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Isiah...WTF...You LET the Marbury-Brown Feud Happen?!?
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7/9/2006  8:04 AM
Isiah let feud boil

Puts Steph mess on Brown

BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

LAS VEGAS - Isiah Thomas was responsible for bringing Stephon Marbury and Larry Brown together, a merger that blew up famously. And even as Marbury and Brown feuded through the media all season, Thomas never tried to play peacemaker, a decision he says he doesn't regret.

"That was a personal relationship with the coach and the player that as president of the organization I didn't feel that I needed to intercede in the development of that relationship," Thomas said yesterday.

When asked why he didn't try to dissolve the feud, Thomas replied: "The coach that I hire, I can't demand of them the type of relationships that they choose to have with their players."

Without ever mentioning Brown's name, Thomas said his style of coaching is to create a more family-like atmosphere. Thomas' relationship with Marbury has been well-documented and yet Thomas told reporters at the Wynn Hotel yesterday that his relationship with all the players is "pretty strong." He even said the player he is closest to is Jalen Rose.

"I think players need to have one-on-one relationships with the coach," Thomas said. "I think they respond better when they have that type of relationship, whether it was Trevor Ariza, who I spent a lot of time with, or Stephon Marbury. I spend time with all our players. I know about their personal life. I know their mothers, their dads. I think you have to have that type of relationship with our players so you know who is walking through the door that day.

"I way that I was taught is that your coach is not some standoff guy. Your coach is the guy that is the closet thing to you outside of your parents. That's a huge responsibility for a coach. You're a mentor. Not only are you teaching them the game of basketball, you're teaching them the game of life."

It wasn't a coincidence that Thomas brought up Ariza, who was traded last February to Orlando. Brown publicly criticized Ariza last season, calling him "delusional" after Ariza complained about playing time. Garden chairman James Dolan, who fired Brown last month, was upset over Brown's penchant for making critical comments about players.

Every player on the Knicks was acquired by Thomas, but no player is more closely associated with the team's president/coach than Marbury. And it is no secret that Marbury, like many of his teammates, was happy to see Thomas replace Brown. And now they have to perform for a coach who was given a win-or-else edict from Dolan.

"You can't say that it's the point guard's responsibility to make us win and make us lose," said Thomas, who throughout his interview tried to avoid making Marbury the focus. "A lot of guys are playing too. It's not all on him.

"We're the New York Knicks. It's not about Isiah, it's not about Stephon, it's not about Jim Dolan, it's about the Knicks. We're a unit and we've got to get our players to think, feel and act that way. I don't coach looking for a savior to win the game all the time. I coach to teach them."

Originally published on July 9, 2006
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/433681p-365388c.html


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7/9/2006  8:18 AM
I don't read this and think, "Isaiah let fuel boil". It comea across to me that he let his coach determine the type of relationship he (the coach) has with his players. This article was wtitten by Frank Isola but it could have been written by Marc Berman. These guys are bottom feeders when it comes to getting real news.
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7/9/2006  11:08 AM
I don't think Isiah let the fued boil either. Isiah brought in the players. He hired Brown to that huge contract to deal with the players and work with them. If there was a disagreement, they both were unprofessional. Brown should have tried to stop the fued in any way possible to avoid embarrassment of the organization, which it was. Isiah could have stepped in, but they were paying Brown 10 million to deal with the players which he didn't do professionally or well, which is why he lost his job.
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7/9/2006  11:19 AM
There is something to be said for Isiah to step aside and have the coach and player work out their own differences, that's one way to manage.

LB has a history for causing friction between coach and players - amongst others. If you don't have a team that has an identity and knows how to play amongst themselves (see Detriot) there will be conflicts. See Philly for how it was handled a little better/differently.

If, as a President of a team, you really want to see all the parts working together in a more smooth manor you HAVE to step in, especially if you think it'll work over the course for 2, 3, 4, 5 years. Otherwise, you can only think about getting rid of 1 or the other. I mean, we aren't talking about a short spat here and there, right?
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7/9/2006  11:25 AM
zeke hires a hall of fame coach with a resume of winning, i said winning not to be confused with whinning, just so he can undermine you know who when the feuding solving gets complicated......

please....stop the hating bra
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7/9/2006  11:25 AM
We still don't know if Dolan was the driving force behind Brown's hiring.
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7/9/2006  11:31 AM
Posted by Bobby:

zeke hires a hall of fame coach with a resume of winning, i said winning not to be confused with whinning, just so he can undermine you know who when the feuding solving gets complicated......

please....stop the hating bra

don't know who you are repsonding to. What do you mean by "stop the hating bra"?
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7/9/2006  11:33 AM
Brown and MANY of the players didn't get along. Was Isiah to step in and advise LB on those relationships too? It was only the very public nature of LB and Steph that makes people think Isiah should say something, but that would only have masked what was really going on with the WHOLE TEAM.

