When a pessimist(like say Fishmike or TMS or Martin or Allanfan-Who we all hate by the way) says we need to get rid of some guys to create balance and better chemistry they are pessimists who hate the knicks, aren't real fans and need to root for the Nets.

When Isiah comes on and says the exact same thing, he is a "genious with a plan"

i only hate players who have cornrows.

people who post excessive smileys have low forum IQ, Bip... remember that

oh, & you're a racist.

[Edited by - TMS on 08-09-2006 1:29 PM]

I hate categories. Y'all can just refer to me as "The man, the myth, the legend".

Posted by joec32033:

I hate categories. Y'all can just refer to me as "The man, the myth, the legend".

I'd like to be in that group too.

Optimists live longer.

I think what's closer to the truth is that the "optimists" don't read half the posts and as soon as they read one negative thing they make assumptions and lump that person into a category without taking into account what the person says.

I know most of the people here. There are people that I don't agree with on the state of the Knicks. They are truly down on the situation. They may hate eveythinga bout it. On some levels I agree and on others I don't. Instead of being a baby about it, I read the post and discuss/debate/argue with them about their point of view. Maybe they change my mind, maybe I change theirs. But if I simply cast them off and respond to their posting by calling them a pessimist and not a fan and move on to people that only agree with me than what's the point.

Rvhoss I've been posting with you for a little while now. Maybe I odn't understand your points or your personality. But I've found that we agree in some areas, are very close in others and are way off in others. We should be compatible and able to debate like adults. But you are one of the people that immediately lump everyone you refer to into these categories. Nothing more annoying than posting something and then have someone come on and argue with you, saying you don't think a certain way whne you just said you think that way two posts before. It's odd and a waste of time. I've had a conversation with everyone here but a few. There are one or two that I've literally never had a conversation with. If I disagree with them they call me a name. If I agree with them, they say I don't believe what I just wrote and call me a name. Where does this come from? I don't get it. Maybe it's just me.

The funny thing is that Islesfan and I have been at odds for years as to what is wrong with the state of the knicks. He says it's Isiah. I have always said that it started before Isiah. That it's am indset that we are trying to get rid of. We are not in agreement at all. Yet somehow guys like hoss and a couple others have lumped me into some group. Why not just read the posts and respond accordingly. Why lump?

Anyway, I'm not here to tell you how to post. I just find it a shame that it has become physically impossible to have anything reomotely resembling a basketball conversation. Misterearl and I disagree with each other(he seems to be in your "optimist camp-there we go with the silly lables) and yet we can actually have a conversation. I'm just waiting for the day. But honestly I don't know why I respond unless it's a basketball related issue. I guess that's my fault.

It's hard to be optimistic about anything this franchise does when you have players like Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose, Mo Taylor, Jerome James, Eddy Curry on this roster. Whats the common-demoninator with all those guys? Career-Underachievers. Why should be excited about a team of underachievers?

It's also hard to let statements like these go unchallenged.

Posted by nyk4everWhenTheyAreGood:

It's hard to be optimistic about anything this franchise does when you have players like Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose, Mo Taylor, Jerome James, Eddy Curry on this roster. Whats the common-demoninator with all those guys? Career-Underachievers. Why should be excited about a team of underachievers?

Marbury, love it or leave it
francis, time will tell
Jrose, expiring
MTaylor, expiring
JJ1, ask fish (but let's see where he's at this year)
Curry, now you're just being a baby

So, you say these 6 you can't get excited for, I say these 9 you can:
crawford, nate, collins, jeffries, balkman, lee, frye, Qrich (if he's here)

So, after this year, you will only hate no more than 4 players, and I'm putting money on curry and JJ giving us what we expect (jj btw is 6pts, 6rbs, 6 fouls)

You must be from Queens because those are the only people that have a right to hate marbury no matter what.

And Francis...well, before last year I jocked his game. Maybe you need to do what I do, blame last year on Larry and move on.

Posted by rvhoss:

It's also hard to let statements like these go unchallenged.

Posted by nyk4everWhenTheyAreGood:

It's hard to be optimistic about anything this franchise does when you have players like Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose, Mo Taylor, Jerome James, Eddy Curry on this roster. Whats the common-demoninator with all those guys? Career-Underachievers. Why should be excited about a team of underachievers?

Marbury, love it or leave it
francis, time will tell
Jrose, expiring
MTaylor, expiring
JJ1, ask fish (but let's see where he's at this year)
Curry, now you're just being a baby

So, you say these 6 you can't get excited for, I say these 9 you can:
crawford, nate, collins, jeffries, balkman, lee, frye, Qrich (if he's here)

So, after this year, you will only hate no more than 4 players, and I'm putting money on curry and JJ giving us what we expect (jj btw is 6pts, 6rbs, 6 fouls)

You must be from Queens because those are the only people that have a right to hate marbury no matter what.

And Francis...well, before last year I jocked his game. Maybe you need to do what I do, blame last year on Larry and move on.

Of course.... why lump the whole team as underschivers???? Didn't somebody above say that was "bad ummmmmmm kay"????


[Edited by - Anji on 08-09-2006 6:31 PM]

Posted by rvhoss:

It's also hard to let statements like these go unchallenged.

Posted by nyk4everWhenTheyAreGood:

It's hard to be optimistic about anything this franchise does when you have players like Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose, Mo Taylor, Jerome James, Eddy Curry on this roster. Whats the common-demoninator with all those guys? Career-Underachievers. Why should be excited about a team of underachievers?

Marbury, love it or leave it
francis, time will tell
Jrose, expiring
MTaylor, expiring
JJ1, ask fish (but let's see where he's at this year)
Curry, now you're just being a baby

So, you say these 6 you can't get excited for, I say these 9 you can:
crawford, nate, collins, jeffries, balkman, lee, frye, Qrich (if he's here)

So, after this year, you will only hate no more than 4 players, and I'm putting money on curry and JJ giving us what we expect (jj btw is 6pts, 6rbs, 6 fouls)

You must be from Queens because those are the only people that have a right to hate marbury no matter what.

And Francis...well, before last year I jocked his game. Maybe you need to do what I do, blame last year on Larry and move on.

You are the biggest joke of a poster on this board. Why don't you just keep my name out of your mouth, I'm tired of constantly reading about your childish crap that you constantly spew about me, you don't have ANY original ideas all you do is latch onto what others are saying who are drinking the same kool-aid as you. Keep my name out of your posts, I got nothing to say to you and your tainted view of the Knicks. Why don't you go run away now like you always do when the kitchen gets to hot and too many people are bitching about you.

http://home.comcast.net/~deamon20/Knicks.htm

By the way, the Knicks haven't been good in years so calling me Nyk4everonlywhentheyaregood doesn't really work.