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JUNKMEIN
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7/15/2006  10:59 PM
Sorry about the double post. I realized after posting in the QWoods Evil thread that it had been moved to the off topic forum. Here's my original post.

Howdy Ultimate Knicks crew. Been a long while since I last posted. It would seem the same stuff is being argued over too.
Regardless, I wanted to chime in with my position on Qyntel Woods. Imo, this kid is far and beyond our most talented player at the 3. This kid has the whole package. He can flat out shoot the rock and he can go around you in a flash. He can pass and his handle is as good as any 3 on our team (including Jalen). His Defense, although not lockdown, is more than adequate. Last season against Philly this guy was totally teeing off on the Sixers and as usual...LB pulled him out. I recall Marbury screaming out very loudly...no, no don't take him out. I remember that like it happened yesterday. Needless to say he didn't see that kind of playing time again...LB made sure of that.

To me this kid has the ability to be something special for us. Hey, he ain't Lebron...but who is. He's built for NY (sordid past but tough as nails). He just needs a chance. I hope Isiah is willing to overlook the Larry connection and give this guy a chance to shine.

Resign him and give him the starters roll. With a rotation of QWoods, Balkman and occassionally Q Richardson we're set imo. I can just imagine what he'd do in those triangle cut and slash patterns Isiah had the guys running in SL.

I'd add that Balkman adds an intense dimension himself - just gotta see him against the regular season guys first..but he looks extremely promising.
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7/15/2006  11:03 PM
I'd be very disappointed in Isiah if he didn't keep Qyntel
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7/15/2006  11:09 PM
I agree with the woods praise. He can ball and he has special written all over him. Isiah can't let him go.
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7/15/2006  11:12 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I agree with the woods praise. He can ball and he has special written all over him. Isiah can't let him go.
There's really no excuse for him not being re-signed by now.

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7/15/2006  11:24 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with both of you about the time that's passed without any word on Qyntel.

It is a tad disconcerting.

Imagine this lineup on the floor.

Marbs at the 1
Qyntel at the 2
Balkman at the 3
DLee at the 4
Channing at the 5

That's what I call my No-Spit lineup. Nasty

[Edited by - Junkmein on 07-15-2006 11:25 PM]
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7/16/2006  12:16 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

I agree wholeheartedly with both of you about the time that's passed without any word on Qyntel.

It is a tad disconcerting.

Imagine this lineup on the floor.

Marbs at the 1
Qyntel at the 2
Balkman at the 3
DLee at the 4
Channing at the 5

That's what I call my No-Spit lineup. Nasty

[Edited by - Junkmein on 07-15-2006 11:25 PM]

That is what would make the knicks dangerous. They can always attack with their quick offense no matter who is out there. They can play match ups yet still stick with a game plan.

You know I bet isiah is waiting on Al Harrington. With the way the summer leagues offense looked Harrington is the last small fwd we need.

Woods, balkman, lee, Q, jalen? Who needs Al?
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7/16/2006  2:28 AM
what if Q2 doesn't want to be here
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7/16/2006  8:17 AM
i think he does want to be a knick, more so with isiah.

here is an article talking about how he wants to do some of the things larry wouldn't allow him to do...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/432340p-364289c.html

Pena entered the game five minutes into the first quarter and immediately shot a three-pointer from well behind the arc. Not sure that 'Nova head coach Jay Wright would approve, but it doesn't matter because there's no coach calling out offensive sets or screaming about ball movement in summer hoops. Just ask Knicks forward Qyntel Woods, who was on hand to watch former St. Raymond's star and current NBDL standout Kareem Reid play.

Woods said he plans to play with a team at some point this summer, and looks forward to showing the crowd some moves he wouldn't try under Larry Brown's watch.

"You can do a lot of things that you can't do in the league," Woods said. "It's more free-flowing, it's more individual."

I'd love to package jrose and woods for harrington...simply love to.

then we could really see some magic AND depth.
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7/16/2006  9:05 AM
Hmm, Interesting.

At the very least he's in the City...or he was in early July.

