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BigC
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7/10/2006  4:25 PM
I think Lee and Frye have a good chemistry together and it might be a good idea for Isiah to start Lee and Frye together. Lee would be able to pick up the lack of rebounding at the 4 and 5 spot and bring his high energy on the court. What do you think about starting Lee with Curry and Frye in the frontcourt?
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7/10/2006  4:27 PM
i wouldn't mind it... they did well w/Lee in the starting lineup for that 6 game winning streak last year.
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7/10/2006  4:35 PM
No. Lee is a 4. Case closed. Against certain teams, Lee & Frye could make a nice 4/5 tandem.
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7/10/2006  4:41 PM
Posted by purple012870:

No. Lee is a 4. Case closed.


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[Edited by - TMS on 07-10-2006 4:41 PM]
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7/10/2006  5:02 PM
Posted by BigC:

I think Lee and Frye have a good chemistry together and it might be a good idea for Isiah to start Lee and Frye together. Lee would be able to pick up the lack of rebounding at the 4 and 5 spot and bring his high energy on the court. What do you think about starting Lee with Curry and Frye in the frontcourt?

Lee-Frye-Curry will be the starting frontcourt. Honestly I, think Curry may be the odd man out. I think taht they are sort of redundant...but then again, on the offensive end, Lee and Fry will be very similiar to in that both of their offensive games are perimeter based-meaning we don't have a low post threat.
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7/10/2006  5:03 PM
Funny, but the only reason people associate Lee w/ the SF position is because jerk-off Larry Brown used that move as another way to sabotauge the team. The kid was born to be a PF, a rare all in one package of rebounding, ball handling, finishing, ambidextrous PF.
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Q: What are your personal goals for the upcoming season? What areas did you focus on improving this summer?

A: I need to improve my jumper and all the skills to play the small forward. Isiah wants me to do that in the off-season, and that’s what I have been working on.

Got this from another site.....I actually agree with you that Lee is more of PF, but it getting him extra minutes on the court means he has to play soem SF, then so be it. His positive energy is much needed for this team.
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7/10/2006  5:12 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Funny, but the only reason people associate Lee w/ the SF position is because jerk-off Larry Brown used that move as another way to sabotauge the team. The kid was born to be a PF, a rare all in one package of rebounding, ball handling, finishing, ambidextrous PF.

that's kinda harsh. Lee himself (I think) has mentioned that if he puts on too much more weight it would slow him down and the rebouding part of his game may decline (all part of his quickness). And to be a true PF I think he would need to bulk up a bit.
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7/10/2006  5:18 PM
CurrLee Fryes!!!
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Posted by martin:
Posted by purple012870:

Funny, but the only reason people associate Lee w/ the SF position is because jerk-off Larry Brown used that move as another way to sabotauge the team. The kid was born to be a PF, a rare all in one package of rebounding, ball handling, finishing, ambidextrous PF.

that's kinda harsh. Lee himself (I think) has mentioned that if he puts on too much more weight it would slow him down and the rebouding part of his game may decline (all part of his quickness). And to be a true PF I think he would need to bulk up a bit.

Exactly! Not only would Lee have to balk up, but he would really have to seriously improve his defense. Because the PF position is one of the most stack positions in the NBA. From the Rasheed Wallace's to the Duncan's of the world.

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7/10/2006  5:32 PM
Maybe that was harsh. My mistake. I apologize.

I am so pissed off at what LB did to this franchise. I know Dolan sucks, but if LB does any semblance of his job last year, we would have been near .500 (and the # 1 pick would have been a mid rounder instead of Ty thomas) & looking forward to the continued development of our promising young players. Instead, every post on this site is "armageddon".

I hope we make the playoffs so that disengenuous, egotistical a--hole Larry Brown's rep is forever tarnished for intentionally losing games.
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by BigC:

I think Lee and Frye have a good chemistry together and it might be a good idea for Isiah to start Lee and Frye together. Lee would be able to pick up the lack of rebounding at the 4 and 5 spot and bring his high energy on the court. What do you think about starting Lee with Curry and Frye in the frontcourt?

