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knicks1248
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7/8/2006  12:59 PM
On paper we are a playoff team, we are as deep as any team in the east. The one thing IT has not done since he's been here is give the team a chance to grow together, we have basically change the roster twice in less then 24 months and chemistry obviously has become a major concern. The closet we came to having any thing remotely close to chemistry was with KVH, Doleac and KT.

I for one think a combo guard of Stevie and steph should never be ruled out of the question. Defensively is where the problem lies, but how many back courts in the league are lock down guys...the answer is zero. The only guys on this roster that need to be moved is Malik, Jalen and MO, other than that I see a very solid team that if given a respectable amount of time can really succeed to probably a 44 win team.

A major change could really set us back if you think about it.
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7/8/2006  1:08 PM
We need to dump Stevie, otherwise it's a solid roster.
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7/8/2006  1:13 PM
We need to make makjor adjustments. I'm not satisified with being "on paper a playoff team." This team needs a real PG, a SG, and some defensive minded players who can provide good man to man defense against some of the better players in the league. Playing uptempo with no defense is a recipe for disaster in my eyes.
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7/8/2006  1:18 PM
Marbs drives to the hole kicks it to Francis. Francis ball fakes, drives and kicks it to marbury etc.

both are short, slashing guards who can drive and dish or drive and score (and do not do much without the ball). If the other team starts packing the lane + paint though, one of our guards should have a solid jumpshot we can rely on for the kick out and be able to play off the ball.
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7/8/2006  2:04 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

On paper we are a playoff team, we are as deep as any team in the east. The one thing IT has not done since he's been here is give the team a chance to grow together, we have basically change the roster twice in less then 24 months and chemistry obviously has become a major concern. The closet we came to having any thing remotely close to chemistry was with KVH, Doleac and KT.

I for one think a combo guard of Stevie and steph should never be ruled out of the question. Defensively is where the problem lies, but how many back courts in the league are lock down guys...the answer is zero. The only guys on this roster that need to be moved is Malik, Jalen and MO, other than that I see a very solid team that if given a respectable amount of time can really succeed to probably a 44 win team.

A major change could really set us back if you think about it.
which players on our roster have ever been a part of winning playoff programs? Why do people think this is a playoff roster? Unless your that high on the kids (which is fine) the rest of the roster ARE NOT guys that have suceeded in the NBA and have NOT been parts of past playoff teams. So WHY do people assume they should be in the playoffs now?

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7/8/2006  2:22 PM
You don't have to have a team full of playoff veterans to have a team capable of making the playoffs. I don't see why we shouldn't be able to make the playoffs with this roster.

Steph, Francis, Lee, Frye and Curry is a VERY Solid starting five, if Isiah went that way. In any event, our young players are the source of any optimisim we have about this team this year and we know they'll have a bigger role than last year. Also we need to stop thinking in traditional terms when it comes to this team. We don't have the prototypical PG or SG on this team, however they do have considerable talent. All that we need is an offensive scheme designed to make use of their strengths. Just because last year our scheme was designed for a traditional SG/PG tandem, doesn't mean that we can't feature an offense that will make better use of who we have. This is the misconception that seems to keep popping up. Do you know how many teams have inferior PG's yet make due just fine? We may not have a pure PG, but that doesn't mean they can't be more than effective for us. Steph is MORE than capable of running this team and we should get just enough from all the other guards to make it work.
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7/8/2006  2:26 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Steph, Francis, Lee, Frye and Curry is a VERY Solid starting five, if Isiah went that way.

siv, siv, OK, siv, siv. Solid in what way? Your starting backcourt don't keep guys in front of them and Frye/Curry have yet to show they know how to rotate and defend. Lee is another question at the 3 spot for any amount of duration.
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7/8/2006  2:31 PM
We're okay, we just need more guards.
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7/8/2006  5:51 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by nixluva:

Steph, Francis, Lee, Frye and Curry is a VERY Solid starting five, if Isiah went that way.

siv, siv, OK, siv, siv. Solid in what way? Your starting backcourt don't keep guys in front of them and Frye/Curry have yet to show they know how to rotate and defend. Lee is another question at the 3 spot for any amount of duration.

