Posted by Rich:

So much for the idea that the war in Iraq would benefit peace in the Middle East.

Posted by OasisBU:

Posted by Rich:

So much for the idea that the war in Iraq would benefit peace in the Middle East.

Israel is behind this one though - the thorn in the Arab worlds side as they see it. While installing democracy in the middle east is a novel idea, it still wont solve the fact that they all want to get rid of Israel. I am not taking sides with either one, but clearly there is a lot more to this problem then just Iraq. This stuff has been going on since the beginning of humanity it seems.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by Rich:

The U.S. was in a much stronger position to be an honest broker in the Middle East peace process before the war in Iraq. It has sapped our resources, diminished our prestige around the world, and strained relationships with many of our historic allies.

Very well sspoken. But Israel has been our butt boy for hire since forever, so I don't know how much credibilityu the US had in the region to begin with. In any case, you are right that the last 5 - 15 years haven't helped that cause at all.

The ONLY solution that will ever work is a secular bi-partisan state. You shouldn't have a state based on religous ideals, or heritage. You have a group of foward tinking Israelis and Palestinians come together and put a plan together. No more seperation, bombing, fighting and killing. Ordinary people do not want that. Ordinary people want to feed their kids and live decent lives. The extremeists who are now in power set the tone though and others follow. One state, with a combined Israel and Palestine, and shared resources. Dont exploit each other based on religion or ethnicitty...exploit based on class, the American way!! ;)

BTW Bush is so freaking stupid for co-signing Israel's actions in public. It is such a bad PR move globally, not to mention it is morally wrong. The whole world except US & Israel sees it.

Posted by colorfl1:


Israel is under attack by proxy agents of Syria and Iran... the two most egregious violators of state sponsored terrorism worldwide.
The U.S. is forced to back Israel in defending itself because they are using the very same rationale to fight their war on terror.

Other countries (China Russia, Japan and the EU) are invested on winning favour for Middle East oil investment and economic opportunities in the Middle East and therefore are manipulated into holding Israel to a higher standard of accountability than any other sovereign State. No other country would show as much restraint to neighbors shooting missiles into their territory for the past two years without declaring outright war.

To suggest that there is a secular progressive solution to this problem is extremely naive. The existence of a thriving Israel is an offence to fundamentalist Islam. If Islam’s Allah appointed the world’s Muslim’s as his new chosen people then why is Israel allowed to thrive? This causes a crises of faith, and therefore a fundamental for fundimental Islamists need to wipe Israel off the map. Islam is a supressionist ideology in that it is based on the belief that God has forsaken the Jewish nation in favour of the followers of Mohammad… They cannot ignore the Israel phenomena and what its existence challenges to their belief system…

You cannot remove religious ideology from this fundimental struggle for the world’s religious epicenter of the world’s 3 major monotheistic religions. This is not about a democratic presence in the Middle East… this is more about the religious fundamentalist’s world view and the fallout of such…

Us bystanders in the West better grasp this distinction because the only way to placate these guys is to convert or be annihilated….

Posted by colorfl1:


Israel is under attack by proxy agents of Syria and Iran... the two most egregious violators of state sponsored terrorism worldwide.
The U.S. is forced to back Israel in defending itself because they are using the very same rationale to fight their war on terror.

Other countries (China Russia, Japan and the EU) are invested on winning favour for Middle East oil investment and economic opportunities in the Middle East and therefore are manipulated into holding Israel to a higher standard of accountability than any other sovereign State. No other country would show as much restraint to neighbors shooting missiles into their territory for the past two years without declaring outright war.

To suggest that there is a secular progressive solution to this problem is extremely naive. The existence of a thriving Israel is an offence to fundamentalist Islam. If Islam’s Allah appointed the world’s Muslim’s as his new chosen people then why is Israel allowed to thrive? This causes a crises of faith, and therefore a fundamental need for fundimental Islamists to wipe Israel off the map.
Islam is a supressionist ideology in that it is based on the belief that God has forsaken the Jewish nation in favour of the followers of Mohammad… hence Islamists believe that they have superseded role the Children of Isreawithin the bile's prohesiesl... They cannot ignore the Israel phenomenon and that its' very existence challenges their very belief system… Isreal's existance is an insult to fundimentalist Islam...

Regardless of whether we take this religious menutia seriously... are attitude does not matter becuase these fundamentalists are fueled into action by what the believe and to them these beliefs are everything that matters...

You cannot remove religious ideology from this fundimental struggle for the world’s religious epicenter of the world’s 3 major monotheistic religions. This is not about a democratic presence in the Middle East… this is more about the religious fundamentalist’s world view and the fallout of such…

Us bystanders in the West better grasp this distinction quick because the only way to placate these guys is to convert or be annihilated….