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8/8/2006  6:30 PM
People keep on talking about how Jeffries does not score that much but the truth is, we don't need him to score. We are stacked with scorers on this team. Almost everyone on this team can drop a good 20 points if they got playing time and touches. Balkman and Jeffries are different. All we need for them to do is play solid defense and make hustle plays. If Jeffries gets 1 block a game, 7 rebounds, and a steal I wil be content.
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8/8/2006  6:35 PM
I would be happier if JJ-2 averaged 7 assist then 7 points......or 7 boards. I don't thik he has to score at all, but the way the quick offense appears to work I think he will have a breakout year and average 10 points per game just on Layups alone.
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8/8/2006  8:32 PM
Posted by Anji:

I think he will have a breakout year and average 10 points per game just on Layups alone.

You sure about that? On the 2004-05 Phoenix Suns, Amare Stoudemire averaged 11.3ppg on layups, dunks, tips, and other shots close to the rim. So unless you think Jeffries' offensive production in the paint will match Stoudemire's on that Suns team, you might want to ramp your expectations down a notch or twelve.
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8/8/2006  8:37 PM
Eh, does it really matter how much he scores? He whould be judged by rebounds and defense, both man to man and team/help. If he shows to be be an above average defender overall, both man to man and team, and rebounds the ball well, he would be a good fit.

We need a defensive, rebounding small forward. I personally don't think he is that, but thats just my opinion. If he proves me wrong, props to IT.
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8/8/2006  8:37 PM
nate robinson averaged 9 points per game last year. Nuff said.
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8/8/2006  8:41 PM
What does Nate have to do with this? Nate is a great scorer, thats what he was in college, he was the man on his team, along with that other short guard they had/have.
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8/8/2006  8:44 PM
nate also didn't start. 7 points is easy, what's eating you simrud..someone disagree with you in the war thread?

You got anything to say regarding the post, or are you just looking to start trouble?
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8/8/2006  8:47 PM
jalen rose averaged 12 and qRich averaged 8.

So our defacto SF's averaged 10 ppg and they played on a crappy team and arguably played like crap...I never thought of jj2 as a starter, but it's looking more an more like he is going to be one.

I think he will average 10.
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8/8/2006  8:48 PM
Man, I even said I'd give IT props if Jeffires plays good D. Don't know how you can interpret my posts on this thread as starting trouble.

I just don't think Nate is a good comparison to Jeffires as far as scoring. How can you compare a combo guard whose main objective is to score when he is the game, to a SF who is supposed to be a defensive role player? Nate scored 9pts cause he shot the ball more than Jeffries will ever shoot, even as a starter.
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8/8/2006  8:53 PM
JJ does not need to score. Just defend, pass, rebound and fit in.
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8/8/2006  9:12 PM
sorry sim. it was more a comparison of a player used in a herky jerky fashion still managing to get 12 ppg.

Like I said, I never knew jeffries was going to be our defacto starter, I always thought QRich was that guy, but with him starting now, and a back court rotation of craw/marbs/francis and a front court of curry/frye/lee I see no reason he shouldn't average 7 ppg.

on the wizards, they had three scorers that shot MORE than marbs and company, and he averaged what, 5 ppg. One more basket and it's 7.

In the offense we are running, he should get 10 ppg no worries. barring injury.

Even playing 24 ppg.
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8/8/2006  9:13 PM
oh, and I wanted to apologize again sim. no hard feelings.

I gotta go put fishy in his place in another thread.
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8/8/2006  9:31 PM
"I've wanted Jared since the first day I got here," said Thomas. "He was one of the players that, when I talked about the versatility I wanted in my guys, I always had my eye on. He, Channing Frye, Eddy Curry, David Lee, those type of athletes, those type of players, that type of personality are the guys you're moving forward with. Now, with Jeffries, you can kind of see where we're going with our team. Now you can see the type of players we have in place. His addition makes you see that -- and that's good for our fans, and that's good for our players and our team."

That reality in front of you is "not only 6-11, 6-11, 6-11," which in itself is important enough, "but it's really much more than that," added Thomas. "Jared is the type of player, and the type of personality, that just balances things out for us. It was true about us last year that the chemistry wasn't right. What Jared brings to us is chemistry, where he balances the locker room, balances the plane ride, he is the chemical piece that makes everything kind of work."

"In addition, his talents and his skills, they speak for themselves. But his intangibles... How do you find that person? He just balances the group and makes it work."

"It's not a matter of solving a problem," added Thomas. "It's a matter of tilting everything to make it all balance. He balances the team, both a person and as a player. We are extremely lucky to have him."

