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TheGame
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8/16/2006  2:41 PM
He actually is not as negative as he usually is but of course he predicts we will win only 33 games next year:

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Last year the Knicks played for the right to hand the Bulls the No. 2 pick in the draft. Isiah Thomas still argues that he'd take Eddy Curry over who the Bulls got -- Tyrus Thomas -- any day. We'll see if the feels the same way once he's forced to hand over the Knicks' first-round pick to the Bulls again next summer.

If the Bulls hit the jackpot with the Knicks' No. 1 pick (and the right to draft Greg Oden), there could be a riot in New York.

As it stands, the Knicks' biggest offseason change is at coach. Larry Brown, the Knicks' savior this time last year, is out. Thomas, the Knicks' master architect, is in. I actually think the Knicks will be better with Isiah at the helm.

Brown sabotaged the team, in my opinion, to convince James Dolan that the roster needed a major overhaul. Thomas wasn't going to agree with Brown's assessment of Isiah's roster, so Brown dramatized the problems for Dolan.

Brown used 42 different starting lineups, an NBA record, last year in New York. Everyone was confused. No one knew where they stood. A player could start one game and get a DNP the next. It was a mess.

With Thomas fighting for his professional life, things will be different. The Knicks do have talent and he'll lean heavily on Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford, Curry and probably Channing Frye to save his job.

The Knicks, with a steadier hand at the helm, will probably win 10 more games next season.

However, the rest of their summer has been anticlimactic by comparison. The Knicks did land Jared Jeffries in free agency, but I'm not a big fan. He's long and he hustles and since he doesn't shoot the ball, he'll actually be popular with all of the Knicks' gunners. But I don't think he wins New York any extra games. Ditto for rookies Renaldo Balkman and Mardy Collins, who likely won't see the light of day this year.

Surprisingly, the Knicks have restrained themselves from being more aggressive. Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor are both very tradeable because they are in the last year of their contracts. Nate Robinson and David Lee have trade value as well.

But the word out of New York is that Isiah has no choice but to play the hand he's dealt. Dolan apparently isn't in the mood to swap any more expiring contracts for long-term deals. The Knicks' payroll is at an absurd $122 million this year.

Thomas fought for every one of the players on his roster. Now he'll find out whether they were worth fighting for. If this were a fantasy team, the answer may be yes. But as an NBA team, the Knicks' long-term future still looks very bleak.
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8/16/2006  2:42 PM
Posted by TheGame:

He actually is not as negative as he usually is but of course he predicts we will win only 33 games next year

Not out of the question, considering we won 23 last year, and only 33 the year before. He's just trying to be realistic.

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8/16/2006  3:21 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TheGame:

He actually is not as negative as he usually is but of course he predicts we will win only 33 games next year

Not out of the question, considering we won 23 last year, and only 33 the year before. He's just trying to be realistic.


no koolaid or such, but I'd be damn surprised if we only won 33 games next season. no way.
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8/16/2006  3:34 PM
Posted by raven:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TheGame:

He actually is not as negative as he usually is but of course he predicts we will win only 33 games next year

Not out of the question, considering we won 23 last year, and only 33 the year before. He's just trying to be realistic.


no koolaid or such, but I'd be damn surprised if we only won 33 games next season. no way.

My pick is 38 wins and I stand behind that, but 33 is certainly, also a possibility. That's just going with history. I don't think Chad was being biased on this one.
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8/16/2006  3:37 PM
If Chad Ford is willing to say the Knicks will win 33 games, we are guaranteed to win at least 40. I think IT will get us to 42-44 games.
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8/16/2006  3:39 PM
Everyone keeps saying how these writers are so negative when they continue to predict the Knicks to have a bad year but guess what, they've ended up right alot lately. Everyone went nuts last year when people weren't picking the Knicks to the playoffs, how it was typical media hatred for the Knicks. They missed the playoffs, by alot. The same goes for the year before.

I'm picking 37 wins.
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8/16/2006  3:53 PM
This team is going to be very hard to project a win total. The talent is big, but no history of chemistry, nor have any of th players fit in anywhere well.

This is going to be very interesting.

I think the unless Isiah can really come ahead on a trade, the expiring deals exprire. There must be some limit to the madness.
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8/16/2006  4:51 PM
Good to see even Chad Ford (historical Knick hater) state that Brown deliberately sabatoged this team last year.
We are nowhere near as bad as most people think we are.
We are the dark horse for next year... We should be good with IT running the show without alterior motives.