Lee-Frye-Curry will be the starting frontcourt. Honestly I, think Curry may be the odd man out. I think taht they are sort of redundant...but then again, on the offensive end, Lee and Fry will be very similiar to in that both of their offensive games are perimeter based-meaning we don't have a low post threat.

I really have to see how Curry looks at the begining of the season before I throw him out of the picture. Curry did not even train last offseason and you can say he kind of missed train camp do to injuires. Clyde was saying that he is where the Knicks want him to be as far as conditioning this offseason. So we have to wait and see.
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7/10/2006  5:52 PM
Curry cost this organization way too much to be out of the picture....He will be given every opportunity to succed.
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7/10/2006  6:28 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Maybe that was harsh. My mistake. I apologize.

I am so pissed off at what LB did to this franchise. I know Dolan sucks, but if LB does any semblance of his job last year, we would have been near .500 (and the # 1 pick would have been a mid rounder instead of Ty thomas) & looking forward to the continued development of our promising young players. Instead, every post on this site is "armageddon".

I hope we make the playoffs so that disengenuous, egotistical a--hole Larry Brown's rep is forever tarnished for intentionally losing games.

LB set the Knicks back for a year. 1 year. If Curry, Marbury don't pan out Isiah may have set the organization back about 3-4 years. One could argue that Dolan has set the Knicks back since he arrived. I mean really, signing Houston to a deal that was about $20M more than what was offered AND for the amount of years it had on it? Dolan was a BIG proponent of giving Houston the $100M payday cause he was a nice face for the public, although I do think Checketts started that whole process.
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7/10/2006  6:42 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by purple012870:

Maybe that was harsh. My mistake. I apologize.

I am so pissed off at what LB did to this franchise. I know Dolan sucks, but if LB does any semblance of his job last year, we would have been near .500 (and the # 1 pick would have been a mid rounder instead of Ty thomas) & looking forward to the continued development of our promising young players. Instead, every post on this site is "armageddon".

I hope we make the playoffs so that disengenuous, egotistical a--hole Larry Brown's rep is forever tarnished for intentionally losing games.

LB set the Knicks back for a year. 1 year. If Curry, Marbury don't pan out Isiah may have set the organization back about 3-4 years. One could argue that Dolan has set the Knicks back since he arrived. I mean really, signing Houston to a deal that was about $20M more than what was offered AND for the amount of years it had on it? Dolan was a BIG proponent of giving Houston the $100M payday cause he was a nice face for the public, although I do think Checketts started that whole process.

I agree entirely. I pause at the Curry/Marbury panning out and I would like to see how IT uses them both. I don't hesitate to think they could both be big mistakes, but I am unwilling to label it as a mistake just yet. (2nd pick overall would have been nice though...we probably would have traded it for Antonio McDyess...).

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7/10/2006  6:48 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by martin:
Posted by purple012870:

Maybe that was harsh. My mistake. I apologize.

I am so pissed off at what LB did to this franchise. I know Dolan sucks, but if LB does any semblance of his job last year, we would have been near .500 (and the # 1 pick would have been a mid rounder instead of Ty thomas) & looking forward to the continued development of our promising young players. Instead, every post on this site is "armageddon".

I hope we make the playoffs so that disengenuous, egotistical a--hole Larry Brown's rep is forever tarnished for intentionally losing games.

LB set the Knicks back for a year. 1 year. If Curry, Marbury don't pan out Isiah may have set the organization back about 3-4 years. One could argue that Dolan has set the Knicks back since he arrived. I mean really, signing Houston to a deal that was about $20M more than what was offered AND for the amount of years it had on it? Dolan was a BIG proponent of giving Houston the $100M payday cause he was a nice face for the public, although I do think Checketts started that whole process.

I agree entirely. I pause at the Curry/Marbury panning out and I would like to see how IT uses them both. I don't hesitate to think they could both be big mistakes, but I am unwilling to label it as a mistake just yet. (2nd pick overall would have been nice though...we probably would have traded it for Antonio McDyess...).

Marbury has the coach he has wanted and is smiling. No more excuses are left.

