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This will get under someone's skin: NBA rookie rankings (from summer league play)
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martin
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8/15/2006  12:09 PM
http://www.nba.com/rookie_rankings/

don't know what the criteria really is....

1. RANDY FOYE, G, MINNESOTA
2. BRANDON ROY, G, PORTLAND
3. ADAM MORRISON, F, CHARLOTTE
4. MARCUS WILLIAMS, G, NEW JERSEY
5. TYRUS THOMAS, F, CHICAGO
6. RONNIE BREWER, G, UTAH
7. ANDREA BARGNANI, F, TORONTO
8. MAURICE AGER, G, DALLAS
9. JORDAN FARMAR, G, LOS ANGELES LAKERS
10. LaMARCUS ALDRIDGE, F, PORTLAND
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8/15/2006  12:12 PM
Isn't this like 6 weeks old? I thought it was already posted and discussed here.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-15-2006 12:13 PM]
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Full article

1. RANDY FOYE, G, MINNESOTA
MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
32.8 24.8 4.2 2.2 2.2 0.4 .530 .375 .868

Foye took league MVP honors at the Vegas Summer League, averaging 24.8 points on .530 shooting in five games, while bringing tears to the eyes of Minnesota homer and NBA TV's Rick Kamla. Foye was virtually unstoppable, showing "star-like quality" according to ESPN.com's Brian Windhorst and getting to the hole whenever he wanted.


2. BRANDON ROY, G, PORTLAND
MPG 	PPG 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT%
26.4 19.0 3.4 3.6 0.6 0.4 .647 .667 .694

In Vegas, Roy averaged 19.0 points, 3.4 rebounds and 3.6 assists while shooting incredible .647 from the field in five games. According to Kamla, Roy "has a vibe, a poise, and an aura that screams star."


3. ADAM MORRISON, F, CHARLOTTE
MPG 	PPG 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT%
29.2 24.6 2.6 2.0 0.2 0.4 .398 .286 .925

Morrison lit up the Pepsi Pro Summer League to the tune of 24.6 points per game, getting to the line over 10 times per contest. However, he collected just 13 rebounds and one steal in nearly 146 minutes, giving Roy the edge at No. 2.


4. MARCUS WILLIAMS, G, NEW JERSEY
MPG 	PPG 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT%
32.4 16.6 3.4 9.3 1.0 0.2 .456 .556 .840

Williams may indeed be worthy of the label of Jason Kidd's future successor at point guard. Averaging 16.6 points and 9.3 assists, and knocking down 10-of-18 three-pointers in Orlando, NBA brass walked away quite impressed.


5. TYRUS THOMAS, F, CHICAGO
MPG 	PPG 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT%
27.0 16.2 7.0 2.1 1.0 1.4 .444 .167 .632

Thomas was among the top players in Orlando's Pepsi Pro Summer League, averaging 16.2 points, 7.0 rebounds, 2.2 assists and 1.4 blocks. He saw action at small forward as well as the four spot, drew fouls, crashed the offensive glass, and made his presence felt with his outstanding athleticism and energy.


6. RONNIE BREWER, G, UTAH
MPG 	PPG 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT%
25.5 16.0 2.7 1.8 1.6 0.5 .563 .667 .710

It didnt matter he came off the bench four of six games. Brewer finished third in the Rocky Mountain Revue in scoring (16.0 ppg) and field goal percentage (.563), and fourth in steals (1.7). He was named to the All-Revue team.


7. ANDREA BARGNANI, F, TORONTO
MPG 	PPG 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT%
26.2 13.2 3.8 0.6 0.4 1.0 .467 .353 .857

Bargnani wasn't "the man" in Italy, nor did he try to be that guy in Vegas. Nevertheless, Bargnani put up respectable numbers, including a pair of 20-plus point performances. If it wasn't for an eight-minute game in his final performance, his averages would be higher.


