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I think David lee has outplayed Channing Frye going back to the last half of last year
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BRIGGS
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7/10/2006  12:39 PM
I like both, but I prefer Lee at PF because of his explosive rebounding and pitbull mentality. He has obviously advanced his offensive skill set and has many advantages over other 4s in terms of running the floor. I like Channing as possibly the starting C at some point. It is possible with Lee and Frye to play both as just forwards, and that could be done if we were able to acquire


A. a shot blocking C
B a solid perimeter shooter ===45% 40%+ from 3

This is where I personally see the foundation of the team and hope for the future. Crawford HOPEFULLY can become consistent and be counted in there to.
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7/10/2006  12:43 PM
i agree w/u about Lee... i prefer him at the 4, but Frye has to show me he can guard NBA centers before i entrust him to be our starting 5 (though Curry doesn't really guard NBA C's either at this point).

also agree w/u about our need for a shotblocker... how about a Curry for Dampier trade? or even more ironic would be Curry back to the Bulls for Tyson Chandler.
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7/10/2006  1:00 PM
Posted by TMS:

i agree w/u about Lee... i prefer him at the 4, but Frye has to show me he can guard NBA centers before i entrust him to be our starting 5 (though Curry doesn't really guard NBA C's either at this point).

also agree w/u about our need for a shotblocker... how about a Curry for Dampier trade? or even more ironic would be Curry back to the Bulls for Tyson Chandler.

maybe you were on vacation but tyson chandler is traded to the NO Hornets. Dampier flatly scks

but i certainly would trade curry for this shot blocker

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7/10/2006  1:11 PM
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7/10/2006  1:12 PM
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7/10/2006  1:13 PM
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7/10/2006  1:16 PM
David is one of my favorite Knicks, BUT, let's just keep things the way they are for now. I like what Frye brings to the table. He's still not where he's gonna be completely yet. Frye and Curry are going to be fine as our frontcourt. We may not have the greatest rebounding and shotblocking, but on this team we have other players who crash the boards and make up for Frye and Curry's deficiency. I actually like Lee at SF and backup PF. Playing him that way will maximize his time on the floor, while not taking away minutes from Frye.

As for Curry, you guys are WAY OFF about him. He's gonna be a better player and just remember that all 3 of our Frontcourt players are the same age. They have plenty of time to continue to develop chemistry and improve their individual games. I'm totally satisfied with our Frontcourt situation. Especially if Isiah keeps Butler.
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7/10/2006  1:34 PM
lee can help make up for currys rebounding... and frye can play some center so i dont mi nd frye coming off the bench but iether way frye and lee are both good
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7/10/2006  1:39 PM
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7/10/2006  1:41 PM
Posted by TMS:

i agree w/u about Lee... i prefer him at the 4, but Frye has to show me he can guard NBA centers before i entrust him to be our starting 5 (though Curry doesn't really guard NBA C's either at this point).

also agree w/u about our need for a shotblocker... how about a Curry for Dampier trade? or even more ironic would be Curry back to the Bulls for Tyson Chandler.
forget centers... Frye needs to show he can guard anyone
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7/10/2006  1:41 PM

Not sure what you are watching bro, but Fyre is a solid 4...Can score, can improve on his inside moves and will...He can develop into an offensive nightmare for other teams...Lee is a very good rebounder and not rugged enough yet to fully man the 4 spot though I think that should be his position...Very good rebunder tho...Frye is a potential allstar..Lee is not...Frye at the 4 is the future of this organization, make no mistakes about that....Lee is will be a very good role player for this organization if used properly, but I think you are jumping the gun a bit there...
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7/10/2006  1:47 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Not sure what you are watching bro, but Fyre is a solid 4...Can score, can improve on his inside moves and will...He can develop into an offensive nightmare for other teams...Lee is a very good rebounder and not rugged enough yet to fully man the 4 spot though I think that should be his position...Very good rebunder tho...Frye is a potential allstar..Lee is not...Frye at the 4 is the future of this organization, make no mistakes about that....Lee is will be a very good role player for this organization if used properly, but I think you are jumping the gun a bit there...


