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BRIGGS
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8/1/2006  8:47 AM
Let's see how many draft picks and players EG can get out of the master negotiator. Maybe 2 number 1s and we take back etan thomas
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8/1/2006  8:52 AM
We still owe Phoenix a number one.
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8/1/2006  9:18 AM
lets give them collins, he is very expendable and his athletic ability leaves a little to be desired.....

Not a huge jefferies fan but with todays nba the way it is there is such a premium on long athletic players that can play mutliple positions, thats why drafting marcus williams would have been awesome for this team, we actually have a nice core if we get jeff.....

Lee can play three positions, Jeff can play three positions, Frye can play too, and Balkman will be a good role player for the team........three of those players don't need the ball to be effective, would all be the perfect compliments to a player like AI........

In three years the kids will be ready to take things over, we just need to find a way to get the street ballers out (not going to win with crawford and nate player huge minutes)

I think Jared would be a welcome addition to the team, especially when you can really up the defense by playing

Frye
Lee
Balkman
Jefferies
Nate

That team will run for days and all those guys can finish on the break
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8/1/2006  9:23 AM
So, re: a S&T. Let's look at what the Wiz would want to potentially dump & what might interest them.

First, do they believe Jarvis Hayes will contribute (i.e. is he over the knee problems)?

Second, has Etan Thomas fallen out of favor?

Third, is the recent draft pick, Oleksiy Pecherov going to be on thier roster this year?

If anybody has any insight there, it might help understanding what S&T's are possible (i.e. if they don't believe in Hayes, maybe Q Rich might garner some interest).
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8/1/2006  9:24 AM
no forget all the sign and trades....just let them match and lets resign qwoods
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8/1/2006  9:37 AM
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8/1/2006  10:13 AM
MS: I agree, that's why I rule out Darius Miles as well.
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8/1/2006  12:25 PM
I hope Isiah does not offer to do a sign and trade and give up draft picks. I don't really like the addition in the first instance, and certainly would not want the Knicks to give up a draft pick for Jefferies. Now if Washington wants Q for Jefferies, that would be okay. Isiah's main ability is finding good players in the draft. We need all the draft picks we can get.
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8/1/2006  12:28 PM
Posted by purple012870:

MS: I agree, that's why I rule out Darius Miles as well.

Id give them Malik Rose for Darius Miles tomorrow.
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8/1/2006  1:33 PM
Darius Miles is a horrible choice for this team... we need talented young guys who play with heart & have the mental toughness to succeed in NY... Miles is a big baby making $8 mil per til 2010... please, i'll pass.
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8/1/2006  1:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by purple012870:

MS: I agree, that's why I rule out Darius Miles as well.

Id give them Malik Rose for Darius Miles tomorrow.

Yeah Briggs, this is usually unlike you, you usually do not like guys that are not a little heady in the least, when it comes to basketball smarts. I can tell this just by judging from the players you've wanted in the past. I know you've been high on Miles for awhile now, but I got to agree with TMS on this one.

Miles has a world of talent but he he's never come close to doing it consistently for any team he's been with. He had a nice run last year with Portland where he was filling the boxscore a bit but I don't think the guy has anywhere near the mental makeup to be able to do what he did during that stint for any extended period of time. If I remember correctly the only reason that Darius is in the NBA is becuase he failed his SAT's so badly that St. John's couldn't take him in. Think about that, in the world of college sports, every school basically giftwraps your way to the school with grades and stuff and Darius couldn't even get past his SATs.. I dunno that really rubs me the wrong way because it has transferred to the court. He has gotten in trouble with the law and he's had problems with teammates as well. You love what you see in terms of raw talent with Darius but other than that he seems like a really cookadoo.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-01-2006 1:39 PM]
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8/1/2006  1:43 PM
Another place and another time you take a chance on Darius. But currently I don't think there is anyway in heck we can afford to take this guy on our roster. We have got to completely rid our roster of people like this before we can consider guys like this(isn't that ironic)
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8/1/2006  1:53 PM
Posted by TMS:

Darius Miles is a horrible choice for this team... we need talented young guys who play with heart & have the mental toughness to succeed in NY... Miles is a big baby making $8 mil per til 2010... please, i'll pass.

Yeah, we need fewer prima donnas like Miles.
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8/1/2006  1:55 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Another place and another time you take a chance on Darius. But currently I don't think there is anyway in heck we can afford to take this guy on our roster. We have got to completely rid our roster of people like this before we can consider guys like this(isn't that ironic)

Exactly- you can only have so many reclaimation projects- and we are already past our limit.

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8/1/2006  2:05 PM
Posted by TMS:

Darius Miles is a horrible choice for this team... we need talented young guys who play with heart & have the mental toughness to succeed in NY... Miles is a big baby making $8 mil per til 2010... please, i'll pass.