8. MAURICE AGER, G, DALLAS
MPG 	PPG 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT%
31.0 20.0 0.7 1.0 0.0 0.0 .444 .471 .800

Ager played three games in Vegas and finished fifth in the league in scoring (20.0 ppg). Unfortunately, that's all he really did on the stat sheet, and for that reason, you don't see his name higher on this list.


9. JORDAN FARMAR, G, LOS ANGELES LAKERS
MPG 	PPG 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT%
31.3 16.1 3.0 4.4 1.7 0.3 .520 .261 .725

Farmar was the Lakers' go-to guy at the Southern California Summer Pro League, and he responded with a 16.1 points per game scoring average on .520 field goal percentage. Throw in 4.4 assists per game for good measure and you have a point guard who could compete for playing time on the Lakers next season.


10. LaMARCUS ALDRIDGE, F, PORTLAND
MPG 	PPG 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT%
33.0 11.6 6.6 2.2 1.0 1.8 .479 .000 .867

Aldridge's stat line in Vegas won't blow you away, but his overall performance there was solid nonetheless. His best game was his last: 19 points, nine rebounds and four blocks vs. the Suns. He tied for second in the league in blocks (1.8 bpg).



NOTEWORTHY


In Vegas, Rockets forward Steve Novak posted 16.0 points and 4.4 rebounds per game. ... Cleveland guard Shannon Brown, seeing action at point guard, posted 14.0 points on .500 shooting, 2.4 rebounds and 2.0 assists per game. ... New Orleans/Oklahoma City forward Hilton Armstrong recorded 12.7 points and 6.3 rebounds per game in three outings. ... Boston point guard Rajon Rondo did just about everything: 10.4 points on .564 shooting, 4.0 rebounds, 5.8 assists and 2.2 steals. ... Detroit center Cheikh Samb showed promise with a 1.8 blocks per game average. ... Kings guard Quincy Douby tallied 13.3 points per game while undrafted teammate Louis Amundson registered 10.4 points, 7.8 rebounds and 1.4 blocks. ... Celtics undrafted free agent Allan Ray poured in 14.4 points in 25.2 minutes per game. ... Warriors big man Patrick O'Bryant averaged 9.6 points, 4.2 rebounds and 1.4 blocks while often finding himself in foul trouble.

At the Rocky Mountain Revue, Seattle center Saer Sene led the league with 3.75 blocks per game. ... Sixers Rodney Carney and undrafted free agent Steven Smith averaged 16.7 points and 15.7 points per game, respectively. Smith and Jazz forward Paul Millsap earned All-Tournament honors. Millsap averaged 9.5 points and 9.0 rebounds per game.

At the Southern California Summer League, Lakers rookie guard J.R. Pinnock posted an impressive 14.0 points, 8.0 rebounds and 3.4 assists per game. ... Memphis saw flashes out of their three rookies: guard Kyle Lowry (19 points, 8 rebounds vs. the Wizards), center Alexander Johnson (25 points and 13 rebounds vs. the Mavs), forward Rudy Gay (21 points and 10 against vs. the Mavs).

In Orlando at the Pepsi Pro Summer League, Bulls swingman Thabo Sefolosha averaged 16.0 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.5 steals and 2.0 assists per game in two contests. ... Indiana guard James White had a solid showing as well, averaging 12.4 points and converting 5-of-8 three-pointers and 25-of-28 free throws. ... Nets center Josh Boone averaged 7.8 rebounds and 2.0 blocks per game.
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8/15/2006  12:17 PM
Anyone of those guys would have looked nice in a Knicks uniform. Too bad Isiah traded away our lotto pick for absolutely no reason. Wish them all nice careers, maybe they can come to New York when their old and washed up. Actually they probably will if Isiah is still GM
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8/15/2006  12:23 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Anyone of those guys would have looked nice in a Knicks uniform. Too bad Isiah traded away our lotto pick for absolutely no reason. Wish them all nice careers, maybe they can come to New York when their old and washed up. Actually they probably will if Isiah is still GM

I still find it hard to believe that the Knicks were in the position to have the 2nd pick overrall. Worst coaching job ever. Not bashing just overstating the obvious.
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8/15/2006  12:27 PM
we didnt need pick 2 to take Marucs Williams. I don't know about many here, but I would prefer Tyrus Thomas, our next year #1, Mike Sweetney and Marcus Williams[and the 99.999999999999999% likelihood we couldve had Balkman[if thats who they wanted at 29} instead of Curry and Mardy Collins.


