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9/19/2006  11:28 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=nba2010_champs
Marc J. Spears, The Denver Post: As odd as it may sound, keep an eye in the coming years on the New York Knicks. Why the Knicks? Because either LeBron James or Dwyane Wade will be wearing a Knicks uniform after his contract ends following the 2009-10 season.

James has long been rumored to be interested in playing under the bright lights on the Madison Square Garden floor in New York City with the Knicks. While Wade has never been rumored to play in New York, there definitely will be temptation to go there once he becomes a free agent. The allure for both James and Wade will also be much deeper than just playing in the Big Apple. Endorsement money will be at a career-high for either if he plays in the world's greatest city.

The Knicks would need a sign-and-trade or a mid-level exception to make a deal happen because they will be over the salary cap. Trust me. The long line of multi-million dollar endorsement opportunities, however, would be so ridiculous in New York that it could make up for some of the shortcomings on the Knicks' contract. Just imagine the jersey sales.

Who knows? Maybe James and Wade can even figure out a way to play there together. But don't expect Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony to join them since his contract extension doesn't end until 2012. With either James, Wade or both, the Knicks will be an NBA power in a couple years.

Marc J. Spears, who covers the NBA for The Denver Post, is a contributor to ESPN.com.
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9/19/2006  12:10 PM
That was supposed to happen this year when they were FAs! Now that they've already re-signed, I guess the only thing to do is to write the same story but push the date back!
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9/19/2006  12:39 PM
I guess the homers here will have blood flow to the reproductive organs over that article!
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9/19/2006  12:42 PM
Knicks to win Championship in 2020 when OJ Mayo and Greg Oden want to play with Lebron and Wade in NY. Bank it.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 09-19-2006 12:42 PM]
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9/19/2006  12:50 PM
if you read the whole article, we're right up there with the bobcats. whooo, i like those odds
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9/19/2006  1:10 PM
If Lebron or Wade come here for the mid-level exception, that would really be unprecedented. You would be talking about an $8-10 million per year reduction from their market value for 5 years. So each would have to recieve $50 plus million in guaranteed endorsement deals beyond what they already could have gotten on their current teams. In NY, $50 million in additional endorsements is certainly possible, but why would they take that risk to play for this team unless the Knicks were already a title contender. It seems highly unlikely to me. This guy just needed something to write about.
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9/19/2006  1:57 PM
ESPN catches kool aid. We're all doomed.

We need to be under the cap to get those players.
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9/19/2006  1:57 PM
Hey guys just look at the Knicks Cap situation as we move along over the next 3 years. I think his main problem is that he assumes that the Knicks won't target the FA market for the 2009-10 season. Steph and Francis contracts will have expired by then. Jamal, QRich, James will all be in there final year. Frye, Nate & Lee will all be at the point were we can make qualifying offers to them. Balkman and Collins only have team options. We basically will be easily under the cap if we choose to be.

Why do I think its likely that we will be? Cuz there aren't any other players that would be worth making a big contract offer too between now and then. We pretty much have a team we can go with for the next 3 years and only need to add low salary bench players at this point. So I think its HIGHLY possible that we'll target that time to make a run at one of them.
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9/19/2006  2:00 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Hey guys just look at the Knicks Cap situation as we move along over the next 3 years. I think his main problem is that he assumes that the Knicks won't target the FA market for the 2009-10 season. Steph and Francis contracts will have expired by then. Jamal, QRich, James will all be in there final year. Frye, Nate & Lee will all be at the point were we can make qualifying offers to them. Balkman and Collins only have team options. We basically will be easily under the cap if we choose to be.

Why do I think its likely that we will be? Cuz there aren't any other players that would be worth making a big contract offer too between now and then. We pretty much have a team we can go with for the next 3 years and only need to add low salary bench players at this point. So I think its HIGHLY possible that we'll target that time to make a run at one of them.

We won't be because we'll have to resign all our young kids. If Frye puts up anything close to 20 and 8 in the next few years, I can see us giving Frye the max or close to it. That's not mentioning Lee and Nate. We won't be under the cap. We missed our chance.
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9/19/2006  2:12 PM
There are very few teams that aren't currently slated to be under the cap in three or four years.

Can we at least see Isiah let just one damn contract actually expire? Cause it'll be his first.

Plus, if we do anywhere near as well as nixluva expects us to we'll be right back in the mindset of thinking rebuilding is for suckers and we're just one player away. We'll sniff the first round and Dolan will get a whiff of the proceeds and want more, more, more. Then Webber and Kmart will be viable options again.
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9/19/2006  2:23 PM
I almost posted that yesterday, then I read it...WEAK.

no mention of the rooks, no mention of craw and curry, no mention that the knicks will possibly be UNDER the cap by then when Franchise and Marbury are the last of the giant contracts come off the books.

madness.
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9/19/2006  2:31 PM
Man you guys are truly JADED! It's not impossible to see this team making a calculated plan to be ready as will other teams for the year that LeBron and Wade will be available.

