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David Lee's role with Jefferies.
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CrushAlot
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8/5/2006  10:41 PM
I was really hoping that Lee would be the starting small forward this year. He had a great summer league and looks like one of those gems that Isiah is able to find. I hope that now that the Knicks have Jefferies that Lee isn't packaged in a trade to move a bad contract.
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8/5/2006  10:46 PM
I think he might be backing up/sharing time with Frye.
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8/5/2006  10:56 PM
Lee is a power forward.
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8/5/2006  10:56 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

I think he might be backing up/sharing time with Frye.

Terrible This is another reason why dont want jefferies, he takes time from Lee. From my perspective, David Lee starts with Curry with Frye coming offf the bench in a 3 man frontcourt. We shouldve matched Butler as a fouth big and just swapped Q for Miles to play 3. Nope cant do it have to do things the fcked up way. We already have a cluster fck roster--im sure david lee is real happy about losing PT to an inferior player
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8/5/2006  11:01 PM
I think Frye will play 36-40 minutes a game, but somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 at Center stealing a lot of backup Center minutes from the ultimate stiff, Jerome James & the departed Jackie Butler (especially when the nature of the opposition that night allows for the use of Frye at C). That means that there's 20 minutes at the PF position available to Lee at PF and a couple from time to time at SF.
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8/5/2006  11:11 PM
Is it written in stone that Jefferies will start?
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8/5/2006  11:18 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PhilinLA:

I think he might be backing up/sharing time with Frye.

Terrible This is another reason why dont want jefferies, he takes time from Lee. From my perspective, David Lee starts with Curry with Frye coming offf the bench in a 3 man frontcourt. We shouldve matched Butler as a fouth big and just swapped Q for Miles to play 3. Nope cant do it have to do things the fcked up way. We already have a cluster fck roster--im sure david lee is real happy about losing PT to an inferior player

How does that take time away from Lee? Frye, Lee and Curry should still be the three man frontcourt. Jefferies is the SF, if anything, Jefferies can take some of the minutes at the 4/5 Butler would've gotten - and he's a far superior defender. Jefferies won't get anymore minutes than Miles. Qrich is our one true SG. Lee is not a good matchup at SF against half the league. He can play there a little, but it's a mistake to put him there full time. I'm not seeing how this is taking minutes from Lee. If anything it takes minutes from guys like Mo Taylor and Jalen and Malik.

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8/5/2006  11:49 PM
Posted by purple012870:

I think Frye will play 36-40 minutes a game, but somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 at Center stealing a lot of backup Center minutes from the ultimate stiff, Jerome James & the departed Jackie Butler (especially when the nature of the opposition that night allows for the use of Frye at C). That means that there's 20 minutes at the PF position available to Lee at PF and a couple from time to time at SF.

That's how I see it.

I like the signing and I hate jefferies, lol. I think the dude is a retard.

How I see it is the knicks just guy a guy that will slide in and play everywhere. He wasn't great in Washington but the guy makes a difference somehow just by being out there. He is usually involved in every play. Much like the rest of his new teamates. The knicks look to be a run and run and run team. Jefferies is needed.
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8/6/2006  12:04 AM
Enspree -- absolutely agree. Lee will not get hurt by this. He is really not a 3.

Briggs -- We cannot continue to have selfish, primadonna, listless morons like Darius Miles. He's got everything Tim Thomas has.... all that competitiveness, all b-ball IQ, all the team 1st mentality (sarcasm on).
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8/6/2006  1:13 AM
I think a lot of you are probably overreacting. What makes you think Jared is starting? Isiah said himself the guys will be earning playing time. Now he's doing things his way. Not Lenny's, LBs, or Chaney's. We don't know WHO the heck is gonna be getting hurt or if anyone will be at all, and we don't even know if there will be trades coming. For all I know, this is fair game and the only shoe ins to start are Curry and Marbury.
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8/6/2006  1:49 AM
Jared might not be the starter. He will be on the court at some point and he will help.

David lee is not a 4 or a 3. David lee is a ball player. Simple and plain. The guy can play the game and he is a gamer. The guy wasn't scared of amare in summer league. He sure wasn't scared of dirk last year! The guy just plays hard.

The two people we should worry about is Taylor and malik! Those guys should retire and get their own sitcom or police drama. I'd watch them chase bad guys. No way in hell do these two guys play over balkman! Forget David lee!
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8/6/2006  2:01 AM
David lee is not a 4 or a 3. David lee is a ball player. Simple and plain. The guy can play the game and he is a gamer. The guy wasn't scared of amare in summer league. He sure wasn't scared of dirk last year! The guy just plays hard.

Not being scarred is one good thing, but Lee certainly did get schooled by Dirk whenever they played. But who doesn't. I agree that Lee is just a good player who can probably switch to the 2 positions and on occasion, play some center.
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8/6/2006  9:43 AM
well, for right now it jalen rose is probably our starting sf. remember we also have q rich. so we do have a logjam. lee is a pf who is in the middle of the depth chart with m. rose and taylor. then we have jeffries and blackmon in the mix. interesting preseason.
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8/6/2006  9:55 AM
David Lee will be the best sixth man this side of Billy Cunningham

At least Isiah wil not place him on the inactive list after a solid game
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8/6/2006  10:08 AM
I'm thinking that David Lee will get plenty of minutes behind FRYE assuming that he is our starting PF.

Jeffries can play multi positions, but I'm willing to bet that he is here to play SMALL FORWARD w/ Q-Rich and Balkman backing him.


