are broken out looking back at his career!

See, there is hope for Marbury!

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To summarize: Wallace is a weak-rebounding, average defense playing, poor attitude PF, who does not like to play his best offensive game, shooting worse and worse by the year.

Frye does not play anything like Wallace, and I don't want him too, unless it is the Rasheed Wallace of '95-2000. That was the Wallace who believed in playing like a PF, not some poor-man's Detlef Shrempf!

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Why would anyone be surprised if Frye puts up 17 and 8 in 30+ minutes? If he gets no better and averages 35 minutes, that is right around where he should be. And he will play a better overall game than weak-ass Rasheed Wallace.

Rasheed Wallace Career numbers:


1995-96 WAS 65 27.5 4.2 8.7 48.7 0.4 1.3 32.9 1.2 1.9 65.0 1.4 3.2 4.7 1.3 1.6 0.7 0.8 3.2 10.1
1996-97 POR 62 30.5 6.1 11.0 55.8 0.2 0.5 27.3 2.7 4.3 63.8 2.0 4.8 6.8 1.2 1.8 0.8 1.0 3.2 15.1
1997-98 POR 77 37.6 6.1 11.4 53.3 0.1 0.5 20.5 2.4 3.6 66.2 1.7 4.5 6.2 2.5 2.2 1.0 1.1 3.5 14.6
1998-99 POR 49 28.9 4.9 9.7 50.8 0.3 0.6 41.9 2.7 3.7 73.2 1.2 3.8 4.9 1.2 1.6 1.0 1.1 3.6 12.8
1999-00 POR 81 35.1 6.7 12.9 51.9 0.1 0.6 16.0 2.9 4.1 70.4 1.6 5.4 7.0 1.8 1.9 1.1 1.3 2.7 16.4
2000-01 POR 77 38.2 7.7 15.3 50.1 0.7 2.1 32.1 3.2 4.2 76.6 1.9 5.9 7.8 2.8 2.1 1.2 1.8 2.7 19.2
2001-02 POR 79 37.5 7.6 16.3 46.9 1.4 4.0 36.0 2.5 3.5 73.4 1.7 6.4 8.2 1.9 1.7 1.3 1.3 2.7 19.3
2002-03 POR 74 36.3 7.0 14.8 47.1 1.5 4.2 35.8 2.7 3.7 73.5 1.5 5.9 7.4 2.1 1.9 1.0 1.0 3.0 18.1
2003-04 POR 45 37.2 6.6 14.9 44.3 1.3 3.8 34.1 2.6 3.4 74.2 1.5 5.1 6.6 2.5 1.9 0.8 1.6 2.9 17.0
2003-04 ATL 1 42.0 8.0 24.0 33.3 1.0 6.0 16.7 3.0 3.0 100.0 1.0 5.0 6.0 2.0 3.0 1.0 5.0 0.0 20.0
2003-04 DET 22 30.6 5.5 12.8 43.1 1.0 3.1 31.9 1.7 2.5 70.4 1.5 5.6 7.1 1.8 1.3 1.1 2.1 2.7 13.7
2004-05 DET 79 34.0 5.9 13.4 44.0 1.0 3.0 31.8 1.7 2.5 69.7 2.2 6.0 8.2 1.8 1.6 0.8 1.5 3.0 14.5
2005-06 DET 80 34.7 5.7 13.3 43.0 1.9 5.4 35.7 1.7 2.3 74.3 1.1 5.7 6.8 2.3 1.1 1.0 1.6 2.9 15.1
Career 791 34.5 6.3 13.0 48.2 0.8 2.5 33.7 2.4 3.3 71.1 1.6 5.3 6.9 2.0 1.8 1.0 1.3 3.0 15.7



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10/9/2006  9:06 PM
2006 All Star Rasheed Wallace will threaten to make the 2007 all-star game.

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10/9/2006  9:38 PM
Frye reminds me of Rasheed as much as Kurt Thomas reminds me of Charles Barkley.

I mean, other than the fact that Frye and Rasheed are both tall (6'10"+) and can hit jumpers, what other similarities are there? Rasheed is a very good defensive player, can hit the three, can play inside and has 'tude. Frye is just a different type of player and not yet in that class. Stats aside, because Sheed is one of those players that does more than can be shown on a stat sheet.
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Posted by Solace:

Frye reminds me of Rasheed as much as Kurt Thomas reminds me of Charles Barkley.

I mean, other than the fact that Frye and Rasheed are both tall (6'10"+) and can hit jumpers, what other similarities are there? Rasheed is a very good defensive player, can hit the three, can play inside and has 'tude. Frye is just a different type of player and not yet in that class. Stats aside, because Sheed is one of those players that does more than can be shown on a stat sheet.



Solace I agree that Frye's and Wallace's games do not truly resemble each other.

But I would have to disagree with your other characterizations. R. Wallace has NEVER been categorized as an intangibles player. What he contributes can be measured quite well by his stats. Intangibles and Wallace never came up in the same sentence before Detroit, remember, all his teams throughout his whole career were either bad or disappointing, and he was best known for his on court flameouts!

I still can't figure out when Wallace became a superb defensive player, he blocks some shots but that is it. He is no lockdown artist. He has never been first or second team all-defense, so he was never truly at the top.

And his 3 point shooting must be the most overrated aspect of his game. He has a career average of .337 a game! And he shoots it way too much for a guy who is an average 3 point shooter! His best season average was .420, and in that season he averaged about .6 attempts per game. That is how often he should be shooting from 3, about once every 2 games. Then he would be a lot better.

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10/9/2006  10:44 PM
Frye should be able to manage 15ppg/8rpg in about 30mpg. I bet he'll be among the candidates for most-improved, even though he had flashes of brilliance last year. Per minute, I don't see too much improvement--- he was pretty excellent last year.

The biggest difference in him we'll probably see is a more well-rounded game. He'll score in different ways... and have better showings defensively in general. If the Knicks are to make the playoffs, either Curry or Frye will have to perform on the cusp of allstardom. A perimeter scoring team with average defensive big-men might have some trouble without some balance from the middle.
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10/10/2006  12:17 AM
I can see Frye getting 18-8 if his defense doesn't keep him on the bench. At times, his d was awful. Teams can pick on him.
NBA TV claims that Frye is 17 and 8 guy!

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