Martin, it makes sense becuase Isiah brough these guys in and put the team together, thats why its solid to some people.
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7/8/2006  6:25 PM
I say we trade Channing and Curry for Allan Iverson.
Then Malik to Boston for Telfair.
Finally we can have a starting five of:
Marbs
Francis
AI
Telfair
Collins

And when we need some defense, we can bring JC off the bench.
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7/8/2006  6:53 PM
MoT to Hawks for 2 future 2nd rounders... they have cap.
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7/8/2006  7:16 PM
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7/8/2006  7:18 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

MoT to Hawks for 2 future 2nd rounders... they have cap.

yeah, but why would they want MoT? He is garbage and you only trade for him cause you would want cap room.
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7/8/2006  7:47 PM
I'm not oppose to having francis come off the bench, I mean if you really want to win you she be able to sacrifice.
Nate, Q, and Francis off the bench is a nice core, throw in a solid big man ( which we should get in a trade for rose, j rose and MO) and we have what it takes to at least develope into a playoff team. I won't ever rule out a major trade if it makes us instant contenders, but to just make a trade to help us win a round or 2 in the playoffs plus still adding payroll and more chemistry issues, I'll pass big time on that...

Thats all we have been doing since Ewings departure, and it hasn't brought us didly sqwat, just deeper into the abyss. We have definately hit rock bottom as a franchise and stabilty seems to be the number one problem in almost ever area. From players to coaches to GMs, even the medical staff..It's no wonder were a nightmare of a mess.
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7/8/2006  9:47 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

On paper we are a playoff team, we are as deep as any team in the east. The one thing IT has not done since he's been here is give the team a chance to grow together, we have basically change the roster twice in less then 24 months and chemistry obviously has become a major concern. The closet we came to having any thing remotely close to chemistry was with KVH, Doleac and KT.

I for one think a combo guard of Stevie and steph should never be ruled out of the question. Defensively is where the problem lies, but how many back courts in the league are lock down guys...the answer is zero. The only guys on this roster that need to be moved is Malik, Jalen and MO, other than that I see a very solid team that if given a respectable amount of time can really succeed to probably a 44 win team.

A major change could really set us back if you think about it.


That's always been the case. Enough time to get it together 'as a team'. Well, maybe they'll finally get that chance, I hope so.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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7/8/2006  9:52 PM
I'm all for letting the team gel together... then trading Q and francis.
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Posted by nyk4ever:

We need to make makjor adjustments. I'm not satisified with being "on paper a playoff team." This team needs a real PG, a SG, and some defensive minded players who can provide good man to man defense against some of the better players in the league. Playing uptempo with no defense is a recipe for disaster in my eyes.

We definately need some D from our guards. I hope Collins gets some minutes to develop faster than expected. There's no question about that. That would help our inside D tremendously and keep the fouls down on our big guys. Remember, the league averaged about 102 points against us. We got to get that down, because we already know we certainly have more than enough offense to score some points.

I'm not willing to use all of our guards to foul, foul, foul only to put the opponent on the line constantly either. We need good D.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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7/8/2006  10:00 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by knicks1248:

On paper we are a playoff team, we are as deep as any team in the east. The one thing IT has not done since he's been here is give the team a chance to grow together, we have basically change the roster twice in less then 24 months and chemistry obviously has become a major concern. The closet we came to having any thing remotely close to chemistry was with KVH, Doleac and KT.

I for one think a combo guard of Stevie and steph should never be ruled out of the question. Defensively is where the problem lies, but how many back courts in the league are lock down guys...the answer is zero. The only guys on this roster that need to be moved is Malik, Jalen and MO, other than that I see a very solid team that if given a respectable amount of time can really succeed to probably a 44 win team.

A major change could really set us back if you think about it.
which players on our roster have ever been a part of winning playoff programs? Why do people think this is a playoff roster? Unless your that high on the kids (which is fine) the rest of the roster ARE NOT guys that have suceeded in the NBA and have NOT been parts of past playoff teams. So WHY do people assume they should be in the playoffs now?

because they have a real coach who is interested in winning ballgames.
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7/9/2006  11:11 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by knicks1248:

On paper we are a playoff team, we are as deep as any team in the east. The one thing IT has not done since he's been here is give the team a chance to grow together, we have basically change the roster twice in less then 24 months and chemistry obviously has become a major concern. The closet we came to having any thing remotely close to chemistry was with KVH, Doleac and KT.

I for one think a combo guard of Stevie and steph should never be ruled out of the question. Defensively is where the problem lies, but how many back courts in the league are lock down guys...the answer is zero. The only guys on this roster that need to be moved is Malik, Jalen and MO, other than that I see a very solid team that if given a respectable amount of time can really succeed to probably a 44 win team.

A major change could really set us back if you think about it.
which players on our roster have ever been a part of winning playoff programs? Why do people think this is a playoff roster? Unless your that high on the kids (which is fine) the rest of the roster ARE NOT guys that have suceeded in the NBA and have NOT been parts of past playoff teams. So WHY do people assume they should be in the playoffs now?

because they have a real coach who is interested in winning ballgames.

Mark Aguirre is only hired for the summer.
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