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7/11/2006  7:15 AM
During the preseason game the other day Walt Frazier said that Curry is down to the weight and condition that the Knicks want him to be. Also Aguirre is suppose to really be workout with Curry after the summer league.

Do you feel Curry will have a good year and be in shape?
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7/11/2006  7:36 AM
one depends on the other

If Curry wasnt out of shape every single year (except of course his contract year) he's been in the league this wouldnt have been such a bad trade. What kills me more than anything is they gave up so much for a guy clearly not dedicated to basketball. If this year is different great... seeing is believing.
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7/11/2006  7:38 AM
besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

It will also help if he doesn't lead with his shoulder on every post move.
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7/11/2006  8:45 AM
Posted by franco12:

besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

It will also help if he doesn't lead with his shoulder on every post move.

I fugure that Aguirre will help Eddy work on avoiding those offensive fouls. Eddy being in shape will provide added benefit to whatever he's trying to improve on.
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7/11/2006  9:04 AM
I hope he is. Did anyone else hear the annoucers say Frye was at 3-4% body fat? There is no way that is true.
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7/11/2006  9:05 AM
The one major thing I don't understand is Curry not getting in shape during the season. Okay, we know he didn't train last summer. But, the season is 6 months long. What exactly prevented him from improving his conditioning during that span of time???
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7/11/2006  10:08 AM
Posted by franco12:

besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

this is what baffles me. An offense that exploits his strengths includes outside shooter who spread the floor, a post-up game with guys who know how to feed the post, and a slow-down game so that Curry can get set.

And I think Isiah is talking about running. Those 2 things really don't match.

Now, this is not to say that Curry can't move up the court for a big man, but in a PHO-style offense you take the first goood shot you see every time down the court, not wait for your post-up guy to find position.

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7/11/2006  10:12 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

this is what baffles me. An offense that exploits his strengths includes outside shooter who spread the floor, a post-up game with guys who know how to feed the post, and a slow-down game so that Curry can get set.

And I think Isiah is talking about running. Those 2 things really don't match.

Now, this is not to say that Curry can't move up the court for a big man, but in a PHO-style offense you take the first goood shot you see every time down the court, not wait for your post-up guy to find position.


Martin, it's mind boggling. If we are building an offense around Curry why have we only targeted guys that will do nothing but take the ball out of his hands. Instead we are turning into a role player that needs to rebound and block shots. Two things he does not focus on. It's weird how management goes out and builds a team. Not one consistent jumpshooter ont he roster.
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7/11/2006  10:28 AM
Gus Johnson said isiah told him he'd runa an offense that's a combination of John Wooden's UCLA system, Bobby Knights, and Tex Winter's triangle.

May need a Mensa to figure that one out. Probably means Steph running pick and roll with Frye and penetrate and dish to Eddy...
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7/11/2006  10:33 AM
None of this stuff means anything unless these good feelings and being in shape translates into a winning atmospehre
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7/11/2006  11:10 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

this is what baffles me. An offense that exploits his strengths includes outside shooter who spread the floor, a post-up game with guys who know how to feed the post, and a slow-down game so that Curry can get set.

And I think Isiah is talking about running. Those 2 things really don't match.

Now, this is not to say that Curry can't move up the court for a big man, but in a PHO-style offense you take the first goood shot you see every time down the court, not wait for your post-up guy to find position.


What Isiah is describing sounds a lot like the Celtcis of the Bird era. A post-up game that had a very effective fastbreak.
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7/11/2006  11:15 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

this is what baffles me. An offense that exploits his strengths includes outside shooter who spread the floor, a post-up game with guys who know how to feed the post, and a slow-down game so that Curry can get set.

And I think Isiah is talking about running. Those 2 things really don't match.

Now, this is not to say that Curry can't move up the court for a big man, but in a PHO-style offense you take the first goood shot you see every time down the court, not wait for your post-up guy to find position.


What Isiah is describing sounds a lot like the Celtcis of the Bird era. A post-up game that had a very effective fastbreak.

Who are the decision makers running the fast break? Who are the rebounds and outlet passers that initiate the fast break? Who is going to feed the post?
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7/11/2006  11:16 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

this is what baffles me. An offense that exploits his strengths includes outside shooter who spread the floor, a post-up game with guys who know how to feed the post, and a slow-down game so that Curry can get set.

And I think Isiah is talking about running. Those 2 things really don't match.

