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Elite
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10/8/2006  8:49 PM
Seriously, think about it.... If you were to build a team.... Theres not much more you could ask for than what the 6ers have on their roster talent wise... People say the knicks are underachievers... They dont hold a candle to Philly imo....

Could it be because Iverson really in reality is totally overated?

Ingrediants for a winning team:

1. Defensive big man, rebounder, shot blocker - Dalembert
2. Inside scorer with a nice Jumper, good passer out of the double team - Webber
3. 3 point shooter to spot up and spread the floor - Korver
4. Outside Stopper - Shut down the other teams best player, with some scoring ability(slasher) - AI2
5. Superstar Scorer - Iverson

I guess all they are missing is the Pass First Point Gaurd? If AI2 Turned into a Super Scorer and AI1 could run the offense this team should be championship material.... Why not?
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10/8/2006  8:53 PM
Iverson is not a franchise player.
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10/8/2006  9:13 PM
I already predicted them to be the 6th seed in Briggs Eastern Conference predictions thread

I'm happy you agree. I think Iverson and Webber showed that they can not only coexist but play really well together. They have a very good offense and I would say a questionable defense aside from Dalembert but good enough to win alot of ball games.
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10/8/2006  9:38 PM
Posted by Elite:

Seriously, think about it.... If you were to build a team.... Theres not much more you could ask for than what the 6ers have on their roster talent wise... People say the knicks are underachievers... They dont hold a candle to Philly imo....

Could it be because Iverson really in reality is totally overated?

Ingrediants for a winning team:

1. Defensive big man, rebounder, shot blocker - Dalembert
2. Inside scorer with a nice Jumper, good passer out of the double team - Webber
3. 3 point shooter to spot up and spread the floor - Korver
4. Outside Stopper - Shut down the other teams best player, with some scoring ability(slasher) - AI2
5. Superstar Scorer - Iverson

I guess all they are missing is the Pass First Point Gaurd? If AI2 Turned into a Super Scorer and AI1 could run the offense this team should be championship material.... Why not?

Dally is overpaid and overrated imho

Weber couldn't defend me in the paint.. The problem isn't his offense or passing ability, it's at the other end of the floor. He looks like he's wearing cinderblocks for sneakers!

Korver does NOTHING besides shoot and he doesn't even do it at the high percentage.

Iggy is held back by Ivy's chucking ways...

Iverson is a superstar, because he scores in truckloads, gets to the line and is durable as hell.. On the downside, he creates match-up probems for his team, gambles on defense and takes a large volume of the teams shots (at a historically VERY low %).

Philly also has poor bench depth, which could kill them over 82 games.

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10/8/2006  9:50 PM
they cant guard the perimeter or the post. Dalembert is good on help but gets used by his own man. Webber is one legged at this point. AI gets steals but his m2m is bad and Korver is a lamp post

They arent very good at anything
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10/8/2006  10:29 PM
Posted by fishmike:

they cant guard the perimeter or the post. Dalembert is good on help but gets used by his own man. Webber is one legged at this point. AI gets steals but his m2m is bad and Korver is a lamp post

They arent very good at anything
Agree 100%
Plus turnovers and bad Couch
Plus AI is frustrated. But I like his personality and wish him to get on better team.



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10/9/2006  8:59 AM
It is doubtful that Philly will make the playoffs let alone be a top 5 team. Webber and Korver cannot guard anyone, and Dalbert cannot score. A.I. and A.I.2 are both solid but AI2 is too reluctant to score. They have no bench and Webber and A.I. are both going to be a year older. Philly would be luck to get the 8th seed. If the KNicks are going to be in the playoffs, Philly is one of the teams that we have to beat.
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10/9/2006  10:21 AM
They have a player that can do everything you mentioned, but they just can't do it well. Everyone you listed is more or less a role player. Every team has a player that fits the descriptions you posted... but most of them just don't cut it.
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10/9/2006  4:11 PM
76ers are not a top 5 team for a few simple reasons:

1) Webber is god awful on defense. He has no lateral movement. Bringing Webber to the team singlehandedly made the 76ers worse because he's such a defensive liability now. That's what microfracture surgery does.
2) Dalembert can block shots, but he's an overrated defender with a lot of flaws in his game. These flaws would be less noticeable playing next to someone who didn't have the flaws of point 1.
3) Korver is an extremely one dimensional player. Makes Allan Houston look like a guy who can do everything. Korver is terrible on defense. He has a great shot, but he shouldn't be a starter.
4) Iverson is a defensive liability guarding bigger players. Philly helped to allievate this issue by moving Iverson to the point guard position, but he's not a prototypical point guard either.

