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rvhoss
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9/2/2006  3:15 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_18599.shtml

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New York Knicks: 40 wins. That’s what the Knicks should win without much improvement from the players, that should be enough for Isiah Thomas to say the team is better, but the playoffs may be the only thing that saves his job. Two fundamental things have to be resolved in training camp – Eddy Curry has to live up to the paycheck, and one of the overpaid small forwards has to stay healthy. The Knicks have a ton of talent, the question is can they all stop being impressed at being Knicks, and start getting hungry for the playoffs. Nate Robinson should get a ton of minutes under Thomas, and Stephon Marbury will likely play off the ball more. Look for the Knicks to be a free flowing team, and when the guys realize they can out run teams, they may win more than 40 games.
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9/2/2006  5:17 PM
Thanks for the post and link...
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9/2/2006  5:44 PM
WOW. that's actually a gray area. good article, hopefully it happens.
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9/2/2006  6:50 PM
That was a good read. So many interesting plot lines for this coming season. So many teams that can go either way this year. Its gonna be interesting to see.

I liked what the writer had to say about the Knicks winning 40 even without much improvement from the players. Also that this team should be able to run and win more games. I think he's on to something with that. So many often say this team is full of talent, but then go on to make it sound like they have little chance to win. At least this writer sees how things could come together this year under Isiah. He used the words "Free Flowing" and I LOVED that, cuz that's what i've been trying to say all summer. Isiah's style of offense is NOTHING like LB's or any of the other coaches we've had. We've never seen this team with multiple players in motion. We should see this team pushing the ball more and looking for early offense more. I think its gonna put more pressure on teams and that is gonna really help us. When we went on that win streak it was due to a more aggressive style of offense and that's exactly what we need. When we played passively it made it easier for teams to defend us and we made too many mistakes. We have WAY too much talent to play like that. There were times this team looked like it had never played the game before. Players were hesistant and unsure, throwing the ball into the stands. COME ON! You know that the players are better than that. This is why i'm optimistic. Cuz this team should be good if its coached properly and I believe it will be.
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9/3/2006  12:01 AM
As I've said many times before, I predict this team to win 37 or 38 games. If this team shows some signs of playing together and making a considerable effort on defense than I will consider the season a success, if not, I want big changes.
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9/3/2006  12:07 AM
Bravo nixluva. This team has a ton of talent. They just have to play as a team. I watched all the summer league games just to get a gauge of the offense. The last league game against Washington, IT sat down with Gus Williams and Clyde in the second qtr., and broke down his offensive philosophy. Damn if the team didn't score as he broke down one set. I can't wait to see how the pros take to the offense. If they take to it like the no names we had in summer league, the rest of the league needs to watch out...period.
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9/3/2006  12:25 AM
If the Knicks win 40 games and the Knicks don't make the playoffs, Isiah should keep his job.
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9/3/2006  12:50 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

As I've said many times before, I predict this team to win 37 or 38 games. If this team shows some signs of playing together and making a considerable effort on defense than I will consider the season a success, if not, I want big changes.

See i'm not even gonna hedge my bet when it comes to this team this year. I FULLY expect this team to put in a better effort defensively. For one thing last yr. this team had so many new faces and so many young players that I never expected the team to be very good defensively. I had expected that team to have to win with its offense. Since LB didn't really focus on Offense there was no chance this team could win. Now that's why the team actually won some games playing the way Steph was advocating. The team was scoring more and they put pressure on the other team to try and stop them. Teams had trouble doing that. Now the defense wasn't great, but at least if they tried to defend they'd have a chance to win the game. In any event the Team this year will be much more ready to play as a defensive unit. For one thing our best players will be in the game more than they were last year. No more AD, Malik or MO. At SF at least we'll have someone who can put up a bit more of a fight, now that we have Jared. He doesn't have to shut SF's down, just don't let them go off on us like last year. With Frye and Lee getting more minutes I think this will also help to make the team a bit better defensively and rebounding wise. Then you can't forget that QRich was much improved defensively so if he's in better shape this year that should continue. We also have bench guys who can come in and provide D if we need help. Our best defense will be a great offense. We have the tools to be very potent on offense, but only OK defensively, so we have to go with what we have. Rather than fight against it like LB did.