Hopefully Isiah will give him a chance. I see where Udoka has a spot on the team. Udoka seems like a nice enough guy but talent wise you can't even mention him in the same sentence with Qyntel...oops

If Isiah lets Butler go then I think Qyntel should be automatic for a roster spot. Even if Isiah keeps JB Qyntel should be brought back.

They've got 17 roster spots now with the rookies included. Release Udoka (sorry bro) and buyout Malik and everything fits.

Qyntel at the 3

[Edited by - Junkmein on 07-16-2006 09:07 AM]
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7/16/2006  9:07 AM
he is talking about the NYers wahing the EBC's.

"You can do a lot of things that you can't do in the league,"

nothing to do with Larry Brown but the structure of the league in general

Q2 like everybody else wans PT. Only in bizarro Zeke-lover world is the idea that people will be happy riding pine or playing off and on and won't cancer on a team most think won't even win 40 games is plausible

[Edited by - McK1 on 07-16-2006 09:10 AM]
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7/16/2006  9:15 AM
I got the part about Zeke-lovers and everything.

But "NYers wahing the EBC's" and "won't cancer on a team most think won't even win 40 games is plausible"

Help me out here McK1

You got a hangover don'tcha.
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7/16/2006  9:47 AM
I love Q2...he really started to blossom on that road trip, I remember him going bonkers on oops and defense until the ill fated 360 dunk attempt.

I think isiah will encourage that type of offensive creativity, especially on the break.

I'm with you JM, Q2 is an automatic...though there won't be any buying out of contracts though.

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Malik's contract is reasonable and I see no reason why san antonio wouldn't welcome him back with open arms in a s&t. I'd take a pick for Malik/butler and sign Q2.
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Hope that JJ comes into camp in shape or miller is a servicable replacement or someone emerges as the backup number 4/5...in this offense, moT may have a place.

check out the indiana minute distribution when zeke was coaching. They had al harrington and artest basically splitting time at the 3 and that really seemed to work out...my feelings are that zeke is going with a 2 deep SF rotation with balkman working his way to challenging around the trading deadline.

oh, and mck1 is definitely hungover.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 07-16-2006 09:48 AM]
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7/16/2006  9:55 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Last season against Philly this guy was totally teeing off on the Sixers

Posted by JUNKMEIN:

LB pulled him out. I recall Marbury screaming out very loudly...no, no don't take him out.


wow, that says a lot don't you think ?
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7/16/2006  10:00 AM
where are all these knick fans coming from?
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7/16/2006  10:23 AM
Posted by raven:
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Last season against Philly this guy was totally teeing off on the Sixers

Posted by JUNKMEIN:

LB pulled him out. I recall Marbury screaming out very loudly...no, no don't take him out.


wow, that says a lot don't you think ?

Well i'm assuming you're referring to the irony of Marbury basically openly objecting to and contesting an LB rotation decision. I can see where Marbury's decision could be taken as insubordination. This is true and it definitely shows that there was a major problem with communication last year. If I was in LB's position I wouldn't go for it either.

One thing that there is no debate over is that miscommunication certainly led to our almost record setting 23 wins. The one thing that is a fact is that "we" did indeed set a record with 42 some oddball starting lineups. That can't be explained away with stats or blowhard opinions. It is what it is.

Regardless, i'm 1000% certain that Q2 can become a major baller given on court time. That Philly game convinced me of that...despite LB benching him and Marbury's vocal objection.

Qyntel at the 3.
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7/16/2006  10:40 AM
I'm of the opinion that Qyntel can be our starter at the 3.
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7/16/2006  11:02 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Hmm, Interesting.

At the very least he's in the City...or he was in early July.

Hopefully Isiah will give him a chance. I see where Udoka has a spot on the team. Udoka seems like a nice enough guy but talent wise you can't even mention him in the same sentence with Qyntel...oops

If Isiah lets Butler go then I think Qyntel should be automatic for a roster spot. Even if Isiah keeps JB Qyntel should be brought back.

