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crzymdups
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7/12/2006  12:30 PM
...because I don't believe it. This kid is miles ahead of Ariza. He can run the break, pass like a PG, cuts extremely well, has a nose for the ball. As much instinct and athleticism as Ariza had, I think Balkman has a far better understanding of the game and a more developed skill set.

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7/12/2006  12:41 PM
totally! neither has a jumpshot but Balk does everything else so much better. His passing has really impressed me and he's miles ahead of Ariza defensively. Ariza was not a good defender he just happen to come up with a couple lucky steals. Balk gets in people's faces & denies them the ball, blocks shots, rebounds, ignites fastbreaks and dribble penetrates. His shot is atrocious though. Like Ariza I don't think he'll ever be a decent shooter
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7/12/2006  12:43 PM
fully agree. Balkman is already ahead of Trevor in nearly all aspects of the game minus experience (not to be taken lightly). Not to mention that he was the leader and heart of his college team. His motor is v-10 hemi whereas Ariza has a v-6 camry engine.
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7/12/2006  12:51 PM
Ariza's problem is there are many players that have athletic ability, however Ariza has to learn how to get other skills to make him different from everyone else.

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7/12/2006  12:52 PM
Ariza has to learn simple basketball fundamentals like dribbling and shooting and stay with your man
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7/12/2006  12:57 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Ariza has to learn simple basketball fundamentals like dribbling and shooting and stay with your man

This sounds like he has to learn how to play basketball.

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7/12/2006  12:58 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Ariza has to learn simple basketball fundamentals like dribbling and shooting and stay with your man

This sounds like he has to learn how to play basketball.


exactly lol
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7/12/2006  1:02 PM
comparing the two play, i can already tell that balkman is a better dribbler and a better passer too, balkman makes smart descions with the ball too
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7/12/2006  1:08 PM
i always liked reezy and i still think his game's gonna develop and he's gonna bust out as a player. he's a guy who's gonna take a few years to put it all together. i'm gonna be watching for him and nelson this year. i got a feeling they're gonna develop a lot of chemisty.

i like what i see from balkman so far but it's impossible to extrapolate from these summer games to real games. in recent years sweetney and skita looked like sure all-stars from these games while bosh looked like a bust.
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7/12/2006  1:15 PM
Balkman looks like he has the ability to develop a midrange pull up off of his left handed drive. If he worked on it constantly he could add that. Which would be huge. His left handed drive is very strong.

Also want to add. It was said that lifting weight was new to Mardy Collins. He isn't close to what he could be physically. Him and Balkman with a few yrs of nba weight training could really develop into something nice. Collins doesn't look like he will be an offensive threat. Though he has been playing very scared so its hard to judge him. He does have a ton of potential defenisvley especially when he develops his body. He has a good defensive technique. Collins needs to work on his mid range game heavy to. And needs to be a guy that abuses guards in the paint. On post ups, on cuts, defense, on fast breaks.
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7/12/2006  1:19 PM
Collins has a pretty shot its only a matter of time before he starts knocking them done on a consistent basis. A guy like that will improve his shot. not so sure about balkman/ariza with that whacked out mechanics. I don't know how Marion does it!
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7/12/2006  1:21 PM
Posted by Marv:

i always liked reezy and i still think his game's gonna develop and he's gonna bust out as a player. he's a guy who's gonna take a few years to put it all together. i'm gonna be watching for him and nelson this year. i got a feeling they're gonna develop a lot of chemisty.

i like what i see from balkman so far but it's impossible to extrapolate from these summer games to real games. in recent years sweetney and skita looked like sure all-stars from these games while bosh looked like a bust.

I loved Ariza. how many times have I bemoaned Larry Brown forcing him out of here?

but Balkman is doing stuff that will translate in the league - rebounding and finishing in traffic, running the floor, running the break, making sharp smart cuts.

if Balkman's play means nothing against guys like Ron Artest, Jason Maxiell, Kevin Martin and other actual NBA players - what does Marcus Williams playing against fringe NBDL guys mean? I think Balkman's performance means more given the level of competition in Vegas.

