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Bill Simmions at it again........Isiah may have put Lebron in Chicago
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7/7/2006  1:30 PM
2. LeBron James
I know, I know -- under normal circumstances, he'd be No. 1. But these are the facts ...

A. I keep writing about this, and everyone in Cleveland keeps sending me hate mail, and I don't really know what else to tell you ... but people around the league swear that there's a clause in LeBron's Nike contract (already worth $100 million) that doubles the money if he plays for an NBA team based in New York, Chicago or Los Angeles AND that some of his other endorsement deals have the same clause. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger.

B. We know that LeBron and his peeps are already positioning himself as a multimedia presence, someone who could potentially emulate Magic and P. Diddy and own record companies, movie theaters, clothing lines and everything of that ilk. You need to live in a big city to pull this off -- either New York or L.A.

C. The Cavs blew their cap space last summer (more than $160 million spent on Zydruans Ilguaskas, Damon Jones and Hughes) and have no real way to improve. If you remember, by the end of the Detroit series, poor LeBron was a one-man show. Do you think he wants to spend the next eight to 10 years carrying a mediocre supporting cast?

D. LeBron becomes an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2008. He could sign an extension with the Cavs this summer, but there's really no reason to do so. Thinking logically, he could break any bone or blow out any ligament over the next 24 months and STILL get offered a max contract by every team with cap space. So why not see how this season unfolds and keep his options open? No injury short of paralysis could hurt his value over the next two years.

E. From the NBA's standpoint, nothing would generate more interest in the 2006-07 season than the running subplot, "Is LeBron staying or going?"

F. The first day that teams could offer max extensions to rookies from the 2003 draft class: July 1, 2006. We know that Denver offered one to Carmelo (quickly accepted), Miami offered one to Wade (quickly accepted), and Cleveland offered one to LeBron (NOT accepted -- plus, neither LeBron nor his agent has commented publicly and it has been six days and counting). The silence has been deafening. Repeat: Deafening. In fact, it's developing into the biggest sports story of the summer and nobody seems to give a crap. But they will. Just wait.

G. Everyone in Cleveland is having a collective heart attack. And with reason. If LeBron ends up fleeing the Cavs, that would be the biggest non-injury/non-death blow to a professional team in sports history. Unless they were able to sign-and-trade him for a mother lode of players and picks (like the Oilers did with Gretzky), basketball would die in Cleveland and the team would have to move. Imagine living in Cleveland, watching LeBron pass through town like a comet -- the next Ali/Tiger/Pele/MJ -- then he spends the heart of his career playing in another city? How do you bounce back from that? The answer: You don't.

H. There are dozens of reasons -- literally -- why Isiah Thomas is one of the worst executives in sports history. But his failure to create cap space for the summer of 2008 just in case Facts A-thru-F played out remains his all-time dumbest move. Yes, even dumber than the Curry trade.

(Note: If Bron-Bron re-signs with Cleveland this month, disregard everything in the previous few paragraphs and move him to No. 1 on this list. You never know. And just for the record, I hope he stays in Cleveland because LeBron splitting town would be one of the cruelest sports stories of all-time, even if it was overwhelmingly predictable from day one, and no fan base deserves to get kicked in the collective groin to that degree. Well, unless he goes to the Clippers. Then I would wet myself. Repeatedly.)
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7/7/2006  1:43 PM
The rumor going around last year didnt include Chicago. It was New York or Los Angeles. Is Chicago the 3rd biggest market in the league?
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7/7/2006  1:46 PM
H. There are dozens of reasons -- literally -- why Isiah Thomas is one of the worst executives in sports history. But his failure to create cap space for the summer of 2008 just in case Facts A-thru-F played out remains his all-time dumbest move. Yes, even dumber than the Curry trade.

Any reasonable person would have a tough time arguing with this... even if you don't think LeBron is going to Chicago.
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7/7/2006  1:50 PM
The Francis trade kills the cap for 2008. Damn that Larry Brown....didn't he know he should work the cap numbers before making his trades!!!!
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7/7/2006  1:56 PM
We already knew Isiah is the worst executive in the league for various reasons but this only strengthens the case.
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7/7/2006  2:00 PM
Are you guys all positive that we can't just do the opposite of what we've always done? Trade for players with expiring contracts to relieve cap space?
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7/7/2006  2:02 PM
Posted by metra:

Are you guys all positive that we can't just do the opposite of what we've always done? Trade for players with expiring contracts to relieve cap space?

Who are we going to trade for players with expiring contracts? No one wants Marbury, Francis, Curry, Rose, etc etc. We're stuck with these guys forever which is why I was in favor of waiving them and having players brought in that would atleast try hard night in and night out.
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7/7/2006  2:03 PM
Hello, these are the Knicks, center peice of Cablevision. The team that hasn't developed a rookie since Ewing. Traded for players like Glen RIce, Spreewell, Curry, Allan Houston, Mcdyce, ect. Traded away picks and young players like Nene, Doug Chirsity, Wallace, McCarty, Rod strickland.



Why do knicks fans fall into this trap from any writer is beyond me like they just started following the team 2 seasons ago???? Yeah isiah is the problem.........


