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EnySpree
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8/15/2006  3:02 PM
What brought this on? All I hear from basketball fans is that the knicks need a big man. Not just here on UK, but like the thread says, the water cooler and the streets.

The knicks have curry, frye, JJ, and David lee....with Jared fitting in there somewhere. How much better can you get?

If you think the knicks can get better, then who is out there that the knicks can get right now that can help.

People use the cap and just random fury spit at isiah and dolan to use as an excuse. The knicks are what they are. They are over the cap. So with that in mind who can the knicks get that will make a difference more than the names I mentioned?

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8/15/2006  3:15 PM
You didn't hear it from me. Curry's been a disappointment so far, but there's still hope for him. Frye and Lee are both pretty good sized. They were two of the bright spots last season. Last but not least, we've got Jerome James . Nope, we're set for big men.
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8/15/2006  3:28 PM
OK, how about: "Knicks need one of their big men to play like an all-star? Or they have to go get one."
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8/15/2006  3:36 PM
Posted by Panos:

OK, how about: "Knicks need one of their big men to play like an all-star? Or they have to go get one."

Thats a fair statement. One would expect that Eddy, Channing, or Dlee will step it up a bit.

The problem that exists is (to quote Briggy) is the premiere position at SF that we don't have that 6-8 sniper go to for offense.

At the end of the game at go to time the best we seem to have is chucker Craw. Marbs seems to turn to mush, Stevie no arch shot is not reliable, and channing can't put it on the floor.

No Ewing type player to go to, nor an Allan Houstan to hit it outside.

We don't need a big man, we need someone to step it up.

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8/15/2006  3:38 PM
There is no help coming. We HAVE to get better from within. It will have to be Curry, Frye, Jared and Lee. Also its not really going to be a case of one guy being an All Star, but more like All of them playing at a higher level. That's a more realistic approach to what we can do this year.

I like our chances this year of seeing a big improvement from the Bigs on our team. i think the timing is just right. The young guys are more confident and Curry will be on a mission to show what he can really do. We know he's been working in the off season and that's already better than last off season.
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8/15/2006  6:53 PM
Posted by nixluva:

... and Curry will be on a mission to show what he can really do.

That's wishful thinking. I pray its true. But if the season starts and the first three games he has 2 offensive fouls
in the first quarter, I'll be disappointed.
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8/15/2006  8:12 PM
guys let's be real. i love the knicks. but eddy curry sucks. has always sucked. and shows no signs of ever not sucking.
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8/15/2006  9:04 PM
I dont get how people can say that so and so will definately come out and prove anyone wrong. It'd be one thing if that player has been good in the past and is coming off a down year but for anyone to say that Eddy Curry is going to come out and perform like the beast he should be is in severe denial. Sure Eddy Curry has all the potential in the world but the fact is that he's a lazy player who is not interested in doing ANYTHING other than camping out taking a dribble and dunking the ball. Defense isn't in the cards for Curry, neither are rebounding and hustle.

What makes anyone think that Eddy Curry is out to prove anyone wrong? He's got his gigantic contract, what does he already got to prove? He's already paid, he's taking it to the bank. I hope that Curry is a changed man but thats all you can say is that you HOPE that he's a changed man. For anyone to say that he's going to be on a mission to come out and perform well is in severe denial or hasn't seen him play the years he was on the Bulls. I guarentee if you ask any Bulls fan they would say watching Curry last year was like Groundhog Day from the previous 4 years.
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8/15/2006  9:07 PM
The things that I find very funny is when people say it's very probable that Eddy Curry can put up 22/8 this upcoming year and play some solid defense. Based on what??? Him stealing Patrick Ewing's soul? Hell, if he steals Ewing's soul, I bet he could put up 25/11/2 and be top 5 in the running for MVP. Unfortunately, I don't recall if Eddy had soul stealing powers. Hmmm...
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8/15/2006  9:43 PM
The Knicks need a big man, a little man, a young man, and an old man.
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8/15/2006  10:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Knicks need a big man, a little man, a young man, and an old man.

Hmmm, let's break this down...

Needs:
a big man

The Knicks
a little man

Michael Jackson
a young man

The village people?
an old man

Anna Nicole Smith?

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8/15/2006  11:44 PM
I don't have much hope for Curry. He's a turnover waiting to happen. And he doesn't do much on d.
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8/15/2006  11:54 PM
I think that the Knicks have been so bad for so long that the casual fan is unaware of the stockpile of young big men that they have. I think the Knicks need a team first point guard that can develop the young talent.
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8/16/2006  12:11 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

What brought this on? All I hear from basketball fans is that the knicks need a big man. Not just here on UK, but like the thread says, the water cooler and the streets.

The knicks have curry, frye, JJ, and David lee....with Jared fitting in there somewhere. How much better can you get?

If you think the knicks can get better, then who is out there that the knicks can get right now that can help.

People use the cap and just random fury spit at isiah and dolan to use as an excuse. The knicks are what they are. They are over the cap. So with that in mind who can the knicks get that will make a difference more than the names I mentioned?