It's possible that we might forsake a chance to add one of those great players, but I really don't think they're that blind to the fact that we have a real shot at them now. Everything points to the time after Steph and Francis contracts exp in 2008-09. At that point we don't HAVE to do anything but wait for LeBron and Wade. To suggest that we can't be under the cap cuz we'd have to resign our kids is silly. For one thing we will have the option of making only the qualifying offer to them and that's not gonna push us over the edge. We could also decide to let some of them go and only keep the most important one of them. So in 2008-09 we drop $39mil. Also Somehow you guys missed the fact that I said QRich, Jamal and James will expire that year in 2009-10. that's another $25mil right there.

Don't try to tell me that we're gonna necessarily add enough contracts to make it impossible to get under the cap. That's just ridiculous. Who are we gonna be able to take on? Almost no one makes more than what Steph and Francis will make in their final year in 2008-09. We're over the cap until they go, so who is it that we'd take on that will have a contract long enough and big enough to stop us from getting under the cap after the following year? More importantly why wouldn't we be fully aware of the chance to get LeBron when that's pretty much all that anyone will be talking about in the year before he comes free? No one is that shortsighted.
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Posted by nixluva:

Man you guys are truly JADED! It's not impossible to see this team making a calculated plan to be ready as will other teams for the year that LeBron and Wade will be available.

It's possible that we might forsake a chance to add one of those great players, but I really don't think they're that blind to the fact that we have a real shot at them now. Everything points to the time after Steph and Francis contracts exp in 2008-09. At that point we don't HAVE to do anything but wait for LeBron and Wade. To suggest that we can't be under the cap cuz we'd have to resign our kids is silly. For one thing we will have the option of making only the qualifying offer to them and that's not gonna push us over the edge. We could also decide to let some of them go and only keep the most important one of them. So in 2008-09 we drop $39mil. Also Somehow you guys missed the fact that I said QRich, Jamal and James will expire that year in 2009-10. that's another $25mil right there.

Don't try to tell me that we're gonna necessarily add enough contracts to make it impossible to get under the cap. That's just ridiculous. Who are we gonna be able to take on? Almost no one makes more than what Steph and Francis will make in their final year in 2008-09. We're over the cap until they go, so who is it that we'd take on that will have a contract long enough and big enough to stop us from getting under the cap after the following year? More importantly why wouldn't we be fully aware of the chance to get LeBron when that's pretty much all that anyone will be talking about in the year before he comes free? No one is that shortsighted.

Key line is: "Calcualted plan"




[Edited by - nalod on 09-19-2006 2:50 PM]
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9/19/2006  3:08 PM
Posted by nixluva:

For one thing we will have the option of making only the qualifying offer to them

Yes, there's a solid plan. Piss them off by not giving them contracts early so they leave town. Good thing you're not GM. And no, our GM has no plan either, so you'd fit right in.

Also, history says by the end of this season, our cap will be locked until 2012. Isiah is still GM for this season, which means Mo and Jalen aren't really expiring, they're trade bait for bigger deals. Until proven otherwise, that is the case.

[Edited by - Solace on 09-19-2006 3:09 PM]
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9/19/2006  3:11 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by nixluva:

Man you guys are truly JADED! It's not impossible to see this team making a calculated plan to be ready as will other teams for the year that LeBron and Wade will be available.

It's possible that we might forsake a chance to add one of those great players, but I really don't think they're that blind to the fact that we have a real shot at them now. Everything points to the time after Steph and Francis contracts exp in 2008-09. At that point we don't HAVE to do anything but wait for LeBron and Wade. To suggest that we can't be under the cap cuz we'd have to resign our kids is silly. For one thing we will have the option of making only the qualifying offer to them and that's not gonna push us over the edge. We could also decide to let some of them go and only keep the most important one of them. So in 2008-09 we drop $39mil. Also Somehow you guys missed the fact that I said QRich, Jamal and James will expire that year in 2009-10. that's another $25mil right there.

Don't try to tell me that we're gonna necessarily add enough contracts to make it impossible to get under the cap. That's just ridiculous. Who are we gonna be able to take on? Almost no one makes more than what Steph and Francis will make in their final year in 2008-09. We're over the cap until they go, so who is it that we'd take on that will have a contract long enough and big enough to stop us from getting under the cap after the following year? More importantly why wouldn't we be fully aware of the chance to get LeBron when that's pretty much all that anyone will be talking about in the year before he comes free? No one is that shortsighted.