Im just watching the games. Lee is a pitbull--who --if given 35+ minutes will average 11-12 rebounds 11-12 points 55%
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7/10/2006  1:50 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Not sure what you are watching bro, but Fyre is a solid 4...Can score, can improve on his inside moves and will...He can develop into an offensive nightmare for other teams...Lee is a very good rebounder and not rugged enough yet to fully man the 4 spot though I think that should be his position...Very good rebunder tho...Frye is a potential allstar..Lee is not...Frye at the 4 is the future of this organization, make no mistakes about that....Lee is will be a very good role player for this organization if used properly, but I think you are jumping the gun a bit there...


Did you read Briggs reasons for liking Lee better? You made absolutely no mention of Fryes defense in your post and that is by far the worst aspect of Fryes game, that was one of Briggs main points.

The Knicks need to run someone out there who can play defense and doesn't need shots on offense becuase getting shots is going to be hard to come by in the starting lineup between Francis, Marbs, Curry. I think Frye plays much better with Crawford to begin with and Crawford will not be starting so I'd rather bring Frye off the bench at this point. I think Lee gives enough offense where he could start over Frye and his defense and rebounding are certainly better then Frye at this point. Lees value comes playing with the starting unit and Fryes comes playing with Crawford, Nate, etc.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2006 1:51 PM]
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7/10/2006  1:57 PM

hahah...You think Lee can play D at the 4 spot? really....If Lee could have play D at the 4 spot, it would be his job at the start of the season with his rebounding ability...He would be exactly what the Knicks need next to Curry...We would be comparing him to Ben Wallace right now if he could man the 4 spot....But thats not the case is it...Lee is a nice player and I like him...I don't want to bash him but he is not our future at the 4 spot...

Listen, I know what Briggs is doing, trying to angle a way to amke it seem like Lee may be a better option at the 4....I'm not feeling the nuances of his argument...It's plain and simple, Frye is the future at the 4...no arguments....
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7/10/2006  2:05 PM
Posted by holfresh:



Listen, I know what Briggs is doing, trying to angle a way to amke it seem like Lee may be a better option at the 4....I'm not feeling the nuances of his argument...It's plain and simple, Frye is the future at the 4...no arguments....


Holfresh there is arguments, like his defense. I know you were away recently, did you not see Channing Frye get DESTROYED by Amare Stoudamire on one leg. Honestly, show me something that tells me how Channing is a better defender and rebounder then Lee. I think Lee fits MUCH better in the starting lineup becuase of his defense, rebounding and tenacity. Starting Frye is stupid right now becuase 1. he's not going to get any shots and 2. the better players in this league are going to destroy him on a nightly basis offensively. Frye really needs to show he can play defense before he earns a starting spot. The starting nod should not just be handed to him beucase he can shoot the ball from the outside.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2006 2:05 PM]
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:



Listen, I know what Briggs is doing, trying to angle a way to amke it seem like Lee may be a better option at the 4....I'm not feeling the nuances of his argument...It's plain and simple, Frye is the future at the 4...no arguments....


Holfresh there is arguments, like his defense. I know you were away recently, did you not see Channing Frye get DESTROYED by Amare Stoudamire on one leg. Honestly, show me something that tells me how Channing is a better defender and rebounder then Lee. I think Lee fits MUCH better in the starting lineup becuase of his defense, rebounding and tenacity. Starting Frye is stupid right now becuase 1. he's not going to get any shots and 2. the better players in this league are going to destroy him on a nightly basis offensively. Frye really needs to show he can play defense before he earns a starting spot. The starting nod should not just be handed to him beucase he can shoot the ball from the outside.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2006 2:05 PM]



News flash: Lee doesnt play defense at all.....NONE...ZIPPO.....He got time at the 3 spot...Not sure if you were watching the games last year but he always left his man on the perimeter to get the rebound...ALWAYS....ALWAYS....Stop the myth right now bro....He doesn't play D....I don't want to bash him, but please don't push the point that he should start over Frye because of defense...Say rebounding, you have a better chance...
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7/10/2006  2:16 PM
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Posted by nyk4ever:
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Listen, I know what Briggs is doing, trying to angle a way to amke it seem like Lee may be a better option at the 4....I'm not feeling the nuances of his argument...It's plain and simple, Frye is the future at the 4...no arguments....