We couldve had Frye at C with Lee Tyrus Thomas and Sweetney as fourth cog. But the best gig is we'd also have Marcus Williams as out future starting PG only 20 years old who can play right now AND we still have our ODEN chip. Trade Sweetney mid year to a team looking for a 4 going to the playoffs for a pick, and you have SEVERAL great choices next year to REALLY improve the team.
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8/15/2006  12:31 PM
I have a feeling no one will offer one new thought on this thread even if there are around 200 replies.
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8/15/2006  12:32 PM
forget what the bulls did prior to paxson, paxson has methodically and under adveristy--losing j williams curry and crawford built his team back up in 3 years only overpaying 1 time, but the guy they overpaid for has been a main cog in teams that won championships and final apperances.


were always trying to find a shortcut and while WE MAY get LUCKY in the EAST becaue I think there are some teams alreasy set on tanking for Oden, it still doesnt change the overkill--lack of DD and rediculous management.
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8/15/2006  12:35 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we didnt need pick 2 to take Marucs Williams. I don't know about many here, but I would prefer Tyrus Thomas, our next year #1, Mike Sweetney and Marcus Williams[and the 99.999999999999999% likelihood we couldve had Balkman[if thats who they wanted at 29} instead of Curry and Mardy Collins.


We couldve had Frye at C with Lee Tyrus Thomas and Sweetney as fourth cog. But the best gig is we'd also have Marcus Williams as out future starting PG only 20 years old who can play right now AND we still have our ODEN chip. Trade Sweetney mid year to a team looking for a 4 going to the playoffs for a pick, and you have SEVERAL great choices next year to REALLY improve the team.

Still can't believe the Knicks were in the position to get the number 2 pick. The worst coaching job ever, not bashing just can't get past the wasted season.
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8/15/2006  12:43 PM
Lowry, Alexander Johnson, and Marcus Williams, one of them should be a knick, even shannon brown
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8/15/2006  1:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we didnt need pick 2 to take Marucs Williams. I don't know about many here, but I would prefer Tyrus Thomas, our next year #1, Mike Sweetney and Marcus Williams[and the 99.999999999999999% likelihood we couldve had Balkman[if thats who they wanted at 29} instead of Curry and Mardy Collins.


We couldve had Frye at C with Lee Tyrus Thomas and Sweetney as fourth cog. But the best gig is we'd also have Marcus Williams as out future starting PG only 20 years old who can play right now AND we still have our ODEN chip. Trade Sweetney mid year to a team looking for a 4 going to the playoffs for a pick, and you have SEVERAL great choices next year to REALLY improve the team.

omg you would give up mardy collins like that!?!?!?
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8/15/2006  1:05 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

forget what the bulls did prior to paxson, paxson has methodically and under adveristy--losing j williams curry and crawford built his team back up in 3 years only overpaying 1 time, but the guy they overpaid for has been a main cog in teams that won championships and final apperances.


were always trying to find a shortcut and while WE MAY get LUCKY in the EAST becaue I think there are some teams alreasy set on tanking for Oden, it still doesnt change the overkill--lack of DD and rediculous management.


excuse me you're calling that adversity?!?!?!
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8/15/2006  1:12 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I have a feeling no one will offer one new thought on this thread even if there are around 200 replies.

Here's a new thought: I think the Curry trade was a smart one. Not saying that in hindsight I'd do it again, just that I think it was the right thing to do, even if today it doesn't necessarily look so great.