I look at it this way, malik rose is a nothing player--just a large contract with a severely over-rated game. But Portland might like to exchange Miles for Rose, and it becomes a much cheaper option than anything that has been described. As is, Darius Miles adds talent and length on both sides of the court and has shown franchise-type talent at times. I'd like to see Darius with a change of scenery and if I can swap out of Malik [i have 0 value] Rose, I would do it if this JJ thing goes up in smoke. The word prima dona comes to mind when it comes to some Knick fans. They somehow believe that we are a good team, that we arent in *need*--thats we really havent won an average of 32 games over 5 years. Sorry, I'll take the talent like I wouldve taken the superior talent of Marcus Williams over Balkman. A player like Darius should score 18- 20 points in an up-tempo game rip down 6 boards, have some solid defensive numbers and shoot close to 50%. Why wouldnt I want that? For Malik I cant make a layup Rose?
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8/1/2006  2:38 PM
you've gone on record repeatedly bemoaning the lack of basketball IQ on this squad & yet you want to go out & get a guy like Darius Miles, a junior version of Tim Thomas with a worse attitude... you seem to contradict yourself alot BRIGGS... i'm not saying that to offend you, but you confuse me with your back & forth logic sometimes.
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8/1/2006  2:48 PM
August 1, 2006 -- On the first day the Wizards could have matched the Knicks' offer sheet to 6-foot-10 defensive small forward Jared Jeffries, they waited. But the chance of Jeffries suiting up for the Knicks remains a longshot.
Two sources close to Ernie Grunfeld told The Post on July 19 that the Wizards GM was confident Jeffries would return to Washington because Grunfeld planned on matching any mid-level offer and did not foresee another team surpassing that reasonable price.

A third source within the Wizards organization confirmed yesterday Grunfeld hoped to match the Knicks' offer for the full $5.2 million mid-level exception. Across five years, that's $30 million. The Wizards would still be under the luxury-tax threshold, meaning they wouldn't have to pay double that amount like the Knicks.

Isiah Thomas incurred no risk tying himself up with the offer and forcing the Wizards' hand. He's in no hurry to use his mid-level exception elsewhere. Plus, Thomas' offer sheet could be viewed as a favor to Jeffries' agent, Andy Miller, who also represents Kevin Garnett. The Timberwolves superstar could in the future demand a trade to the Knicks to reunite with Stephon Marbury.

The Post reported exclusively April 20, well before free-agency began, the Knicks would pursue Jeffries with their mid-level exception to ease their small-forward woes. It's one thing former coach Larry Brown and Thomas agreed upon. They both loved Jeffries' versatility.

Grunfeld did not return phone calls yesterday, but confirmed the offer sheet signed Friday has arrived.

"We have received an offer sheet and we have seven days to respond," Grunfeld said in a statement.

The Wizards recently offered Jeffries, 24, a comparable six-year, $33 million pact. The only slight glitch would be if Miller convinces Grunfeld that Jeffries will be miserable playing for the Wizards. But that does not seem to be the case. Jeffries had a good conversation with the Wizards brass since the signing, according to his agent.

Miller has been outspoken on Jeffries' wish to play for the Knicks, but was noncommittal when asked directly yesterday if his client would be unhappy returning to the Wizards.

"That's hard to say," Miller said. "We spent 31/2 weeks trying to get a deal done with Washington. Then we tried what Jared was most comfortable with, his relationship with Isiah Thomas, whom he's known since he was 12. We signed the sheet with intentions of playing for the Knicks."

marc.berman@nypost.com


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8/1/2006  2:51 PM
I have to completely agree with Briggs here.
Malik Rose brings absolutely nothing to the table.
We already have players that do everything he does only better.
He is undersized and overvalued.
He takes playing time away from Frye and Lee.
If he is not traded I would be completely ok with putting him on the IR for the season.
And if not traded by next offseason I say buy the guy out.
Roster space is at a premium and we can't afford to give this guy the slot or the playing time.
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8/1/2006  2:52 PM
Posted by TMS:

you've gone on record repeatedly bemoaning the lack of basketball IQ on this squad & yet you want to go out & get a guy like Darius Miles, a junior version of Tim Thomas with a worse attitude... you seem to contradict yourself alot BRIGGS... i'm not saying that to offend you, but you confuse me with your back & forth logic sometimes.



What information do you have on Darius Miles IQ? Miles needs to be put in a scenario where he gets the most out of his God-given talent level. Tim Thomas did OK when he went to a team that configured to his his talent. Swapping out of Malik Rose who offers nothing for Darius Miles is a no-brainer. I don't need to justify a trade like that, I would do it and ask questions later. If you put a basketball player in an environment where he can thrive, where there is some character[and I believe we have some] with the type of talent that Darius has, good things should happen.
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8/1/2006  2:59 PM
Exactly I'll take on miles contract instead of getting Jefferies.
Miles is exactly the risk that the Knicks need, right now he has a bad rap that he doesn't deserve
but his team mates and friends say he is a good team player.

He would thrive in an uptempo game. He's the same age as Jefferies but for the dollar spent
he is a better investment. He is a legit upgrade at the 3 spot and that would be sick if you have him and woods in the same line up to 6 9 wing players that can guard Kobes and Mcgradys.k that was blown up no one can guard them but maybe the 2 of them can.

Did I mention he is friends with Q. Call it a revival I'm sure some good things will happen when they play together

If they get Miles for Rose I would have just wished he would have drafted marcus williams.
Then the knicks would have the strongest point guard glut in history compared to the weakiest a few seasons ago.

too bad this is only comic book theory
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