Holfresh there is arguments, like his defense. I know you were away recently, did you not see Channing Frye get DESTROYED by Amare Stoudamire on one leg. Honestly, show me something that tells me how Channing is a better defender and rebounder then Lee. I think Lee fits MUCH better in the starting lineup becuase of his defense, rebounding and tenacity. Starting Frye is stupid right now becuase 1. he's not going to get any shots and 2. the better players in this league are going to destroy him on a nightly basis offensively. Frye really needs to show he can play defense before he earns a starting spot. The starting nod should not just be handed to him beucase he can shoot the ball from the outside.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-10-2006 2:05 PM]



News flash: Lee doesnt play defense at all.....NONE...ZIPPO.....He got time at the 3 spot...Not sure if you were watching the games last year but he always left his man on the perimeter to get the rebound...ALWAYS....ALWAYS....Stop the myth right now bro....He doesn't play D....I don't want to bash him, but please don't push the point that he should start over Frye because of defense...Say rebounding, you have a better chance...




You made my point for me, Lee going for rebounds when the shot went up is a real tribute to the absolute poor rebounders the Knicks have at the 4 and 5 spot(mainly Curry, Frye, Malik last year)

I wouldn't expect Lee to be able to guard players at the 3 spot, maybe because HE ISN'T A 3! Would you expect Lee to be able to guard the likes of Lebron, Jefferson and all the other 3's in this league? Lee is a PF and when he played the 4 he did a great job of manning up and getting a body on the players he was guarding so he could grab rebounds which is what a 4 should do.

Tell me why should Frye start at the PF other then the fact that you deem him the future becuase he can shoot the ball.
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7/10/2006  2:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:


News flash: Lee doesnt play defense at all.....NONE...ZIPPO.....He got time at the 3 spot...Not sure if you were watching the games last year but he always left his man on the perimeter to get the rebound...ALWAYS....ALWAYS....Stop the myth right now bro....He doesn't play D....I don't want to bash him, but please don't push the point that he should start over Frye because of defense...Say rebounding, you have a better chance...
you really dont watch the games do you?

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7/10/2006  2:25 PM
Lee is still my favorite knick. Frye is what he is a bigman with good offense skills. He's too weak to defend NBA 4's. He'd be better off coming off the bench as backup center. Since there aren't as many good C's as there are PF's

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07-10-2006 2:25 PM]
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7/10/2006  2:26 PM
Maybe Lee is a better defender than Frye, but regardless, he is still a bad NBA defender until he can prove otherwise. Holfresh is right and wrong about one thing. Lee's defense is bad, but it's not b/c he doesn't play it. It's pretty much the same case as Frye, in which he doesn't know how to play defense.

I think the main thing with Lee is that he's still adjusting from the college/HS days, in which big men don't really shoot the long J's and work on the perimeter, but this is a completely different game and that's what Lee is adjusting to. He's not used to having to chase his man around the perimeter b/c he's a 3 pt shooting threat, like Radmonovic. But this is something Lee HAS TO HAS TO HAS TO work on, and really, the same thing goes for Frye. Defense inside and out is what it takes to be a good defender in the NBA these days. He's got to work on closing in on his man on the perimeter ready to contest ANY shots, same with Frye. I think they can do this.

I'm not really worried about Frye being taken to school by Amare this weekend. We've seen him bounce back nicely after bad games, and we've also seen him really try to take it to some real good players.
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