We don't really truely have an effective big man when you think about it and there are guys out there that are more qualified, but we just can't get them here. Frye is a pretty good 'foreward' and not a center. Plain and simple. Remember when we tried to make Kurt Thomas and Camby center's? Kurt was a pretty good foreward, and Camby was a stick in the middle who got injured too much. Geez' I wonder why! I'm not exactly sure what Lee has to do with big man talk. JJ is a complete joke and I don't trust him to do anything different this year. Curry showed the best signs towards the end of the season and Jackie Butler would have been a great back up to Curry, but that's considering if Curry has finally figured it all out. Jeffries? We don't even know how he's going to fit in yet. I can't even think of him being a big man in the middle if he's listed as a guard! Curry and JJ are the closest things that we have to a center at this point. The point is, and this is only if Curry comes through, if JJ is useless and Curry goes down' for whatever reason? Then we are screwed and that is a huge key to our upcoming season!

Having the 'correct position players' is the way to avoid injuries and I hope we don't start getting into the habit of forcing guys to play out of position again. If the Knicks are what the Knicks are (as you stated), then we are in poor shape and should look for much, much better, but that's a whole noth'a story.
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8/16/2006  1:24 AM
So....again if the knicks suck so bad then who is out there that's available?

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8/16/2006  8:01 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

So....again if the knicks suck so bad then who is out there that's available?


Maybe nobody for what we have to offer. That's the kind of bind we're in.
We either need to get better from within or wait 3 years for some of these contracts to blow over.
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8/16/2006  8:14 AM
BTW, I do think we could possibly get KG for the right package -- MAYBE.
But we'd have to give them all our young bright spots and probably take
back more bad contracts.
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8/16/2006  2:18 PM
Posted by Panos:

BTW, I do think we could possibly get KG for the right package -- MAYBE.
But we'd have to give them all our young bright spots and probably take
back more bad contracts.

KG is the obvious guy but we know mchale is gonna rape kg till his contracts up.

My point is that a lot of these blow hards like to shout the knicks need a big man and then you ask them the simple question, "who?" and they usually get mad or try to change the subject to the team needing to play defense. Then they say Larry brown couldn't do it so what is isiah gonna do.
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The knicks have decent big men. Isiah hasn't gotten results but the dude has tried to get young bigmen. These guys are up and coming still.
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8/16/2006  2:40 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Panos:

BTW, I do think we could possibly get KG for the right package -- MAYBE.
But we'd have to give them all our young bright spots and probably take
back more bad contracts.

KG is the obvious guy but we know mchale is gonna rape kg till his contracts up.

My point is that a lot of these blow hards like to shout the knicks need a big man and then you ask them the simple question, "who?" and they usually get mad or try to change the subject to the team needing to play defense. Then they say Larry brown couldn't do it so what is isiah gonna do.
Wanna talk gay robot? These are your gay robots.

The knicks have decent big men. Isiah hasn't gotten results but the dude has tried to get young bigmen. These guys are up and coming still.

I think the point being that the type of big man we need is the ones we can't acquire because we haven't put ourselves into the position to do so. So, the best we can do is with what we've acquired through the draft and through trade. Not bad, but obviously, "not bad" doesn't win you championships in the NBA. Had we made a play to get under the cap, maybe Ben Wallace would've been a possibility. See, the gripe isn't about who we *could* get today, it's who we *could've* gotten with some better cap and personnel management. Right now, we have Curry, Frye and Lee. Fine. With some better management, maybe we'd have Ben Wallace, Tyrus Thomas, a shot at Greg Oden PLUS either Frye or Bynum.
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8/16/2006  3:36 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Panos:

BTW, I do think we could possibly get KG for the right package -- MAYBE.
But we'd have to give them all our young bright spots and probably take
back more bad contracts.

KG is the obvious guy but we know mchale is gonna rape kg till his contracts up.

My point is that a lot of these blow hards like to shout the knicks need a big man and then you ask them the simple question, "who?" and they usually get mad or try to change the subject to the team needing to play defense. Then they say Larry brown couldn't do it so what is isiah gonna do.
Wanna talk gay robot? These are your gay robots.

The knicks have decent big men. Isiah hasn't gotten results but the dude has tried to get young bigmen. These guys are up and coming still.

I think the point being that the type of big man we need is the ones we can't acquire because we haven't put ourselves into the position to do so. So, the best we can do is with what we've acquired through the draft and through trade. Not bad, but obviously, "not bad" doesn't win you championships in the NBA. Had we made a play to get under the cap, maybe Ben Wallace would've been a possibility. See, the gripe isn't about who we *could* get today, it's who we *could've* gotten with some better cap and personnel management. Right now, we have Curry, Frye and Lee. Fine. With some better management, maybe we'd have Ben Wallace, Tyrus Thomas, a shot at Greg Oden PLUS either Frye or Bynum.

I could live with that statement solace.

Knicks have been over the cap since ewing. We've had plenty of chances to get under the cap, isiah is just here at a time where its hasn't worked for years and now he is getting flap for it.

Getting frye, Jared and curry out there playing in a system that fits them rather than them trying to fit a system is gonna bring some sucsess. No one can say different cuz the season hasn't started.

I just think the knicks have good up and coming big men. I just wish people out there would stop stating the obvious when they have no clue how to truly solve it right now. No one can expect to get amare, or brand for Nate Robinson, malik and a kinky shower fight.

On paper the knicks look good. Hopefully this year with the things looking like they will be on the same page, the knicks should be fine.
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