Philly is a flawed team. Very flawed. Iguodala is awesome, but the other flaws are too much to cancel out.
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10/9/2006  5:12 PM
Korver is an extremely one dimensional player. Makes Allan Houston look like a guy who can do everything.
LOL! Harsh but true!
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10/9/2006  9:15 PM
Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
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10/9/2006  9:22 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players
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10/9/2006  9:34 PM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by bigpimpin:

Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

No, clearly championships are measured in pounds. Least pounds wins the championship. Keep up man!

Btw, I agree. "Pound for pound" is cliched for exciting player, which as we all know doesn't necessarily translate into wins.
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10/9/2006  9:42 PM
pound for pound wouldent Nate be one of the best players also? lol.. at least an allstar
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10/9/2006  9:43 PM
Now I understand why Nash got the '04 MVP over Shaq!
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10/9/2006  9:53 PM
Posted by wsdm:

Now I understand why Nash got the '04 MVP over Shaq!

He shaved his head so he's down a pound now... he should win it easily this year.
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10/9/2006  11:26 PM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by bigpimpin:

Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

Iverson is one of the top players in the game. Just because you think he isn't means nothing. He is a sure HOF and an NBA icon.

His numbers speak for themselves.

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10/9/2006  11:28 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by bigpimpin:

Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

No, clearly championships are measured in pounds. Least pounds wins the championship. Keep up man!

Btw, I agree. "Pound for pound" is cliched for exciting player, which as we all know doesn't necessarily translate into wins.


Marbury hasn't translated into wins either. at least Iverson has done "something" during his NBA career.
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10/9/2006  11:36 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by bigpimpin:

Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

Iverson is one of the top players in the game. Just because you think he isn't means nothing. He is a sure HOF and an NBA icon.

His numbers speak for themselves.

Nothing you have said is untrue but when compared to other top player in reagrds to carrying a team to a championship my money would be on guys like Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan way ahead of Iverson. There are great players, stat compilers, and champions. Iverson is a great player and a great stat compiler but he doesnt really make his teams dramatically better

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/9/2006  11:50 PM
Posted by gr33d:
Posted by Elite:

Seriously, think about it.... If you were to build a team.... Theres not much more you could ask for than what the 6ers have on their roster talent wise... People say the knicks are underachievers... They dont hold a candle to Philly imo....

Could it be because Iverson really in reality is totally overated?

Ingrediants for a winning team:

1. Defensive big man, rebounder, shot blocker - Dalembert
2. Inside scorer with a nice Jumper, good passer out of the double team - Webber
3. 3 point shooter to spot up and spread the floor - Korver
4. Outside Stopper - Shut down the other teams best player, with some scoring ability(slasher) - AI2
5. Superstar Scorer - Iverson

I guess all they are missing is the Pass First Point Gaurd? If AI2 Turned into a Super Scorer and AI1 could run the offense this team should be championship material.... Why not?

Dally is overpaid and overrated imho

Weber couldn't defend me in the paint.. The problem isn't his offense or passing ability, it's at the other end of the floor. He looks like he's wearing cinderblocks for sneakers!

Korver does NOTHING besides shoot and he doesn't even do it at the high percentage.

Iggy is held back by Ivy's chucking ways...

Iverson is a superstar, because he scores in truckloads, gets to the line and is durable as hell.. On the downside, he creates match-up probems for his team, gambles on defense and takes a large volume of the teams shots (at a historically VERY low %).

Philly also has poor bench depth, which could kill them over 82 games.


Excellent post gr33d.

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