[Edited by - Anji on 07-07-2006 2:05 PM]
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7/7/2006  2:04 PM
Posted by Anji:

Hello, these are the Knicks, center peice of Cablevision. The team that hasn't developed a rookie since Ewing. Traded for players like Glen RIce, Spreewell, Curry, Allan Houston, Mcdyce, ect. Traded away picks and young players like Nene, Doug Chirsity, Wallace, McCarty, Rod strickland.



Why do knicks fans fall into this trap from any writer is beyond me like they just started following the team 2 seasons ago????

Because its about damn time things change and the Knicks start developing rookies and stop trading for players like that. It's not a trap, I'm sick of this garbage that goes on with this team.
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7/7/2006  2:04 PM
Posted by metra:

Are you guys all positive that we can't just do the opposite of what we've always done? Trade for players with expiring contracts to relieve cap space?

that almost made me break out in tears I was laughing so hard. First, Isiah would have to GM for another team. Then we are talkin.
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7/7/2006  2:04 PM
I seems over the years that NY is one of the few teams that have been willing to take on salary.
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7/7/2006  2:05 PM
If LeBron wants to sign with the Knicks, they'll work out an s&t. You know we'll have the high salaries to match up with a max deal.
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7/7/2006  2:06 PM
Posted by sbb30:

If LeBron wants to sign with the Knicks, they'll work out an s&t. You know we'll have the high salaries to match up with a max deal.

Lebron has no leverage if he wants to sign with the Knicks. If he goes to Cleveland and says "I'm going to sign with the Knicks so if you want something in return then you better start trade talk" they will just laugh in his face becuase he's not going to sign for the MLE with the Knicks. Isiah has capped this team out and taken himself out of contention for both Lebron AND Greg Oden. You guys still want to root for him?
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7/7/2006  2:08 PM
Posted by sbb30:

If LeBron wants to sign with the Knicks, they'll work out an s&t. You know we'll have the high salaries to match up with a max deal.


Posiibly....but it helps to have some leverage to force that route.
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7/7/2006  2:09 PM
No I hate that people blame Isiah(well I know the media hates him) like if we bring in Jerry west things are going to change. The next guy that comes in is going to have to put a team out that can make the playoffs every season. So why blame Isiah like he wouldn't have tanked from year one if he could. I don't remember too many winning years in TOR??? I don't remember Isiah not wanting to take a chance on Highschoolers with big upside and letting sit on the bench. IT's the knicks Franchise that wants this moves. That is the trap I don't know why fans fall into ever time something like this is posted.
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7/7/2006  2:10 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sbb30:

If LeBron wants to sign with the Knicks, they'll work out an s&t. You know we'll have the high salaries to match up with a max deal.

Lebron has no leverage if he wants to sign with the Knicks. If he goes to Cleveland and says "I'm going to sign with the Knicks so if you want something in return then you better start trade talk" they will just laugh in his face becuase he's not going to sign for the MLE with the Knicks. Isiah has capped this team out and taken himself out of contention for both Lebron AND Greg Oden. You guys still want to root for him?

Nobody would let LBJ walk for free. The nets didn't even let Kmart walk. They would sign and trade.
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7/7/2006  2:11 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by sbb30:

If LeBron wants to sign with the Knicks, they'll work out an s&t. You know we'll have the high salaries to match up with a max deal.

Lebron has no leverage if he wants to sign with the Knicks. If he goes to Cleveland and says "I'm going to sign with the Knicks so if you want something in return then you better start trade talk" they will just laugh in his face becuase he's not going to sign for the MLE with the Knicks. Isiah has capped this team out and taken himself out of contention for both Lebron AND Greg Oden. You guys still want to root for him?

Nobody would let LBJ walk for free. The nets didn't even let Kmart walk. They would sign and trade.

Not with the Knicks.. name one player the Cavs want from the Knicks. There are NONE.

Edit: I guarentee you if Isiah had the chance, he'd let LBJ walk for free.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-07-2006 2:12 PM]
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7/7/2006  2:15 PM
Frye, Nate, Lee, Collins, Balkman, Curry, Crawford, Picks, Money. THey would be stupid to let him walk for free, reguardless of what you think would happen.

Edit: and the toothfairy is Real.


[Edited by - Anji on 07-07-2006 2:16 PM]
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7/7/2006  2:16 PM
Posted by Anji:

No I hate that people blame Isiah(well I know the media hates him) like if we bring in Jerry west things are going to change. The next guy that comes in is going to have to put a team out that can make the playoffs every season. So why blame Isiah like he wouldn't have tanked from year one if he could. I don't remember too many winning years in TOR??? I don't remember Isiah not wanting to take a chance on Highschoolers with big upside and letting sit on the bench. IT's the knicks Franchise that wants this moves. That is the trap I don't know why fans fall into ever time something like this is posted.

anji, you like isiah. you like the players on the team. that's fine and dandy but ultimately, it's all about wins/losses. you say lb was the reason we blew last year? fine. but it's the gm that hired him, so it's under his watch. so far, isiah's record as the knicks gm is atrocious, while amassing a mind boggling payroll. isiah has been an utter failure and this is his last shot.
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7/7/2006  2:17 PM
Posted by Anji:

Nobody would let LBJ walk for free. The nets didn't even let Kmart walk. They would sign and trade.

Really its up to the player and their willingness to take less money.

Steve Nash...ever heard of him? Ben Wallace...
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Bill Simmions at it again........Isiah may have put Lebron in Chicago

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