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EnySpree
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8/3/2006  12:17 PM
When he was in Indiana I hated him. Back then though I hated him because he was this animated ****y coach that was yapping constantly, talking trash to the players and walking out on the court. Not to mention he got a team of bums to play some serious ball and he picked apart our knicks teams. Back then I would have played for him.

The geezer is now nothing buy a complainer and a snake. He is not loyal and he has no respect for his players on any level. He probably was always like that but it came out more after he left Philly.

I couldn't play for Larry brown. I don't even know if I would send my kid to a camp run by Larry brown.
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8/3/2006  12:58 PM
I don't even know if I would send my kid to a camp run by Larry brown.

I would not send your kid to a camp run by Larry Brown.

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8/3/2006  1:03 PM
Dude, I'll play for PJ Carliesemo one day. Give me any NBA coach (Or college) and I'll work my butt off for that team.
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8/3/2006  1:21 PM
I would love to play for Larry Brown. I would send my kids to a camp coached Larry, Parcells, Bobby Knight, Coach K any day of the week. I'm sorry that the Knicks players are so fragile and couldn't handle Brown but these coaches make you better at your sport and they make you better men.
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8/3/2006  1:26 PM
I would hate playing for Larry Brown. If he was a college coach I would never sign a LOI to play for him. But if he was a pro coach and drafted me onto his team I would suck it up and play my ass off for him like I do every coach I've ever played for. I'd learn everything I could from him. I'd still think he was an asse and beg for him to be fired, though.
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8/3/2006  1:27 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

The geezer is now nothing buy a complainer and a snake. He is not loyal and he has no respect for his players on any level. He probably was always like that but it came out more after he left Philly.

doesn't this directly contradict what the players in Philly and Detroit were saying about Brown?

Brown & team had a bad year in NY and things didn't mesh. Did Brown agitate things? Sure. Did some of the players? Sure.

Could we not say the same things about some of the players on the NY Knicks as you have with Brown?

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8/3/2006  1:43 PM
The last three coach's to leave NY may never get another coaching job in their lives. That must mean something.
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8/3/2006  1:52 PM
I think that has to do with hiring trends in the nba though - more former players getting light now-
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8/3/2006  2:44 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by EnySpree:

The geezer is now nothing buy a complainer and a snake. He is not loyal and he has no respect for his players on any level. He probably was always like that but it came out more after he left Philly.

doesn't this directly contradict what the players in Philly and Detroit were saying about Brown?

Brown & team had a bad year in NY and things didn't mesh. Did Brown agitate things? Sure. Did some of the players? Sure.

Could we not say the same things about some of the players on the NY Knicks as you have with Brown?

It doesn't contradict what the 04 Olympic team was sayng about him however...

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8/3/2006  2:59 PM
Some players can play for the guy and some players won't. That's the nature of a disciplinarian. Some players can play for Bobby Knight and Jim Calhoun, some cannot. That's why those guys normally target and win with the same types of players at every stop. That's why management teams normally get their types of players instead of asking them to create miracles out of teams that aren't theirs. Everyone knows this but they hire him anyway hoping this time they will be able to create miracles with a team that doesn't fit their style. It's idiocy.

I will say this. As dumb and as senile as the guy is. After teams run him out of town and bad mouth him they always seem to do all the things he complained about. LB's biggest problem is he complains and tries to get rid of the problems instead of coaching them while they are there. But again as a person hirign this, if dumb old Bippity knows this, you should.
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8/3/2006  3:55 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by martin:
Posted by EnySpree:

The geezer is now nothing buy a complainer and a snake. He is not loyal and he has no respect for his players on any level. He probably was always like that but it came out more after he left Philly.

doesn't this directly contradict what the players in Philly and Detroit were saying about Brown?

Brown & team had a bad year in NY and things didn't mesh. Did Brown agitate things? Sure. Did some of the players? Sure.

Could we not say the same things about some of the players on the NY Knicks as you have with Brown?

It doesn't contradict what the 04 Olympic team was sayng about him however...

the whole team or just some of the players? LB is old school and maybe teams and guys that understand it and grit it out will come through OK. Weaker or under-matured personalities are not so good with this type of coach, and that's understandable.

How about this scenario? If the Knicks won 45 last year with the same yelling, lineup switching, mean spirited, to-the-press blabbing coach, would we all say the same things? Is it the personality we are talking about or the 23 wins everyone is upset with?
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8/3/2006  4:40 PM
I wouldn't run to play for him but I wouldn't shy away from it either. The onus is on him to learn from the mistakes he made.
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8/3/2006  4:41 PM
Short answer............. Hell no. And NYK, don't ever compare Larry Brown to those all time great coaches.
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8/3/2006  4:51 PM
Posted by Anji:

Short answer............. Hell no. And NYK, don't ever compare Larry Brown to those all time great coaches.

And why not? It's easy to say things and not back them up like you just did. Whether you want to believe it or not Larry Brown is one of the very few coaches who have both won an NCAA and NBA championship, throw an ABA championship in there too. Do you have any idea at all what kind of flexibility it takes to win on both the college and NBA level? The NBA and NCAA are completely different animals. Larry might not be considered as great a coach as someone like Parcells, Bobby Knight or Coach K but he is extremely close.
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8/3/2006  4:56 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Anji:

Short answer............. Hell no. And NYK, don't ever compare Larry Brown to those all time great coaches.