Another thing is that Isiah will use a much simpler defensive scheme. He prefers more man to man and less of that switching that we saw last year. Not that we won't see defensive rotations, but they should be less complicated and with a consistent rotation the players will have a chance to jell as a unit and play more like a team. That should mean fewer missed assignments.
We actually have more size with the addition of Jared too.
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9/3/2006  10:13 AM
It was amazing watching Malik start or getting so many minutes. He gave us nothing except alot of missed scoring opportunities. At least Mo T had a little game, but Malik getting time over Frye and Lee when they were clearly better was mind boggling.
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9/3/2006  10:51 AM
It is wishful thinking that we will use the talent we have and sit on the bench 80 mils of contracts.
This will be a clear display of corporate failure of Dolan’s Cablevision and Isaiah GM job.
They will play this crappy vets no meter what. So I am not to confident that team with players like JJ, Mo, Jalen, QRich, Malik, Francis, and Marbs poised to play big or even some minutes can achieve anything.
The only players with experience who can (but not necessary will) produce high level of basketball are Curry and Craf.
Our young players are probably talented but this not enough to win in NBA (see Atlanta, Chicago)
I will be pleasantly surprised with 35 wins...
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9/3/2006  12:04 PM
Good post, Hoss. They're calling for 40+ and I'm looking at 42-45 wins... close enough.
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9/3/2006  12:12 PM
same here hardcore. i'm thinking 42-45 wins.
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9/3/2006  12:27 PM
Posted by arkrud:

It is wishful thinking that we will use the talent we have and sit on the bench 80 mils of contracts.
This will be a clear display of corporate failure of Dolan’s Cablevision and Isaiah GM job.
They will play this crappy vets no meter what. So I am not to confident that team with players like JJ, Mo, Jalen, QRich, Malik, Francis, and Marbs poised to play big or even some minutes can achieve anything.
The only players with experience who can (but not necessary will) produce high level of basketball are Curry and Craf.
Our young players are probably talented but this not enough to win in NBA (see Atlanta, Chicago)
I will be pleasantly surprised with 35 wins...

See this is the kind of take on things that just boggles my mind. Do you really think that Isiah Thomas won't play Frye, Jared & Lee a ton of minutes? I can guarantee you that Malik and Mo aren't going to see the floor much. This is about the future now.

Curry, Frye, Jared, Francis & Steph
Jamal, Lee should see big minutes - QRich, Nate fewer but enough to be helpful - then Jalen or james depending upon the need. There will be games when I don't think James will get in. Any of the bench players will see spot minutes due to foul trouble, injury or blowout.

As far as this team having talent but not being able to win, I TOTALLY disagree with that. For one thing this team as it is now hasn't been together long. What happened last year artificially held them back from what they were truly capable of. Under much better circumstances to start with, with improved young returning players, the addition of Jared and with a system that is much better suited to the players we have, this team is poised to make a huge jump in production over last year. I expect that players roles will be more clearly defined and with an established rotation this team should jell at some point and start to really play well.

For the most part I haven't heard any really good arguments against this team being able to play winning ball this year. I've heard a lot of the same old rhetoric about the lack of team players and the players on this team have never won, yadda, yadda yadda. Well that's all a bunch of weak crap to me. It doesn't really explain anything, its merely an observation of the past. There could be MANY reasons why some of these players hadn't won a lot. Plus it ignores the fact that many of the players are so young that they don't have a history in the NBA.

Frye and Jared don't have a negative history. Steph and Francis have a negative history, but they also have been All Stars and have been in the playoffs before. So its not like they can't play winning basketball. Curry has been all potential so far, but I think with so much talent around him he can focus on his game and not feel so much pressure. He won't have to carry the team. Just do his part.
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9/3/2006  12:48 PM
Posted by nixluva:


For the most part I haven't heard any really good arguments against this team being able to play winning ball this year. I've heard a lot of the same old rhetoric about the lack of team players and the players on this team have never won, yadda, yadda yadda. Well that's all a bunch of weak crap to me. It doesn't really explain anything, its merely an observation of the past. There could be MANY reasons why some of these players hadn't won a lot. Plus it ignores the fact that many of the players are so young that they don't have a history in the NBA.