*** The issue becomes a little more "topic worthy"; if we somehow land Kenyon Martin, which is what I hope we do!!!

Still David Lee would get burn @ PF, because Channing would likely be shifted into a backup Center role, ala Summer league rotation:

Frye
Lee
Balkman
Robinson
Collins

REGARDLESS.. Jared Jeffries is a solid addition to this team. WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A SMALL FORWARD. He is the type of player that makes sense for this roster. He is long, young, wirey and an underrated shooter plus he can play multi positions. YOU CAN'T HAVE ENOUGH HIGH ENERGY BALL PLAYERS. He and David Lee are exactly that. Both will be effective in NYK, and won't hinder the other's development.

Besides if a log jam is a concern, rest assured that more trades will follow at some point. Q-Rich, Jalen Rose, Mo Taylor.. The writing is on the wall... They are goners!!!

[Edited by - JayNYC on 08-06-2006 10:14 AM]
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8/6/2006  10:36 AM
He is long, young, wirey and an underrated shooter plus he can play multi positions.

Underrated shooter??? Is it his 43% FG% that tells you this? Or maybe it's his 29% from 3pt range. I'm sure it can't be his 59% from the FT line that shows how underrated he is as a shooter.
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8/6/2006  10:50 AM
Posted by misterearl:

David Lee will be the best sixth man this side of Billy Cunningham

At least Isiah wil not place him on the inactive list after a solid game

Oh please. I like Lee a lot, but he can't even sniff Cunningham's skill set.

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8/6/2006  11:06 AM
Why is having a "logjam" significant? Isiah will have a set rotation, Isiah will have the most productive guy in the lineup, Isiah will not have some sort of dishonorable agenda like his predecessor. Right off the bat, I have to believe that MRose, Mo Taylor, Jerome James & QRich will play a fraction of the minutes they go last year. Why? Because Lee, Frye, Jefferies etc. are flat out better. Geez....you don't have to be Jerry West to see that MRose, Mo Taylor, Jerome James & QRich were borderline NBA calibur players last year. Isiah will see that. I foresee avg minutes as follows:

Guards:
Marbury - 38
Nate - 10
Craw, Francis - 24 (until somebody earns the greater allocation here)...I think it'll bee Craw

Forwards:
Frye - 26
Lee - 24
Jefferies - 24
JRose - 12
Balkman - 10

Center:
Curry - 30
Frye - 12
James - 6
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8/6/2006  11:09 AM
Posted by islesfan:
He is long, young, wirey and an underrated shooter plus he can play multi positions.

Underrated shooter??? Is it his 43% FG% that tells you this? Or maybe it's his 29% from 3pt range. I'm sure it can't be his 59% from the FT line that shows how underrated he is as a shooter.


Ok, I see your point... "stats don't lie right, aren't a lil misleading" Question for you, Would you consider Ray Allen one of the better shooters, arguably the best in this game? What about Peja Stojakovic? Do me a favor check their career stats, compare those numbers and then holla back.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Jared Jeffries has that kind of stroke.. but the fact is he can knock em down. 29% 3pt efficiency ain't bad in this league. 43% field goal shooting is on par w/ the best shooters in the game. Free Throws, ain't no denying... he needs to hit those w/ regularity.. BUT MY POINT is this (Reference to "Underrated").. He is not highly touted for his ability to shoot, but he can! I like the fact that he is now known for his defensive prowess.. all I'm saying is that opposing Defenses will HAVE to honor his ability to shoot or else he will make them pay.


I don't know if you follow college basketball as heavily... But I do, and I remember Jared Jeffries as an above average Inside/Out player... I think he led Indiana in scoring at that time. Thats why he was a lottery pick dude.. the kid can ball. I think he is a great addition to this roster.. and will surprise alot of the naysayers. <<<--- However, you spell that word!



[Edited by - JayNYC on 08-06-2006 11:19 AM]
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8/6/2006  11:31 AM
This guys has his best ball in front of him (not even 25 yet). This is a great & most important for the folks on this website, will prove to be an economical FA signing. Below is NBA_Draft.net's review from 4 years ago.
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Jared Jeffries
Birthdate: 11/25/81
NBA Position: Small Forward
College: Indiana
Class: Sophomore
Ht: 6-9
Wt: 220
Hometown: Bloomington, IN
High School: Bloomington North
Team Profile

2001 Stats

Athleticism: 10 Size: 9
Defense: 8 Strength: 6
Quickness: 9 Leadership: 9
Jump Shot: 9 NBA Ready: 7
Passing: 8 Potential: 10
Ball Handling: 10 Intangibles: 8

Overall: 103

NBA Comparison: Danny Manning (pre-injury)

Strengths: Has great ball skills, can do things not many other 6-10 players can, handle, pass, shoot. Very good in the open floor. Uses his size well. Rebounds well. Very good feel for the game, high basketball IQ. Underrated athlete. Can really get to the basket and finish. Nonchalant court demeanor seems to work for him.

Weaknesses: Biggest knock against Jefferies is that he doesn't play with enough passion. Needs to get stronger. Not super fast, has the ability to run the floor but quickness isn't overwhelming. Needs to be more aggressive.

Notes: Super inside outside player. Has very good handles at 6-10. Can hit the outside J, also has the ability to faceup and take players off the dribble. A very cerebral bigman with great perimeter and post skills. Smooth all around game. Huge upside. Must put on some weight. Doesn't have blinding quickness.

David Lee's role with Jefferies.

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