And why not? It's easy to say things and not back them up like you just did. Whether you want to believe it or not Larry Brown is one of the very few coaches who have both won an NCAA and NBA championship, throw an ABA championship in there too. Do you have any idea at all what kind of flexibility it takes to win on both the college and NBA level? The NBA and NCAA are completely different animals. Larry might not be considered as great a coach as someone like Parcells, Bobby Knight or Coach K but he is extremely close.



NYK, let me diminish LB for you: He won at the NCAA level...cheating. Kansas was sanctioned soon after they won and LB hit the road.

LB caught a great wave to win his NBA championship, he did not build or develop that team.

And I don't believe you would be happy if you sent your children to his camp or they played on his team, and he proceeded to publicly humiliate them or try to destroy their confidence in order to "break them down" or for any reason. If you really believe you would be happy with your children being treated like that you are taking an academic view and therefore fooling yourself.

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8/3/2006  5:00 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Anji:

Short answer............. Hell no. And NYK, don't ever compare Larry Brown to those all time great coaches.

And why not? It's easy to say things and not back them up like you just did. Whether you want to believe it or not Larry Brown is one of the very few coaches who have both won an NCAA and NBA championship, throw an ABA championship in there too. Do you have any idea at all what kind of flexibility it takes to win on both the college and NBA level? The NBA and NCAA are completely different animals. Larry might not be considered as great a coach as someone like Parcells, Bobby Knight or Coach K but he is extremely close.



NYK, let me diminish LB for you: He won at the NCAA level...cheating. Kansas was sanctioned soon after they won and LB hit the road.

LB caught a great wave to win his NBA championship, he did not build or develop that team.

And I don't believe you would be happy if you sent your children to his camp or they played on his team, and he proceeded to publicly humiliate them or try to destroy their confidence in order to "break them down" or for any reason. If you really believe you would be happy with your children being treated like that you are taking an academic view and therefore fooling yourself.

oohah

We know you hate Brown Oohah and we know I like him. We know that you wouldn't send your kids there and that I would. It's not enough that Brown won the championships but you continually make excuses for him winning it. It happened, it's not fake, the rings and the banners are real. The point I was trying to make about winning on both levels is that it takes alot of different coaching tactics and there are very few coaches who were able to do it. I know you hate Larry Brown but if you can't admit that then theres nothing left to discuss.
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8/3/2006  5:11 PM
We know you hate Brown Oohah and we know I like him. We know that you wouldn't send your kids there and that I would. It's not enough that Brown won the championships but you continually make excuses for him winning it. It happened, it's not fake, the rings and the banners are real. The point I was trying to make about winning on both levels is that it takes alot of different coaching tactics and there are very few coaches who were able to do it. I know you hate Larry Brown but if you can't admit that then theres nothing left to discuss.

I guess you don't know what you think you know because I don't hate LB. I am just realistic about the person he is, and I have actually watched his career so I know he has plenty of downs to go with his ups.

He has been a great coach in his time. He also cheated his way to an NCAA championship, and he jumped on a ready-made team to win his NBA championship. These are not excuses, they are irrefutable facts.

He did. He cheated to the NCAA championship.

He did. He jumped on an already excellent team when he won his NBA championship.

If you can refute these FACTS, do so, or just say: "I don't care". That's all. No need to get all hot under the collar.

And I can see you saying he has been a great coach, but liking him? What is there to like? That he constantly lies and treats people like garbage? Is that really an admirable characteristic?

And what about the second part of my statement? Would you really be happy if he chose one of your progeny to be one of his projects that he berates and humiliates?

Come on now.

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[Edited by - oohah on 08-03-2006 5:13 PM]
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8/3/2006  5:16 PM
We're not going to agree on the championships part, thats fine. I see his name next to those teams as Head Coach and champion so thats good enough for me. The Pistons hadn't won before and they didn't win after Brown. Kansas still hasn't won a championship either. You go your way, I'll go mine.

What about Bobby Knight, would you send your kids to play for him?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-03-2006 5:17 PM]
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8/3/2006  5:19 PM
What about Bobby Knight, would you send your kids to play for him?

Hell's effing no. Bobby Knight is a great coach and a disgusting human.

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Posted by martin:
Posted by EnySpree:

The geezer is now nothing buy a complainer and a snake. He is not loyal and he has no respect for his players on any level. He probably was always like that but it came out more after he left Philly.

doesn't this directly contradict what the players in Philly and Detroit were saying about Brown?

Brown & team had a bad year in NY and things didn't mesh. Did Brown agitate things? Sure. Did some of the players? Sure.

Could we not say the same things about some of the players on the NY Knicks as you have with Brown?

Martin, please clarify that because Brown has always had complaints about him during his tenure with a team and after. He even said he wears on his players and that's why he has to move on. Reggie Miller made comments about Brown after he left for Philly, Danny Manning didn't hold anything back to Clipper management regarding if Brown stays then I want to be traded rants. David Robinson, Sean Elliot. In Detroit, they killed Brown including Wallace. All players are whiners about coaches. Not so much an issue, Brown isn't a player coach which he is fine with. It's work for him. The same with PJ and the same with Pop. Guys like PJ though have no creditability, that is why guys like Spreewell don't respect them. You can throw Calipari in there too.
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