"You can plug in 15 (points) and 8 (rebounds) and it may not work. And you can plug in four and six and it works. Don't ask me why. That's chemistry."
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8/8/2006  9:37 PM
Posted by misterearl:

"You can plug in 15 (points) and 8 (rebounds) and it may not work. And you can plug in four and six and it works. Don't ask me why. That's chemistry."

your students' grades in chemistry class should determine your tenure status. but it appears that you have dean dolan in your pocket so you're getting a pass either way.
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8/8/2006  9:47 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by misterearl:

"You can plug in 15 (points) and 8 (rebounds) and it may not work. And you can plug in four and six and it works. Don't ask me why. That's chemistry."

your students' grades in chemistry class should determine your tenure status. but it appears that you have dean dolan in your pocket so you're getting a pass either way.

as opposed to Larry, who was getting a pass based on reputation?

can someone tell me what in the world is wrong with a front line of:

C - Curry 6'11" - 23yrs/ 4th pick overall 2001
PF - Frye 6'11" - 23yrs/ 8th pick overall 2005
SF - Jefferies 6'11" - 24yrs/ 11th pick overall 2002

is the rebuilding still a sham? is it still a lie? or are we much younger, bigger, more athletic than when Layden was running this team into the ground? is there still no plan? or does that front court not only make sense together, but create exciting possibilities? do those players not compliment each other? or do they consist of one of the true post up centers in the league, one of the best shooting big men in the league and a hustling, defensive SF who can cover 4 positions and handle the ball? oh, yeah, I forget, coming off the bench are 6'9" David Lee and 6'8" Renaldo Balkman, both of whom can rebound, defend, run the break, pass and finish. that young, huge front court is complimented by some of the best penetration guards in the league. I'm sorry - what's the problem?

If you say 23 wins last year, I agree. But we both know the answer to that is Isiah's actual big mistake - hiring Larry Brown. Otherwise, we have a young, versatile, exciting lineup.

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8/8/2006  9:57 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by misterearl:

"You can plug in 15 (points) and 8 (rebounds) and it may not work. And you can plug in four and six and it works. Don't ask me why. That's chemistry."

your students' grades in chemistry class should determine your tenure status. but it appears that you have dean dolan in your pocket so you're getting a pass either way.

as opposed to Larry, who was getting a pass based on reputation?

can someone tell me what in the world is wrong with a front line of:

C - Curry 6'11" - 23yrs/ 4th pick overall 2001
PF - Frye 6'11" - 23yrs/ 8th pick overall 2005
SF - Jefferies 6'11" - 24yrs/ 11th pick overall 2002

is the rebuilding still a sham? is it still a lie? or are we much younger, bigger, more athletic than when Layden was running this team into the ground? is there still no plan? or does that front court not only make sense together, but create exciting possibilities? do those players not compliment each other? or do they consist of one of the true post up centers in the league, one of the best shooting big men in the league and a hustling, defensive SF who can cover 4 positions and handle the ball? oh, yeah, I forget, coming off the bench are 6'9" David Lee and 6'8" Renaldo Balkman, both of whom can rebound, defend, run the break, pass and finish. that young, huge front court is complimented by some of the best penetration guards in the league. I'm sorry - what's the problem?

If you say 23 wins last year, I agree. But we both know the answer to that is Isiah's actual big mistake - hiring Larry Brown. Otherwise, we have a young, versatile, exciting lineup.

yeah maybe. but hasn't that been the deal every year with isiah? have any of his maybe's worked out yet? what are you basing your faith that they're going tok work out this year on? maybe all that money could have been spent on a franchise player. who would have given the team identity. and then all the young promising players could have been placed around him. what is this team built on and where is it going?
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8/8/2006  10:03 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by misterearl:

"You can plug in 15 (points) and 8 (rebounds) and it may not work. And you can plug in four and six and it works. Don't ask me why. That's chemistry."

your students' grades in chemistry class should determine your tenure status. but it appears that you have dean dolan in your pocket so you're getting a pass either way.

as opposed to Larry, who was getting a pass based on reputation?

can someone tell me what in the world is wrong with a front line of:

C - Curry 6'11" - 23yrs/ 4th pick overall 2001
PF - Frye 6'11" - 23yrs/ 8th pick overall 2005
SF - Jefferies 6'11" - 24yrs/ 11th pick overall 2002

is the rebuilding still a sham? is it still a lie? or are we much younger, bigger, more athletic than when Layden was running this team into the ground? is there still no plan? or does that front court not only make sense together, but create exciting possibilities? do those players not compliment each other? or do they consist of one of the true post up centers in the league, one of the best shooting big men in the league and a hustling, defensive SF who can cover 4 positions and handle the ball? oh, yeah, I forget, coming off the bench are 6'9" David Lee and 6'8" Renaldo Balkman, both of whom can rebound, defend, run the break, pass and finish. that young, huge front court is complimented by some of the best penetration guards in the league. I'm sorry - what's the problem?

If you say 23 wins last year, I agree. But we both know the answer to that is Isiah's actual big mistake - hiring Larry Brown. Otherwise, we have a young, versatile, exciting lineup.

yeah maybe. but hasn't that been the deal every year with isiah? have any of his maybe's worked out yet? what are you basing your faith that they're going tok work out this year on? maybe all that money could have been spent on a franchise player. who would have given the team identity. and then all the young promising players could have been placed around him. what is this team built on and where is it going?