Same with Curry IMHO. If he is out of shape or doesn't show an attitude for wanting rebouds and playing D - just effort really - I will say that failure for that trade is right around the corner.
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Posted by BigC:
Posted by martin:
Posted by purple012870:

Funny, but the only reason people associate Lee w/ the SF position is because jerk-off Larry Brown used that move as another way to sabotauge the team. The kid was born to be a PF, a rare all in one package of rebounding, ball handling, finishing, ambidextrous PF.

that's kinda harsh. Lee himself (I think) has mentioned that if he puts on too much more weight it would slow him down and the rebouding part of his game may decline (all part of his quickness). And to be a true PF I think he would need to bulk up a bit.

Exactly! Not only would Lee have to balk up, but he would really have to seriously improve his defense. Because the PF position is one of the most stack positions in the NBA. From the Rasheed Wallace's to the Duncan's of the world.


Actually I don't think PF is a stacked position out there- I think SF/SG is much more stacked with Bron, Wade, Melo & Kobe.
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7/10/2006  7:02 PM
Posted by martin:


Marbury has the coach he has wanted and is smiling. No more excuses are left.

Same with Curry IMHO. If he is out of shape or doesn't show an attitude for wanting rebouds and playing D - just effort really - I will say that failure for that trade is right around the corner.

Yes, exactly... now is the time for them to put up or shut up... if they can't perform, you got to clean house and rebuild. Let Kiki make the personnel moves...
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7/10/2006  7:23 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by martin:
Posted by purple012870:

Funny, but the only reason people associate Lee w/ the SF position is because jerk-off Larry Brown used that move as another way to sabotauge the team. The kid was born to be a PF, a rare all in one package of rebounding, ball handling, finishing, ambidextrous PF.

that's kinda harsh. Lee himself (I think) has mentioned that if he puts on too much more weight it would slow him down and the rebouding part of his game may decline (all part of his quickness). And to be a true PF I think he would need to bulk up a bit.

Exactly! Not only would Lee have to balk up, but he would really have to seriously improve his defense. Because the PF position is one of the most stack positions in the NBA. From the Rasheed Wallace's to the Duncan's of the world.


Actually I don't think PF is a stacked position out there- I think SF/SG is much more stacked with Bron, Wade, Melo & Kobe.

Kobe and Wade are 2 guards.

Here is my list some of the 4's in the league. Lee is either going to have to out rebound them or try to stop them.

Brand
Dirk
Rasheed
J Oneal
Dwight Howard
Okafor
Bosh
Charlie Villanueva
K-mart
Garnett
PJ Brown
Diaw, Boris/ sf/pf
Amare
Reggie Evans
Gasol
Krstic
Chris Wilcox
Chris Webber
Nene
Zach Randolph
Ben Wallace

And many of these players have a post game that will put Lee in foul trouble before he even knows what is happening.




[Edited by - BigC on 07-10-2006 7:25 PM]
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7/10/2006  7:28 PM
I'm fine with Lee, Frye and Curry as our frontcourt, and I think Jackie, QW, and Malik should constitute our primary reserves. Balkman seems okay, but a bit redundant to Lee. I'd treat him as a rookie project this year until he can distinguish himself above Lee and Woods.

Lets face it though, while we had plenty of issues with the frontcourt last year the primary problems came from our backcourt. Marbury could never grasp, acknowledge, or dignify what was being asked of him, and Q-Back struggled offensively all year.

This year Mutinybury will get the freedom and the spotlight he "needs", and whatever the failings of the new system may be he wont have the driver's brake on the whole time. That right there will go a loooong way. Plus any increase in production and consistency from the SG spot will also be most welcome.

With consistent production from the 1-4 spots we should be set for mediocrity, and whatever failings may come from Curry will be mitigated by Butlers unspectacular but fundamentally sound play.

I don't expect great defense but I do expect intense effort this year (no excuses, right), and that more than anything is what the last season AND A HALF have lacked.

Anything less than mediocrity will point to another year of poor chemistry, opposing agendas, and a fractured locker room, and it's no secret who I'll blame first for that.

But again, our star(bury) player has his first choice of coaches and the key youth is backing him up, so no excuses this year. Not injuries, not time needed to gell, not deaths in the family, etc. Just play as a goddamn team. We're deep enough, and psyched enough, and we know the job that needs to get done. Just do it.
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