Curry has the potential to be a monster big man, unstopable force on the post. Sure, he may never reach that potential. But from where the Knicks were, you don't get a shot at a young guy who could become a dominating big man, a guy who could make a difference in building a championship team, w/o taking a risk.

We all thought the risk was his health and his drive. First one seems less concerning today than it did a year ago; second one still up in the air. It's also now clear that the draft picks we gave up were more significant than we thought at the time ... but who could have predicted how bad we'd be? It looked like the draft would be a weak one (probably will still turn out to be weak) in which we'd be giving up a mid-level 1st round pick. BFD. Plus Sweets. Seems like not too much to give for a swing at the fences.

I'm also fed up with the argument that the draft picks should have been lottery-protected. Deal may well never have happened if we'd insisted on protection. We weren't negotiating it, so we can't really know, but it seems unlikely that IT just threw in lottery protection for the hell of it.
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8/15/2006  1:35 PM
Posted by bernard:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I have a feeling no one will offer one new thought on this thread even if there are around 200 replies.

Here's a new thought: I think the Curry trade was a smart one. Not saying that in hindsight I'd do it again, just that I think it was the right thing to do, even if today it doesn't necessarily look so great.

Curry has the potential to be a monster big man, unstopable force on the post. Sure, he may never reach that potential. But from where the Knicks were, you don't get a shot at a young guy who could become a dominating big man, a guy who could make a difference in building a championship team, w/o taking a risk.

We all thought the risk was his health and his drive. First one seems less concerning today than it did a year ago; second one still up in the air. It's also now clear that the draft picks we gave up were more significant than we thought at the time ... but who could have predicted how bad we'd be? It looked like the draft would be a weak one (probably will still turn out to be weak) in which we'd be giving up a mid-level 1st round pick. BFD. Plus Sweets. Seems like not too much to give for a swing at the fences.

I'm also fed up with the argument that the draft picks should have been lottery-protected. Deal may well never have happened if we'd insisted on protection. We weren't negotiating it, so we can't really know, but it seems unlikely that IT just threw in lottery protection for the hell of it.
then why cant you walk away? Why cant you just say Eddie isnt worth the risk this deal puts on my franchise... sorry.

What was public was the only other offer out there was the Laker's who were offering 1/3 of the money the Knicks were willing to pay Curry. Remember, this was a sign and trade, so the agent was involved at every stage.

I hate the Curry trade, but I like the player. We just gave up too much. And yes.. Mardy Collins was a waste

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8/15/2006  1:35 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Isn't this like 6 weeks old? I thought it was already posted and discussed here.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-15-2006 12:13 PM]

Gay Robotic snit.



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8/15/2006  1:53 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Isn't this like 6 weeks old? I thought it was already posted and discussed here.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-15-2006 12:13 PM]

Gay Robotic snit.

You're getting too predictable. You're just recycling. You're bright enough to do better!
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8/15/2006  1:57 PM
Isn't this like 6 weeks old? I thought it was already posted and discussed here.
I have a feeling no one will offer one new thought on this thread even if there are around 200 replies.
e getting too predictable. You're just recycling. You're bright enough to do better!

has there ever been a forum more in need of an ignore feature?
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8/15/2006  1:58 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Isn't this like 6 weeks old? I thought it was already posted and discussed here.
I have a feeling no one will offer one new thought on this thread even if there are around 200 replies.
e getting too predictable. You're just recycling. You're bright enough to do better!

has there ever been a forum more in need of an ignore feature?
Has there ever been a more childish poster than Fish? You're just trying to start a flame war. Get over yourself. I hope you're not like this in real life.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-15-2006 1:59 PM]
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8/15/2006  2:11 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I have a feeling no one will offer one new thought on this thread even if there are around 200 replies.

Case in point?
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8/15/2006  2:42 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I have a feeling no one will offer one new thought on this thread even if there are around 200 replies.

Case in point?
This will get under someone's skin: NBA rookie rankings (from summer league play)

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