And you haven't given one good argument about how this team IS going to win. You make these long posts that drivvle on about how your so sure of all these things happening and you have absolutely nothing to back it up. Your making predictions, we're making predictions, thats where it ends till the season starts.

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9/3/2006  12:56 PM
40wins for the next 3yrs
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9/3/2006  1:34 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:


For the most part I haven't heard any really good arguments against this team being able to play winning ball this year. I've heard a lot of the same old rhetoric about the lack of team players and the players on this team have never won, yadda, yadda yadda. Well that's all a bunch of weak crap to me. It doesn't really explain anything, its merely an observation of the past. There could be MANY reasons why some of these players hadn't won a lot. Plus it ignores the fact that many of the players are so young that they don't have a history in the NBA.

And you haven't given one good argument about how this team IS going to win. You make these long posts that drivvle on about how your so sure of all these things happening and you have absolutely nothing to back it up. Your making predictions, we're making predictions, thats where it ends till the season starts.

See that's the problem, You aren't really comprehending what i'm saying. You assume there's no substance to what i'm saying, but you're wrong. Tell is Frye not a perfect High Post big man? YES. Frye's ability to hit from any range makes him perfect for the role. Are Steph and Francis excellent penetrating guards? Yes. When a pick is set they will have a great advantage to explode to the basket and either score, get fouled or dump off to Curry etc. Jared is already knowledgeable about the system Isiah will be using and his ability to pass the ball will be key in this offense.

In the offense using a 1-4 set, the PG would pass to the SF on the wing and the PG would rub off of the C/PF's high post screen cutting to the basket for a possible layup. Then the SF can either pass to the cutting PG if he's open or If C/PF's defender cuts off the PG's move to the basket, reverse the ball to the C/PF who steps out for a jumper or cuts to the basket. On the weakside you've got the C/PF and the SG. The SG can cut to the basket along the baseline, then the C or PF sets a down screen and the SG comes back around that and is open for a short jumper or slash to the basket. With the players we have this offense should work well. It should keep a defense from easily doubling our players and will make them work harder than they had to last year. With the skill level of our players we should be able to score a lot this year. We already led the league in drawing fouls and FT attempts, just imagine how we'll be this year with so much more motion. We have some big bodies to set screens and with the guards we have they only need a sliver of daylight and they're gone. Last year LB use that tired C post up and everyone backs out of the way. That doesn't work cuz we don't have the kind of 3pt shooting that teams fear, so they'd just dig down or pack it in and we'd be left with nothing. Our strength is in the quickness of our guards and they need to be moving not standing at the top of the key or on the perimeter where they're less effective.
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9/3/2006  3:24 PM
This is what I mean. This has been the most positive thread in a long while.

Isiah will play who deserves to play instead of playing who he felt like playing. The knicks right off the bat have one of the best backcourts in the league. They also have one of the best young front courts in the league.

42-45 wins should shut everyone up.
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9/3/2006  7:27 PM
the seasons close, LB is long gone, the vibes are returning.

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9/3/2006  10:59 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

This is what I mean. This has been the most positive thread in a long while.

Isiah will play who deserves to play instead of playing who he felt like playing. The knicks right off the bat have one of the best backcourts in the league. They also have one of the best young front courts in the league.

42-45 wins should shut everyone up.

Its alright to go into a season being positive. I think there are some who just can't deal with a fan who can see that there are positive signs everywhere this year. Sure things can go wrong, but barring something crazy, I think this team has a good chance to be much improved this year.

Funny cuz when you give coherent and plausible reasons why there's reason for optimism some just come back with the same old arguments cuz they can't refute the positive signs we point to. Earlier I laid out just one aspect of why this team should be much improved offensively and i've yet to hear any good reasons why this won't be the case. I'm looking forward not only to this season but the coming seasons as this team grows and develops more chemistry. This team is far from perfect, but at least this season should be the start of positive progress for this team. That's all we want.
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9/4/2006  9:32 AM
Well, we should start 1-0 no matter what! Gasol will defintely be out for Memphis and even though it's on the road, their roster is just not good enough without him!

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