Key line is: "Calcualted plan"




[Edited by - nalod on 09-19-2006 2:50 PM]

They won't have to be very calculating to accomplish it. For one thing Steph and Francis expire and then the next year QRich, Jamal and James expire. That's a combined $64mil coming off the books in 2 years. That summer sign LeBron or Wade. What's so hard about that? Before we even get to that year we won't be able to take on anymore salary without moving the same amount, so I fail to see what you guys point is. Who exactly would these high priced players be that we're supposed to believe the Knicks would take on instead of waiting for LeBron and Wade to be FA's.
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Posted by nixluva:


Don't try to tell me that we're gonna necessarily add enough contracts to make it impossible to get under the cap. That's just ridiculous. Who are we gonna be able to take on? Almost no one makes more than what Steph and Francis will make in their final year in 2008-09. We're over the cap until they go, so who is it that we'd take on that will have a contract long enough and big enough to stop us from getting under the cap after the following year? More importantly why wouldn't we be fully aware of the chance to get LeBron when that's pretty much all that anyone will be talking about in the year before he comes free? No one is that shortsighted.

Isiah will find a way. He'll find a MoT clone with 3 years longer contract to trade MoT for
with the benefit of having an expiring contract "asset" in 3 years. He'll trade for KMart
or Juwan Howard, or you get the picture. It's not that he's going to "sign" someone, he'll just
keep rolling the contracts forward.
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9/19/2006  3:16 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by nixluva:


Don't try to tell me that we're gonna necessarily add enough contracts to make it impossible to get under the cap. That's just ridiculous. Who are we gonna be able to take on? Almost no one makes more than what Steph and Francis will make in their final year in 2008-09. We're over the cap until they go, so who is it that we'd take on that will have a contract long enough and big enough to stop us from getting under the cap after the following year? More importantly why wouldn't we be fully aware of the chance to get LeBron when that's pretty much all that anyone will be talking about in the year before he comes free? No one is that shortsighted.

Isiah will find a way. He'll find a MoT clone with 3 years longer contract to trade MoT for
with the benefit of having an expiring contract "asset" in 3 years. He'll trade for KMart
or Juwan Howard, or you get the picture. It's not that he's going to "sign" someone, he'll just
keep rolling the contracts forward.

OK you guys are gonna have to actually give me someone realistic. Why the heck would we get Kmart or Juwan Howard? This team is pretty much set for a while. Unless we can move Francis or Steph there are no deals to be made.

We have our Frontcourt players and for the most part we have our Guards. The only logical move would be to trade a Francis for a more traditional SG. Other than that there is no room for anyone else.
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9/19/2006  3:45 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

There are very few teams that aren't currently slated to be under the cap in three or four years.

Can we at least see Isiah let just one damn contract actually expire? Cause it'll be his first.

Complete nonsense! He let Jackie Butler's contract expire!
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9/19/2006  4:13 PM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by BlueSeats:

There are very few teams that aren't currently slated to be under the cap in three or four years.

Can we at least see Isiah let just one damn contract actually expire? Cause it'll be his first.

Complete nonsense! He let Jackie Butler's contract expire!

Good point! Isiah only resigns the 8 figure players and helps them get closer to 9 figures. :)
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Posted by FrenchKnicks:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=nba2010_champs
Marc J. Spears, The Denver Post: As odd as it may sound, keep an eye in the coming years on the New York Knicks. Why the Knicks? Because either LeBron James or Dwyane Wade will be wearing a Knicks uniform after his contract ends following the 2009-10 season.

James has long been rumored to be interested in playing under the bright lights on the Madison Square Garden floor in New York City with the Knicks. While Wade has never been rumored to play in New York, there definitely will be temptation to go there once he becomes a free agent. The allure for both James and Wade will also be much deeper than just playing in the Big Apple. Endorsement money will be at a career-high for either if he plays in the world's greatest city.

The Knicks would need a sign-and-trade or a mid-level exception to make a deal happen because they will be over the salary cap. Trust me. The long line of multi-million dollar endorsement opportunities, however, would be so ridiculous in New York that it could make up for some of the shortcomings on the Knicks' contract. Just imagine the jersey sales.

Who knows? Maybe James and Wade can even figure out a way to play there together. But don't expect Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony to join them since his contract extension doesn't end until 2012. With either James, Wade or both, the Knicks will be an NBA power in a couple years.

Marc J. Spears, who covers the NBA for The Denver Post, is a contributor to ESPN.com.

Oh yeah! Right!! That's why that fool signed a mult contract with Cleve!!! Having LeBron James does not necessarily mean you'll win a championship. Besides, by the time we' get him, he'll be too old and probably broken down. Now was the time to get him. I'm tired of talking about getting LeBron!
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