Now, this is not to say that Curry can't move up the court for a big man, but in a PHO-style offense you take the first goood shot you see every time down the court, not wait for your post-up guy to find position.

funny, I seem to remember Amare posting up, Diaw posting up and Curry being able to run the floor pretty well. it's possible to design a system that does both.
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7/11/2006  11:24 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

this is what baffles me. An offense that exploits his strengths includes outside shooter who spread the floor, a post-up game with guys who know how to feed the post, and a slow-down game so that Curry can get set.

And I think Isiah is talking about running. Those 2 things really don't match.

Now, this is not to say that Curry can't move up the court for a big man, but in a PHO-style offense you take the first goood shot you see every time down the court, not wait for your post-up guy to find position.


What Isiah is describing sounds a lot like the Celtcis of the Bird era. A post-up game that had a very effective fastbreak.

Who are the decision makers running the fast break? Who are the rebounds and outlet passers that initiate the fast break? Who is going to feed the post?


The decision maker running the break? hmmm....It ain't Blubury since it is not his game. Maybe Francis or Nate?

Rebounds and outlet passers? Lee and Balkman

Who is going to feed the post? Boobury and Collins if he get PT.

[Edited by - NYKBocker on 07-11-2006 11:25 AM]
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7/11/2006  11:25 AM
Posted by martin:

Who are the decision makers running the fast break? Who are the rebounds and outlet passers that initiate the fast break? Who is going to feed the post?
If I listened to you guys I would believe that Steph can't do anything. He can't run a break, he can't get a big the ball, he can't do anything, he's just useless.

And none of our bigs can grab a board or pass the ball. This stuff isn't nearly is complicated as you guys would like to make it seem.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 07-11-2006 11:26 AM]
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7/11/2006  11:38 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
If I listened to you guys I would believe that Steph can't do anything. He can't run a break, he can't get a big the ball, he can't do anything, he's just useless.

And none of our bigs can grab a board or pass the ball. This stuff isn't nearly is complicated as you guys would like to make it seem.

It's not a question if our guys can DO these things, it's can they do them at an above average NBA level. That is what winning in this league entails.

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7/11/2006  11:38 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by martin:

Who are the decision makers running the fast break? Who are the rebounds and outlet passers that initiate the fast break? Who is going to feed the post?
If I listened to you guys I would believe that Steph can't do anything. He can't run a break, he can't get a big the ball, he can't do anything, he's just useless.

And none of our bigs can grab a board or pass the ball. This stuff isn't nearly is complicated as you guys would like to make it seem.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 07-11-2006 11:26 AM]

Marbury is a good pick and roll guy. If he is limited to 2-3 options, he is VERY good. He is also good at getting himself to the rim. We are talking about a passing team who also has a PG that is pass first and score only if absolutely necessary.

Curry can't find a rebound unless is goes directly to him. And have you watched him closely trying to outlet the pass? Very shakey. Can Frye do more?
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7/11/2006  11:40 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by martin:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

this is what baffles me. An offense that exploits his strengths includes outside shooter who spread the floor, a post-up game with guys who know how to feed the post, and a slow-down game so that Curry can get set.

And I think Isiah is talking about running. Those 2 things really don't match.

Now, this is not to say that Curry can't move up the court for a big man, but in a PHO-style offense you take the first goood shot you see every time down the court, not wait for your post-up guy to find position.


What Isiah is describing sounds a lot like the Celtcis of the Bird era. A post-up game that had a very effective fastbreak.

Who are the decision makers running the fast break? Who are the rebounds and outlet passers that initiate the fast break? Who is going to feed the post?


The decision maker running the break? hmmm....It ain't Blubury since it is not his game. Maybe Francis or Nate?

Rebounds and outlet passers? Lee and Balkman

Who is going to feed the post? Boobury and Collins if he get PT.

[Edited by - NYKBocker on 07-11-2006 11:25 AM]

LOL. Nate can't run a Summer League offense no less an NBA up-tempo one. ANd Balkman and Collins ain't getting too much playing time IMHO. Franbury like to pound the ball and aren't the best at feeding the post. Better at pick-n-roll.
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7/11/2006  11:42 AM
this may shock people but I have ZERO worries or concerns about Isiah coaching the offense. If you watched him w/ the Pacers he was great at getting different guys the ball and creating looks that were very hard to defend. Eddie will get his shots and a lot of garbage points off our guards getting in the lane. Isiah will so a good job there, I think its his strength. What hurt him in Indy were his sub patterns were simply bizaare, and his time out/game managment was even worse. Those two things cost him playoff series. His teams were ready and prepared to play, and they played well. He simply got outcoached when the minutes and seconds started to count.
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7/11/2006  11:44 AM
Crawford is a pretty good decision-maker on the break. As is, believe it or not, Marbury. And Lee and Balkman can run the ball up the floor, too.
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