Besides, did LB listen to anything Isiah, Mills or Dolan said? He was asked to at least stop making negative comments to the media and he didn't. What makes anyone think he'd change how he dealt with Steph or the players? LB didn't mesh with the team and its sad, cuz I really thought it would be different. I expected a rough start, but that in time the team would improve and things would calm down, but that didn't happen. Still you can't blame Isiah for that.
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7/9/2006  11:47 AM
martin, the reply was not directed to anything you said but more to joe's " you let the marbury-brown fued happen"
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7/9/2006  11:54 AM
Posted by Bobby:

martin, the reply was not directed to anything you said but more to joe's " you let the marbury-brown fued happen"

well, the thing is, he did let it happen, for better or worse. LB and Marbury didn't really see eye-to-eye during the Olympics and LB has clashed very recently with Billups and Iverson, so one can fairly simply conclude that LB and Marb were going to go at in very quicly into their tenure together.

A President has a choice, do nothing and let it go or intervene. If you let it go you have to hope that the relationship between player/coach works its way out otherwise it will most definitely have a PROFOUND effect on the entire team (that's the downside risk). Intervene behind the scenes and maybe things still don't get better (downside risk of getting involved).

Either way, it seems very strange.
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7/9/2006  12:08 PM
Posted by martin:

There is something to be said for Isiah to step aside and have the coach and player work out their own differences, that's one way to manage.

LB has a history for causing friction between coach and players - amongst others. If you don't have a team that has an identity and knows how to play amongst themselves (see Detriot) there will be conflicts. See Philly for how it was handled a little better/differently.

If, as a President of a team, you really want to see all the parts working together in a more smooth manor you HAVE to step in, especially if you think it'll work over the course for 2, 3, 4, 5 years. Otherwise, you can only think about getting rid of 1 or the other. I mean, we aren't talking about a short spat here and there, right?

oh, please. if Isiah stepped in, Isola would have written an article saying "THOMAS ADMITS TO UNDERMINING BROWN" and the same Brown supporters would have been screaming in agony over the injustice of it all.

maybe the "feud" could have been avoided if Brown spoke to Marbury instead of speaking through the media.
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7/9/2006  12:18 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bobby:

martin, the reply was not directed to anything you said but more to joe's " you let the marbury-brown fued happen"

well, the thing is, he did let it happen, for better or worse. LB and Marbury didn't really see eye-to-eye during the Olympics and LB has clashed very recently with Billups and Iverson, so one can fairly simply conclude that LB and Marb were going to go at in very quicly into their tenure together.

A President has a choice, do nothing and let it go or intervene. If you let it go you have to hope that the relationship between player/coach works its way out otherwise it will most definitely have a PROFOUND effect on the entire team (that's the downside risk). Intervene behind the scenes and maybe things still don't get better (downside risk of getting involved).

Either way, it seems very strange.

because larry brown is in the category of "elite" coaches larry brown is afforded the autonomy to work things out. if we are to say zeke should've intervene then other issues should have been included, not just the marbury spat

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7/9/2006  12:18 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by martin:

There is something to be said for Isiah to step aside and have the coach and player work out their own differences, that's one way to manage.

LB has a history for causing friction between coach and players - amongst others. If you don't have a team that has an identity and knows how to play amongst themselves (see Detriot) there will be conflicts. See Philly for how it was handled a little better/differently.

If, as a President of a team, you really want to see all the parts working together in a more smooth manor you HAVE to step in, especially if you think it'll work over the course for 2, 3, 4, 5 years. Otherwise, you can only think about getting rid of 1 or the other. I mean, we aren't talking about a short spat here and there, right?

oh, please. if Isiah stepped in, Isola would have written an article saying "THOMAS ADMITS TO UNDERMINING BROWN" and the same Brown supporters would have been screaming in agony over the injustice of it all.

maybe the "feud" could have been avoided if Brown spoke to Marbury instead of speaking through the media.

Exactly. By posting this article, you Brown supporters are showing just how inept he really was. He has decades of experience yet he needs Isiah to hold his hand and teach him people skills.....
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7/9/2006  12:22 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by martin:

There is something to be said for Isiah to step aside and have the coach and player work out their own differences, that's one way to manage.

LB has a history for causing friction between coach and players - amongst others. If you don't have a team that has an identity and knows how to play amongst themselves (see Detriot) there will be conflicts. See Philly for how it was handled a little better/differently.

If, as a President of a team, you really want to see all the parts working together in a more smooth manor you HAVE to step in, especially if you think it'll work over the course for 2, 3, 4, 5 years. Otherwise, you can only think about getting rid of 1 or the other. I mean, we aren't talking about a short spat here and there, right?

oh, please. if Isiah stepped in, Isola would have written an article saying "THOMAS ADMITS TO UNDERMINING BROWN" and the same Brown supporters would have been screaming in agony over the injustice of it all.

maybe the "feud" could have been avoided if Brown spoke to Marbury instead of speaking through the media.

Exactly. By posting this article, you Brown supporters are showing just how inept he really was. He has decades of experience yet he needs Isiah to hold his hand and teach him people skills.....

But didn't this very situation happened in Philly where the GM stepped in to make amends? That's ALSO the GM/President job.

Hey, no one is perfect and everyone needs unexpected help/support from co-workers and managers all the time.

