Marv - I never meant to intentionally overlook your boy but

if Big Snacks doen't show up with his game face on time, and in shape, in September he gotta go.

It's clobberin' time!

marv- you so crazy.

Think of it this way, with the dearly depated Jackie Butler possibly out of the mix, jerome can't hide. Don't be shocked if Isiah starts Jerome, to establish inside defensive presence, next to Frye... and brings Curry off the Pine with my man David Lee.

One thing is certain. He better come ready.

Regarding your post, I believe it's time for us to support our team, not tear down the players anymore. They haven't started playing yet, wait till they do then tear them down mercilessly if they don't play to your liking. It's stupid to rip apart a player based on projections. They might suck or they might have the best year of their lives. This is why they play the games.

^

I'm ready to see what this team can and will do. I'm with you misterearl, let's be supportive and hope for the best. They have the talent, Zeke just has to bring it out of them and get them to trust each other.

Mexi-melt

Marv - great Belushi shot

BasketballJones - great Scott!

I absolutely, positively PROMISE to NEVER bootleg another post, but in the meantime.. this is from my brothare chip who lives in a parallel Knicks universe

A thousand pardons BUT....

Veractiy--Always Darkest Before The Dawn

(to the brother in secion 404) - dj:

... And yes, I am not thrilled about losing Jackie, and last year was sheer misery.

However, your offhanded dismissal of Channing as an SAR at best (yeah, that would be tragic to have a guy who averages 20-9 and shoots 85% from the FT line) rings hollow, and a little bitter, and your bloanket declaration that this is the worst the Knicks have ever been is total BS.

The Darrel Imhoff Knicks of 61-62, pre-Willis/Cazzie/Dollar Bill/Clyde were truly horrific. Truly hopeless. Truly dull: 21-58 in 1961, and 29-51 in 1962.

In 1962 they drafted Paul Hogue ahead of Zelmo Beaty, Dave DeBussherre, Jerry Lucas (the last two territorial picks) and JOHN HAVLICHEK!

In 1963, 21-59 and they drafted Art Heyman instead of Nate Thurmond.

In 1964 22-58, and they drafted Jim Barnes, Willis Reed and Howard Komives.

In 1965 31-49, and they drafted Bill Bradley, Dave Stallworth and Dick Van Arsdale.

In 1966 30-50 and they drafted Cazzie Russell.

In 1967 36-45 and they drafted Walt Frazier and Phil Jackson (Detroit drafted Jalen Rose's absentee father, Jimmy Walker, #1).

In 1968, finally, a winning season, going 43-39, and they fired Dick McGuire and hired Red Holzman. They drafted Bill Hosket and Don May.

In 1969 they traded for Dave Dushherre, and finished 54-28, going down to the Bill Russell Celtics in the Eastern Finals 4-2.

In 1970 they went 60-22 and won the whole fandango.

The point.

Isiah sucks. Isiah is the worst. Isiah must go.

Hey, maybe Eddy Curry and Stephon Marbury will go down as Walt Bellamy and Howie Komives (Walt a hall of famer by the way) or something better.

Point is tghe Larry Brown season was a nightmare that set the franchise back, but on the positive side?

Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, Mardy Collins, Eddy Curry (YEAH, Eddy Curry!), Jamal Crawford...

We haven't had a core of youth like this since the slow year by year process wherein we rose to a championship contending team in the late '60s.

So while I have issues with Isiah, respect DJ and FWK, and cannot argue with their despair, I cannot co-sign it either.

We lost Jackie Butler in a number's game, and that is a shame, but to damn Isiah for losing Jackie and not credit him for Channing, Nate, David, Renaldo, Mardy, Eddy (YEAH, Eddy!) and Jamal strikes me as something beyond despair. What I shall not characterize. I won't dismiss their arguments, but I will not cosign them.

How come Isiah is the devil incarnate, and Kevin McHale (who has Kevin "Not Channing Frye" Garnett to build around) gets a free ride from the media fan forumites, having lost five #1 draft picks, having traded Sam Cassell and a future #1 for Marko Jaric, having signed Michael Okalawandi, smacks of something more than despair as well.

Still sucking in summer of 2007? Off with all their heads.

In the menatime. Everyone just chill.

Clean slate for 2006-2007.

Posted by misterearl:

dagnabbit, I'm getting tired of the crybaby mentality.

Either suck it up and get ready for the season with the same New York heart and soul that you admired in Charles Oakley and john Starks - or change to the freakin' We Network.

All the bellyaching over whats wrong overshadows the fact the Knicks have a roster dominated with more young talent than any moment in the histoiry of the franchise. There are potentially 10 players 26 and under who wil make the November roster. Ten.

And i've watched this team for a few deacades. I've survived Jumpin Johnny Green and Louis Orr. Neal Wak and John McLeod. Al Bianchi and Ken "The Animal" Bannister. This is nothing.

Of course, we sucked last season, but despite whatever agenda Larry Brown dropped on the team, or whatever you feel about Isiah Thomas... the fact remains there are some positive signs that Channing Frye, David Lee, and EVEN Eddy Curry could be ready to take another small step in their developemnt.

Frye has added muscle which means he's in the gym. Lee is a year older and a year more confident as evidenced in his Summer body language. Eddy Curry WILL not be always be yanked with three quick fouls and learn to play through his mistakes or he will be replaced.

Nate will be unchained and drive us nuts, buut he will also never back down.

Balkman will dive in the stands for loose balls. Even Steve francis has an opporunity for an audition, or he will be gone faster than you can say Clarence weatherspoon.

Jamal Crawford will break someones ankles with his crossover move and pull up for another sweet jumper. Stephon will play as THIS year defines his career with no more excuses.

Kenny Adekele and Paul Miller will shock the so-called experts among us and make the 15 man roster.

If there aren't some fans ready to go into battle with their heads up by October, heads will roll!

Who is happy to sit around on his butt and just sulk about the past...


... and WHO is getting their mind right, sharpening their basketball insights, tightening the ol' chin strap and preparing for the season with their heads up?

No more crybabies... we need more Spartacusses!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl HARBOR!!????

Whos WITH Me?

(Gee, now I feel better .... I'm going on vacation)

..............misterearl, I don't think I'd have to tell you that your heading 'Mexican or Mexi-cant' is EXTREMELY RACIST, do I? The rest of you few who added on to this qoate should know better also!!! I'm surprised they let this thread live!