Overall is one of Chad's better analysis.
Not overly optomistic, but telling it like it is.
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8/16/2006  5:39 PM
Posted by nyvector16:

Good to see even Chad Ford (historical Knick hater) state that Brown deliberately sabatoged this team last year.
It really surprised me that he said that. I guess it's so obvious that Brown had something in mind other than winning that very few will deny it now.
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8/16/2006  5:52 PM
Larry Brown's goal was the same here as it was everywhere else. He starts off by instilling his system and wants his players on the team, year 1 is always like this, its a foundation year, he finds the players he wants or doesn't want on the team and he goes from there. New York fans always want to feel like they were screwed when things don't go right and there always have to be a hidden agenda when a player or coach doesn't perform. It's simply not the case.
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8/16/2006  6:00 PM
Maybe Larry should have filled the Knicks in on that plan before he was hired. The real problem is Dolan and Cablevision but I won't let Larry or Isiah off the hook either.

[Edited by - wsdm on 08-16-2006 6:00 PM]
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8/16/2006  6:08 PM
Posted by wsdm:

Maybe Larry should have filled the Knicks in on that plan before he was hired. The real problem is Dolan and Cablevision but I won't let Larry or Isiah off the hook either.

[Edited by - wsdm on 08-16-2006 6:00 PM]

I agree with you, the real problem is Dolan and Cablevision. My problem is that if the Knicks did their homework before they hired Brown they would know the way he goes about coaching and the plan that he uses EVERYWHERE he goes. The Knicks constantly try and cut corners and look to make bigname splashes for the sake of making bigname splashes and this was the wrong guy to do that way. Brown has a plan, he uses it all the time and he's not going to change it, if the Knicks weren't ready for that than they didn't do their homework and they are the ones at fault.
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8/16/2006  9:26 PM
If the Bulls hit the jackpot with the Knicks' No. 1 pick (and the right to draft Greg Oden), there could be a riot in New York.

Did that jump out at anyone else?
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8/16/2006  9:49 PM
Did it ever occur to some of you guys that when he was being "negative" last year that he was just giving his honest opinion?
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8/16/2006  9:51 PM
Posted by LBeast:

Did it ever occur to some of you guys that when he was being "negative" last year that he was just giving his honest opinion?

The Kool-Aiders live in NeverNever Land and they are the ones that constantly rip Chad. Most people knew the Knicks were in for a rough year last year and the past years before that but when someone in the media rips the Knicks, these people come out and say "typical media hatred of the Knicks." It's amusing.

Yes the WHOLE media has come together and have decided that the Knicks are a machine that must be stopped! We must portray them negatively on purpose!



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-16-2006 9:52 PM]
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8/16/2006  10:05 PM
Posted by LBeast:

Did it ever occur to some of you guys that when he was being "negative" last year that he was just giving his honest opinion?
So he's an honest hater!
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8/16/2006  10:41 PM
the only way to shut up haters is to win. we haven't done that in years. even when we snuck into the playoffs we got ripped for being sub .500 in a bad conference, and got clearly tooled on. some guys on this board think that making moves like curry last summer or JJ this summer should end the negativity. it needs to be done on the court.
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8/17/2006  12:15 AM
OK Chad made some decent points, but he failed to recognize what this team went into the offseason needing. He's like a lot of analysts who just parachute in and don't really know what is going on with the team. For one thing this team has a lot of 1st rd draft picks and 5 of them have come in the last 2 years. No mention of that HUGE fact when bashing the team as a whole.

I don't think he's got a clue as to what this team needed. Jared is a VERY good signing not due to any stats, but for the very reason that he helps the teams chemistry. Even Chad admits that this team has TALENT, but he missed the target when he didn't mention that Isiah went for chemistry and defense bigtime this offseason, as opposed to what he might usually have done in the past.

This team is NOT going to win only 33 games. Heck we might have done that LAST YEAR if LB wasn't messing around and we didn't have injuries. I don't think there's a chance in the world that we win so few games.

1. We have even more talent and better yet ROLE PLAYERS
2. Our returning young players are a year older and stronger and so far look improved
3. We have a coach who truly wants this team to win and the players actually LIKE HIM.
4. We have a coach that can coach offense and defense as opposed to one who can only coach defense and has almost never made a team better offensively. Why is this important, cuz we have a primarily offensive team. You can't get this team to win if its not gonna score big. sure we want more D, but in truth offense is gonna be our best weapon.
5. Most everyone is back and the chemistry should be good from the start.
6. Starbury will be back as will Franchise. Why is that a good thing? Cuz we really need those guys to do what they do best and take the pressure off the other guys. Isiah's system is made for players like them. Both guys were held back last year and they clearly can do more. With Isiah's uptempo offense there will be more possessions per game and this will help to keep everyone happy.