They've got 17 roster spots now with the rookies included. Release Udoka (sorry bro) and buyout Malik and everything fits.

Qyntel at the 3

[Edited by - Junkmein on 07-16-2006 09:07 AM]

Well said. ABSOLUTE NO-BRAINER! I'll be so pissed off if they let this kid go. Q2 is light years ahead of Udoka talent-wise it's not even close. All this kid needs is minutes/PT to develop. That's it. He never had it in Portland or Boston. Finally got a little with us last year but not nearly enough. I suspect that the only thing that might be holding this whole thing up is Dolan. Maybe Dolan pulled the plug on Zeke money-wise (no more signings, no buyouts etc.). If that's the case then shame on you James Dolan. These are cosmetic changes we're talking about here Jimmy, nothing drastic. Jeeez.... We're talking the LL exception or only part of the mid level for Qyntel. That's it. And Malik really has to go. If Dolan won't go for it fine but there just isn't any room for him. We've been fiscally irresponsible before, God knows, but no one would accuse us of going overboard with a move like this. You can't tell Zeke to pull double duty last minute like this and then handcuff the guy when it's obvious he needs to do a little more minor clean-up with this roster (buyout Malik Rose, sign Jackie Butler and Qyntel Woods).

Q2 played for us last season and played well until Larry loon decided to put the kid in a straight jacket. He is young and fills a need for us at the SF position. He's a better option than anyone else we have on the roster at the 3. He won't cost much - a bargin for the type of upside we're talking about. So what's the problem? We already made a huge SF blunder with the Ron Artest/Freddy Weis thing. Don't make another one with Woods. Let Zeke make this happen Dolan!
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7/16/2006  11:31 AM
translation:

you can't play everybody.

Qyntel and Jackie know this. they'll move on to situations where consistent PT is available. nothing Isiah can do about that unles Dolan agrees to do what senile Larry Clown said and cut 100 mill in salaries.
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7/16/2006  11:37 AM
Posted by McK1:

translation:

you can't play everybody.

Qyntel and Jackie know this. they'll move on to situations where consistent PT is available. nothing Isiah can do about that unles Dolan agrees to do what senile Larry Clown said and cut 100 mill in salaries.

You really think 100 million in salaries would have to be cut by Dolan to fit Qyntel and Jackie or are you just being cynical?

I'm not sensing any balance in your response. Do you believe Jackie and Qyntel (who imo can both ball) are worth the relatively little funds made available by releasing Udoka and buying out Malik?

Do you not believe..as I do...that Jackie at the very least can beat out JJ and Qyntel can beat out Q1 and Jalen at the 3? I am cautiously reserving the backup 3 to Balkman (that kid is a swerving dervish of energy)




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Posted by JUNKMEIN:



You really think 100 million in salaries would have to be cut by Dolan to fit Qyntel and Jackie or are you just being cynical?


I'm saying cutting players ahead of them is a clear sign they would get PT
I'm not sensing any balance in your response. Do you believe Jackie and Qyntel (who imo can both ball) are worth the relatively little funds made available by releasing Udoka and buying out Malik?

i'm saying its not a money issue, its a playing time issue. releasing Ime and Malik don't answer the question of playing time at the 3 or 4/5
Do you not believe..as I do...that Jackie at the very least can beat out JJ and Qyntel can beat out Q1 and Jalen at the 3? I am cautiously reserving the backup 3 to Balkman (that kid is a swerving dervish of energy)

IMO Jackie could beat out Curry at starting 1 all things being equal. however they are not. too much money and assets invested in Curry and James to play a 21 yr old CBA center ahead of them. Isiah is under enough scrutiny as is.

Qyntel is not a better basketball player than Jalen Rose. he might could beat out Q. neither Rose or Q1 are going to the bench for Woods quietly. Plus Isiah drafted ready to contribute Balkman and we all know the controversy surrounding it. I can't see Isiah not plaing Renaldo.

In the end its a numbers game. jackie and Q got legit shots at NBA life thanx to NY but now that there in it would seem the opportunity to grow into rotation players and possibly more lies elsewhere for them



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