Posted by King1:

Channing twisted a ankle and may miss the rest of summer league. I thought he didnt compete agains Amare like I thought he would

I really thought it was going to be a big test for Channing and I hate to say it, but I think he failed it. Amare is playing on one leg and still controlled Frye handily.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by King1:

Channing twisted a ankle and may miss the rest of summer league. I thought he didnt compete agains Amare like I thought he would

I really thought it was going to be a big test for Channing and I hate to say it, but I think he failed it. Amare is playing on one leg and still controlled Frye handily.

Really?..one summer league game has now defined his career....

Where did I say that Holfresh? Please stop putting words in my mouth, you CONSTANTLY do that.

I figured after a year in this league where Frye showed his inability to play defense against anyone that he would be ready to play some defense on a good player in this league. That didn't happen though.

But please show me where I defined his career by it. Im looking pretty hard at my post and I don't see where I said that.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2006 2:11 PM]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by King1:

Channing twisted a ankle and may miss the rest of summer league. I thought he didnt compete agains Amare like I thought he would

I really thought it was going to be a big test for Channing and I hate to say it, but I think he failed it. Amare is playing on one leg and still controlled Frye handily.

Really?..one summer league game has now defined his career....

Where did I say that Holfresh? Please stop putting words in my mouth, you CONSTANTLY do that.

I figured after a year in this league where Frye showed his inability to play defense against anyone that he would be ready to play some defense on a good player in this league. That didn't happen though.

But please show me where I defined his career by it. Im looking pretty hard at my post and I don't see where I said that.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2006 2:11 PM]

Did you happen to see Amare getting like 40 against Tim Duncan in the playoffs few years back...

You said he failed the big test...WHAT BIG TEST???

Posted by holfresh:




Did you happen to see Amare getting like 40 against Tim Duncan in the playoffs few years back...

You said he failed the big test...WHAT BIG TEST???

Amare did that on healthy knees. He is coming off surgery here and is probably coming back too soon still yet he manhandled Frye. Everytime you go up a good player at the same position you are playing it should bring out your BEST game. I didn't see that from Frye.

Did you watch the game?

Posted by holfresh:




No I didn't but it's summer league...Last year in summer league he totally sucked...He had foul problems and many question whether or not he can play the 4 position or if he can get time on teh floor because he is so foul prone...It's summer league....He turned into one of the top prospects coming out last year and was considered the runner up to Chris Paul for rookie of the year until Larry benched him...nd yes Larry did bench him....Lee is no where close to the talent that Frye is...Not even close....

If summerleague didn't matter then they wouldn't have it. I just don't understand how you can comment on the game if you didn't watch it.

Lee is no where close to the talent that Frye is...Not even close....

This is the problem with Knick fans, everyone sees talent and thats all they care about, what is talent, how does someone with talent who doesn't know how to use it properly win his team games? Frye can shoot the ball at a high clip but what else does he bring? No one is denying Fryes talent but right now Lee is a better fit becuase of what he brings to the team with his defense and rebounding. Channing brings nothing but shooting! Will he change that? Im sure he will but right now the Knicks are in this to win games not to start Frye just because he can shoot the ball!

Another thing. If Frye was not up for this game and did not have it circled on his summer calender then I'm really worried. You want your players to look forward to playing against other top talent at their position, especially Channing entering his 2nd year and ready to take on a larger role with his team. If Channing was not up for this game and his performance shows he might not have been, I'd be worried about his future as a defensive player and rebounder becuase that was the knock on him in college, that he was soft and was a shooter. So far, I'm not seeing anything other then that.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2006 3:59 PM]

"talent" so overrated. Talent has us a 26 win team with stars like Marbury, Francis, Crawford, Curry and of course 4 more years of Jerome JAmes :)
"talent" dropped Gilbert Arenas to the 2nd round and Ben Wallace and Brad Miller out of the draft.

Watch a couple games and get back to me.

Posted by fishmike:

"talent" so overrated. Talent has us a 26 win team with stars like Marbury, Francis, Crawford, Curry and of course 4 more years of Jerome JAmes :)
"talent" dropped Gilbert Arenas to the 2nd round and Ben Wallace and Brad Miller out of the draft.

Watch a couple games and get back to me.

Fish, I said the same exact thing about 2 hours ago in another thread in which I was debating with Holfresh. Talent is overated and some people are REALLY overating talent when they talk about this team.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:




No I didn't but it's summer league...Last year in summer league he totally sucked...He had foul problems and many question whether or not he can play the 4 position or if he can get time on teh floor because he is so foul prone...It's summer league....He turned into one of the top prospects coming out last year and was considered the runner up to Chris Paul for rookie of the year until Larry benched him...nd yes Larry did bench him....Lee is no where close to the talent that Frye is...Not even close....

If summerleague didn't matter then they wouldn't have it. I just don't understand how you can comment on the game if you didn't watch it.

Lee is no where close to the talent that Frye is...Not even close....

This is the problem with Knick fans, everyone sees talent and thats all they care about, what is talent, how does someone with talent who doesn't know how to use it properly win his team games? Frye can shoot the ball at a high clip but what else does he bring? No one is denying Fryes talent but right now Lee is a better fit becuase of what he brings to the team with his defense and rebounding. Channing brings nothing but shooting! Will he change that? Im sure he will but right now the Knicks are in this to win games not to start Frye just because he can shoot the ball!

Another thing. If Frye was not up for this game and did not have it circled on his summer calender then I'm really worried. You want your players to look forward to playing against other top talent at their position, especially Channing entering his 2nd year and ready to take on a larger role with his team. If Channing was not up for this game and his performance shows he might not have been, I'd be worried about his future as a defensive player and rebounder becuase that was the knock on him in college, that he was soft and was a shooter. So far, I'm not seeing anything other then that.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2006 3:59 PM]

I know its summer league, but I totally agree with you nyk. That's how I see it too. You gotta get geeked up to play against a guy like Amare. If not, there's something wrong there. Good call.

Frye is going to have a long career in the NBA as long as he stays healthy. And he will keep improving his game & his body. I don't know if he will ever be a star. But he is talented, works hard, has a team first, can knock down jumpshots, can run the floor, pretty athletic, and is a good finisher. Most young players need a 3 yr window. While we should be critical. We shouldn't be took critical especially at this point.

Who knows maybe he would have played way better in the 2nd half. But he got injured early so we would never know. Plus Amare was fouling the hell out of him. But I won't us that as an excuse. I say lets see where he is 30 games into the upcomming season. If he still looks that overmatched vs quality players then thats when the red flags should really start waving.

In todays NBA from a coaches stand point. You can't stop top bigs from scoring. All you can do is hope to match there production with your own bigs who can score, and stop the others.