42-47 wins this year is more realistic IMO.
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8/17/2006  11:19 AM
Posted by nixluva:

OK Chad made some decent points, but he failed to recognize what this team went into the offseason needing. He's like a lot of analysts who just parachute in and don't really know what is going on with the team. For one thing this team has a lot of 1st rd draft picks and 5 of them have come in the last 2 years. No mention of that HUGE fact when bashing the team as a whole.

I don't think he's got a clue as to what this team needed. Jared is a VERY good signing not due to any stats, but for the very reason that he helps the teams chemistry. Even Chad admits that this team has TALENT, but he missed the target when he didn't mention that Isiah went for chemistry and defense bigtime this offseason, as opposed to what he might usually have done in the past.

This team is NOT going to win only 33 games. Heck we might have done that LAST YEAR if LB wasn't messing around and we didn't have injuries. I don't think there's a chance in the world that we win so few games.

1. We have even more talent and better yet ROLE PLAYERS
2. Our returning young players are a year older and stronger and so far look improved
3. We have a coach who truly wants this team to win and the players actually LIKE HIM.
4. We have a coach that can coach offense and defense as opposed to one who can only coach defense and has almost never made a team better offensively. Why is this important, cuz we have a primarily offensive team. You can't get this team to win if its not gonna score big. sure we want more D, but in truth offense is gonna be our best weapon.
5. Most everyone is back and the chemistry should be good from the start.
6. Starbury will be back as will Franchise. Why is that a good thing? Cuz we really need those guys to do what they do best and take the pressure off the other guys. Isiah's system is made for players like them. Both guys were held back last year and they clearly can do more. With Isiah's uptempo offense there will be more possessions per game and this will help to keep everyone happy.

42-47 wins this year is more realistic IMO.

Its my impression that your a true dyed in the wool fan whos belief is stronger than objectivity!

Good for you, and being a fan is like that!

THe reasons you give may well come to fruition, but the reality is this franchise has struggled badly the last few years despite on paper being talented and the promise of Isiahs influence at many levels.

If the games were won on paper, this team talent wise should be over .500. But its won on the court.

The hating media has been more correct in seeing thru the hype better then most fans. Certainly better than the kool aid drinkers.

Lets be real, this team has fallen so low it has to be better this year and has the talent to win 50 games. The problem is, and has been having the RIGHT talent in the RIGHT places and as a GM Isiah might be the worst in history to have compiled a roster has he has.

To make matters even worse, he brings in the wrong coach for the roster, and even dumber a coach that philosphically was not even on the same page as the GM and its owner.

Isiah the coach has a better track record than Isiah the GM for sure. Isiahs teams in his 3 years mostly did well early but really came apart late in the season and crumbled in the playoffs. That seemed to be a recurring trait and may be why Bird canned him. Or at least one reason contributing.

I see no reason other than plain old hope that Franbury can exist based on the history of those two. The mentions of a Clyde-Pearl thing is silly at best. Clyde was a team first player very secure with his role and leadership of his team who was a season removed from a championship. Earl's talent was established and he was a willing player to the team game. Franbury is the polar opposite.

ITs great that Marbury is finally being more community minded and involved in the city rather than his typical Los Angeles exile to get away. Its good the larry debacle is behind us and Isiah is on the hot seat to perform.

This team is THE financial joke of the sporting world and at many levels has been an embarassement.

The Media will report what they see. If Isiah turns it around the media will glorify his contribution as it will be newsworthy.

But until then, the team will not get forvorable treatment. Nor have they earned any yet either.

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8/17/2006  12:20 PM
Nalod you're only looking at things in the recent past from the results and that's fine, but initially no one thought that LB's time here would be AS BAD as it turned out to be. Before last season, Isiah had only been on the job for 1.5 seasons!!!!!!! Lets repeat that, ONE AND A HALF SEASONS! Just what is it that he was supposed to have accomplished in such a short time? A perfect team? Heck the real problem was that we never got to see Steph and H2O play together. So Isiah switched gears and started to rebuild the team with young players. So last year he broke away from the H2O-KT era and added a good number of young players and HOF coach. I don't care how badly the players were matched with the coach, LB COULD and SHOULD have done a better job. He CLEARLY sabotaged the season to make a point. Even his best friends didn't understand what LB did. That is NOT Isiah's fault.

So now after just 2.5 seasons, Isiah has continued to improve the team and this time he's added a bunch of role players who fit into the holes in our roster and add that glue we need. So I don't see things in the way you and some others do. 2.5 seasons ago we had NOTHING to look forward to and now we have a lot to look forward to. In fairness Isiah should've only had 1.5 years of bad results on his record here. Last year should've been the start of the rebuilding process. So I TOTALLY disagree with your assessment of things.
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