If Isiah didn't want to step in, how come he had direct talks with Marbury? Doesn't that undermine LB? Those types of relationships have to be more fluid.
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7/9/2006  12:34 PM
If Isiah didn't want to step in, how come he had direct talks with Marbury? Doesn't that undermine LB? Those types of relationships have to be more fluid.

martin, in what context did marbury and zeke talked ?

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7/9/2006  12:37 PM
Posted by martin:

[quote]Posted by Bobby:

martin, the reply was not directed to anything you said but more to joe's " you let the marbury-brown fued happen"

well, the thing is, he did let it happen, for better or worse. LB and Marbury didn't really see eye-to-eye during the Olympics and LB has clashed very recently with Billups and Iverson, so one can fairly simply conclude that LB and Marb were going to go at in very quicly into their tenure together.
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7/9/2006  12:42 PM
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Billups stunned feud got out of control



March 17, 2006

Every day is a soap opera playing for Larry Brown. No one knows that better than the Pistons, the team he left last summer for the Knicks after coming within one win of a second consecutive NBA title.

Trying to make Brown happy is emotionally draining. More than once, Pistons point guard Chauncey Billups wanted to tell Brown to jump in the Detroit River, to let him know exactly what he thought about his pass-first offense. Yet even in his darkest of moments, Billups never considered taking on Brown publicly, as Stephon Marbury has.


"There were times I was frustrated and wanted to sound off, but I wouldn't do it," Billups said yesterday. "I don't think it's the right way to do it."

Nothing is going the right way for Brown and the Knicks this season, a point that likely will be driven home again tonight when they host the Pistons. Like any soap opera diva, Brown is a tortured soul, so it seems only logical that he will conclude the most miserable week of his most miserable season by playing his former team.

As much as Brown insists that the Pistons pushed him out the door, his former players believe he would still be there in Detroit if he wanted to be. He could have been coaching the team with the NBA's best record instead of the team with the second-worst. He could have been working with a most valuable player candidate in Billups instead of a most volatile player candidate in Marbury.

"It's true. He had this," Billups said, gesturing at his teammates. "He drove this Rolls-Royce. He chose to change up. It is what it is."

What Brown changed up to is an unsightly jalopy in dire need of a muffler. Brown and Marbury have spent an entire week sniping at each other in the media. Yesterday, the two did sit down, and Brown may have finally gotten Marbury's attention by reminding him who had the most "juice" in the organization. Still, there are no guarantees that the latest détente will last through next week, let alone through the end of the season.

There are many differences between the Pistons and Knicks, most of which boil down to talent. Another key difference, however, is that it is hard to see a battle like this playing out for an entire week in Detroit, hard to see it getting so personal that a player thinks he can actually call his coach insecure. The biggest reason is that someone, either in the front office or on the team, would have stopped it from going so far.

"I think if something had blown up, for instance, between me and Larry, I know the guys would have turned to me and said, 'Man, it ain't that serious. Look at the big picture.' And, I'm sure [general manager] Joe Dumars would have said something."

Knicks president Isiah Thomas, who made Marbury the linchpin of his rebuilding effort, has remained publicly quiet this week. Because Marbury has long been the favored son, the Knicks don't have anyone on the team with the stature to challenge him - or even make him think twice - before he takes on Brown.

Flip Saunders, who replaced Brown on the Pistons, coached Marbury for three seasons in Minnesota. He believes that Brown and Marbury eventually will be on the same page, but it won't happen as quickly as it did with Billups.

"Steph is one of the most competitive guys I've ever coached, and he can be very stubborn from that," Saunders said. "Chauncey is not that stubborn. You can sit down and talk with him. Steph, with your sitdowns, you're going to have to have a few of them to convince him. Once he believes in it, he goes overboard."

Though no one on the Pistons wanted to give Marbury advice, it's clear that for all the mixed feelings they have about the way Brown left them, they respect him as a coach.

"When he was here, everybody grew under him," Rip Hamilton said. "He made everyone a more complete player."

No one benefited more than Billups, who went from journeyman to All-Star under Brown. At the beginning of this season, Billups predicted that Brown would also do great things for Marbury. Instead, Billups is stunned by what's transpired.

"I'm really saddened by it," Billups said. "I know I couldn't play with that [feud]. I think it's taking its toll on everybody."


You don't have to be one of the best point guards in the NBA to see that.
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7/9/2006  12:50 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:

[quote]Posted by Bobby:

martin, the reply was not directed to anything you said but more to joe's " you let the marbury-brown fued happen"

well, the thing is, he did let it happen, for better or worse. LB and Marbury didn't really see eye-to-eye during the Olympics and LB has clashed very recently with Billups and Iverson, so one can fairly simply conclude that LB and Marb were going to go at in very quicly into their tenure together.

did larry not move forward with ivo and billups, and with steph in the olympics ?

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7/9/2006  12:52 PM
Anyone inform Billups that Brown wanted to trade his a** before all the champagne bottles were empty after winning MVP of the finals......
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7/9/2006  12:54 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

Anyone inform Billups that Brown wanted to trade his a** before all the champagne bottles were empty after winning MVP of the finals......

Maybe he doesn't care becuase he's not a primadona like someone else.
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