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7/12/2006  1:26 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Ariza has to learn simple basketball fundamentals like dribbling and shooting and stay with your man

This sounds like he has to learn how to play basketball.

Man I been saying that all season!

Ariza can't dribble up court without looking down. Watch balkman. Balkman is running up court with his head up looking all over the place keeping a beautiful dribble. Its not just on the break. I'm watching the summer league recap now and Balkman is impressive. Dude doesn't do what he can't and that at this time is launch jumpers. Even though he doesn't shoot he is still a threat. Dude still looks to drive and he can make plays so you can't leave him.

Another thing with balkman is he can actually finish off a play without having to go over the top for the dunk. No out of control, please ref bail me out time retard throw ups at the rim.

Balkman and ariza are not the same player. Ariza has now 3 years on him as a pro. He still has a chance to get better but I could care less. Balkman is a true knick. Isiah needs his props.
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7/12/2006  1:30 PM
Balkman is a guy who's play will translate no matter what level he's playing on whereas a guy like Sweetney can dominate lesser competition. Just don't play too much attention to summerleague stats. Nate the other day, put up good #'s but played like **** as he hoisted up ridiculous 3's and didn't get his teammates involved.
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7/12/2006  1:30 PM
yeah, another thing that seperates Balkman from Ariza is Balkman's ability to take his man off the dribble. Ariza absolutely could not do that and relied purely on exploding past someone directly off a pass. Balkman can face up, make a pass or create a play with his own dribble. that's a huge difference.

time will tell, but it certainly seems that Balkman is a good fit for this team. the passing between he and Lee is inspiring.
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7/12/2006  1:35 PM
can we see him against NBA competition?
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7/12/2006  1:36 PM
If Balkman can develop a stop and pop move on the break and off screens watchout!
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7/12/2006  1:36 PM
Posted by fishmike:

can we see him against NBA competition?


he's too fast for nba competition on both ends of the floor
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7/12/2006  1:37 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

yeah, another thing that seperates Balkman from Ariza is Balkman's ability to take his man off the dribble. Ariza absolutely could not do that and relied purely on exploding past someone directly off a pass. Balkman can face up, make a pass or create a play with his own dribble. that's a huge difference.

time will tell, but it certainly seems that Balkman is a good fit for this team. the passing between he and Lee is inspiring.

Thanks for the links... your right, Ronaldo's got some fundamentals.. and tools that have been downplayed... he's a pretty good passer and can handle some.

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7/12/2006  1:37 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Marv:

i always liked reezy and i still think his game's gonna develop and he's gonna bust out as a player. he's a guy who's gonna take a few years to put it all together. i'm gonna be watching for him and nelson this year. i got a feeling they're gonna develop a lot of chemisty.

i like what i see from balkman so far but it's impossible to extrapolate from these summer games to real games. in recent years sweetney and skita looked like sure all-stars from these games while bosh looked like a bust.

I loved Ariza. how many times have I bemoaned Larry Brown forcing him out of here?

but Balkman is doing stuff that will translate in the league - rebounding and finishing in traffic, running the floor, running the break, making sharp smart cuts.

if Balkman's play means nothing against guys like Ron Artest, Jason Maxiell, Kevin Martin and other actual NBA players - what does Marcus Williams playing against fringe NBDL guys mean? I think Balkman's performance means more given the level of competition in Vegas.

Balkman is the next Dennis Rodman--man I saw him destroy Ron Artest

Marcus Williams stinks hes only playing against 3 NBA players[the max amount the rules let you have] mike Gansy Pittsnogglke etc.. all BE stars avg 20-11-4 in 2 games hes nothing


Frye is the next Tim Duncan Bynum has nothing over him. Just because hes eaten up his competition that included several first round picks and a 7-4 Greek C av 20 -21.5 3 in his last two at 18 yrs old--no future there

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