Man, I haven't posted here in like two weeks. I come back and signing Jared Jeffires is being knocked. Geezus, i've never been in the midst of such a vocal amount of whiners in my life. I mean it's like the kid that was put int he closet whenever his parents wanted to punish him. Gentlemen, Get an Effing Grip.

Knock the Marbury signing, cool. Knock the Malik signing, cool. Take issue with the LB firing (I don't), fine. Knock the Snacks sigining, oh most definitely. Hell I can even agree with holding out on the jury with the Curry signing.

But Jared Jeffires for the flipping MLE. Please.

Stop yer Whinning. Geez, Louise

[Edited by - Junkmein on 08-08-2006 10:11 PM]
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8/8/2006  10:11 PM
Don't worry about about it RV, I guess past history does warranty that I could be "starting trouble" lol. But I was sober, and not after a terrible Knick loss, so I really meant to stick to the discussion this time around.

I see what you are saying about a player not being used much, and I don't even disagree with 7 pts a game. I just don't see 10pts or a breakout season scoring wise.

Actually, what I was mostly trying to say that Jeffries should not be judged on pts but on how he plays D and impacts the defensive side of the ball.
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8/8/2006  10:16 PM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by misterearl:

"You can plug in 15 (points) and 8 (rebounds) and it may not work. And you can plug in four and six and it works. Don't ask me why. That's chemistry."

your students' grades in chemistry class should determine your tenure status. but it appears that you have dean dolan in your pocket so you're getting a pass either way.

as opposed to Larry, who was getting a pass based on reputation?

can someone tell me what in the world is wrong with a front line of:

C - Curry 6'11" - 23yrs/ 4th pick overall 2001
PF - Frye 6'11" - 23yrs/ 8th pick overall 2005
SF - Jefferies 6'11" - 24yrs/ 11th pick overall 2002

is the rebuilding still a sham? is it still a lie? or are we much younger, bigger, more athletic than when Layden was running this team into the ground? is there still no plan? or does that front court not only make sense together, but create exciting possibilities? do those players not compliment each other? or do they consist of one of the true post up centers in the league, one of the best shooting big men in the league and a hustling, defensive SF who can cover 4 positions and handle the ball? oh, yeah, I forget, coming off the bench are 6'9" David Lee and 6'8" Renaldo Balkman, both of whom can rebound, defend, run the break, pass and finish. that young, huge front court is complimented by some of the best penetration guards in the league. I'm sorry - what's the problem?

If you say 23 wins last year, I agree. But we both know the answer to that is Isiah's actual big mistake - hiring Larry Brown. Otherwise, we have a young, versatile, exciting lineup.

yeah maybe. but hasn't that been the deal every year with isiah? have any of his maybe's worked out yet? what are you basing your faith that they're going tok work out this year on? maybe all that money could have been spent on a franchise player. who would have given the team identity. and then all the young promising players could have been placed around him. what is this team built on and where is it going?

Man, I haven't posted here in like two weeks. I come back and signing Jared Jeffires is being knocked. Geezus, i've never been in the midst of such a vocal amount of whiners in my life. I mean it's like the kid that was put int he closet whenever his parents wanted to punish him. Gentlemen, Get an Effing Grip.

Knock the Marbury signing, cool. Knock the Malik signing, cool. Take issue with the LB firing (I don't), fine. Knock the Snacks sigining, oh most definitely. Hell I can even agree with holding out on the jury with the Curry signing.

But Jared Jeffires for the flipping MLE. Please.

Stop yer Whinning. Geez, Louise

[Edited by - Junkmein on 08-08-2006 10:11 PM]

it's not just about jeffries. it's the whole picture. what did you think would happen when we got tthomas? crawford? qrich? curry? jalen? francis? did you say all tlhe same things then that you're saying now about jeffries? not seeing any pattern here?
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8/8/2006  10:17 PM
Posted by Marv:

yeah maybe. but hasn't that been the deal every year with isiah? have any of his maybe's worked out yet? what are you basing your faith that they're going tok work out this year on? maybe all that money could have been spent on a franchise player. who would have given the team identity. and then all the young promising players could have been placed around him. what is this team built on and where is it going?

the consistent criticism has been that there's no plan, the plan is always changing, etc, etc. I'm just saying, Isiah has still not been here for three full years yet and we have three 23-24yr-old 6'11" lotto picks who have established themselves in the league as starters in our front court. I'm just at what this lineup SHOULD be and it looks good and there's the chance of improvement from within. I'm happy with the roster. I look at the roster and there's a clear plan and style of play that fits almost all the players we currently have.

What franchise player were we getting for cap room? Could we even conceivably been under the cap before Houston's deal went away? I doubt it. So would I rather have this roster than the prospect of maybe signing Vince Carter away from New Jersey next summer? If we'd kept our picks and built solely through the draft would the roster have more talent than it does right now?

And are you still looking at this roster and asking what style of play should we have and who starts and what's everyone's role?

[Edited by - crzymdups on 08-08-2006 10:21 PM]
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