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7/1/2006  11:33 PM
I haven't seen anyone suggest this, but might LB have sold Isiah on this kid? And possibly even given him misinformation about Phoenix being interested?

I know they didn't talk much at all- just wondering if anyone else thinks this might be a plausible take and a kind of last laugh for LB...
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7/1/2006  11:36 PM
This idea has been batted around a little. Didn't LB run some draft workouts? Didn't Thomas get LB's notes? OTOH, given his rep, Thomas has studied these guys so probably he should get the credit (or the blame) for all his picks.
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7/2/2006  12:32 AM
larry lame did absolutely nothing for new york, yet his claim is always leaving a club in better shape than started.....liar.

you think larry do something to earn his 10 mil: if this is true this may be one of the few times zeke and larry were in agreement by selecting balkman. no conspiracy here, its payback time

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7/2/2006  11:24 AM
Posted by Bobby:

larry lame did absolutely nothing for new york, yet his claim is always leaving a club in better shape than started.....liar.

you think larry do something to earn his 10 mil: if this is true this may be one of the few times zeke and larry were in agreement by selecting balkman. no conspiracy here, its payback time

To put it in context, before this he left about 10 clubs in better position then he started...
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bobby:

larry lame did absolutely nothing for new york, yet his claim is always leaving a club in better shape than started.....liar.

you think larry do something to earn his 10 mil: if this is true this may be one of the few times zeke and larry were in agreement by selecting balkman. no conspiracy here, its payback time

To put it in context, before this he left about 10 clubs in better position then he started...

joe, as far as im concerned the 10 clubs he left in better position is nice resume material for his next payday.

none of those teams was his dream come true compared to returning to new york and closing the final chapter of a brilliant coaching career. what was suppose to be his finest moment is now his worst nightmare and a very sad event in knicks history.

getting back to balkman, im not going cynical saying larry stiffed us with this conspiracy theory either. regardless its still zeke's call not larry's



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7/2/2006  7:59 PM
no way...isiah is the one who scouts not larry...larry might run the practice but isiah and brendan suhr sit in the stands...oh by the way i read somewhere that brendan suhr was at the NIT'S, orlando and the pre draft work outs...so larry had no say in who isiah picked.
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7/2/2006  8:37 PM
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bobby:

larry lame did absolutely nothing for new york, yet his claim is always leaving a club in better shape than started.....liar.

you think larry do something to earn his 10 mil: if this is true this may be one of the few times zeke and larry were in agreement by selecting balkman. no conspiracy here, its payback time

To put it in context, before this he left about 10 clubs in better position then he started...

joe, as far as im concerned the 10 clubs he left in better position is nice resume material for his next payday.

none of those teams was his dream come true compared to returning to new york and closing the final chapter of a brilliant coaching career. what was suppose to be his finest moment is now his worst nightmare and a very sad event in knicks history.

getting back to balkman, im not going cynical saying larry stiffed us with this conspiracy theory either. regardless its still zeke's call not larry's



But how can you judge him on one year by saying what you said? Absolute worst thing you can say about Larry, IMO, is that due to his inability to keep his mouth shut he can not coach in a big market. Seemed like with your comment you are dismissing his whole resume.
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7/2/2006  8:49 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Seemed like with your comment you are dismissing his whole resume.
Dunno if I missed something about this on another thread but, from your comment it seems like you are dismissing his 1 year in New York on account of what good he did for the 10 other teams.
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7/2/2006  8:55 PM
Yeah I would do the same, I think 10 teams vs. 1 team is a good argument for Brown. I guess if you feel that him failing here is just him failing, and not due to our situation being worse than in the other 10 cases, you can say Brown sucks.
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7/2/2006  8:59 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

Seemed like with your comment you are dismissing his whole resume.
Dunno if I missed something about this on another thread but, from your comment it seems like you are dismissing his 1 year in New York on account of what good he did for the 10 other teams.

Nope. I already said he did a crappy job. I already said that he could have done better. Bro, why is it anytime someone come with one iota of a defense for anything LB does, it's all of a sudden turned around and exaggerated?

Bro, you know we can go back and forth with this chicken or egg argument fo the better part of a decade. The bottom line is Larry there as alot of stuff Larry could have done different here, but it is very unlikely that he will have a repeat performance if/when he chooses to return.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 07-02-2006 9:12 PM]
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7/2/2006  9:07 PM
It would be interesting to find out Larry's true assessment of B-man.
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7/2/2006  9:16 PM
IT really has a talent for covering his @ss. If the dude is a good player, its his pick. If not, lets blame LB for giving him bad draft notes. If I will ever find myself in position of power, I'm going to study IT cover your @ss tricks with great care lol.
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7/2/2006  9:20 PM
Posted by simrud:

IT really has a talent for covering his @ss. If the dude is a good player, its his pick. If not, lets blame LB for giving him bad draft notes. If I will ever find myself in position of power, I'm going to study IT cover your @ss tricks with great care lol.

Here is an interesting question. If Isiah thought Larry was throwing the season, and he thought that Larry was doing stuff behind his back, and Larry didn't want to coach him......Why the HELL would he go by the notes Larry knew he was going to give Isiah?!?

Would that not make him the absolute dumbest man on the face of this planet in history?
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7/2/2006  9:28 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Bro, why is it anytime someone come with one iota of a defense for anything LB does, it's all of a sudden turned around and exaggerated?
Its not exaggerated, but his bad is mentioned with his good. Its like Stephon Marbury and its exactly what will happen to Isiah if he fails as a coach.
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7/2/2006  9:32 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

Bro, why is it anytime someone come with one iota of a defense for anything LB does, it's all of a sudden turned around and exaggerated?
Its not exaggerated, but his bad is mentioned with his good. Its like Stephon Marbury and its exactly what will happen to Isiah if he fails as a coach.

I have not mentioned his bad without his good. Actually I did what you are suggesting. Rich mentioned the bad and said that his past has no value but to get him another payday. I did not think that was the case, so I mentioned that he more than likely won't have a repeat performance if/when he coaches again.

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7/2/2006  11:27 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by simrud:

IT really has a talent for covering his @ss. If the dude is a good player, its his pick. If not, lets blame LB for giving him bad draft notes. If I will ever find myself in position of power, I'm going to study IT cover your @ss tricks with great care lol.

Here is an interesting question. If Isiah thought Larry was throwing the season, and he thought that Larry was doing stuff behind his back, and Larry didn't want to coach him......Why the HELL would he go by the notes Larry knew he was going to give Isiah?!?

Would that not make him the absolute dumbest man on the face of this planet in history?



I don't know. I'm just trying to find a semi-logical explanation for why Isiah did what he did with the draft, and then came out and said- oh, the suns were going to pick him- and the suns have basically come out and denied it- a denial that can be read two ways- truthful or smoke...
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7/2/2006  11:38 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by simrud:

IT really has a talent for covering his @ss. If the dude is a good player, its his pick. If not, lets blame LB for giving him bad draft notes. If I will ever find myself in position of power, I'm going to study IT cover your @ss tricks with great care lol.

Here is an interesting question. If Isiah thought Larry was throwing the season, and he thought that Larry was doing stuff behind his back, and Larry didn't want to coach him......Why the HELL would he go by the notes Larry knew he was going to give Isiah?!?

Would that not make him the absolute dumbest man on the face of this planet in history?



I don't know. I'm just trying to find a semi-logical explanation for why Isiah did what he did with the draft, and then came out and said- oh, the suns were going to pick him- and the suns have basically come out and denied it- a denial that can be read two ways- truthful or smoke...

Here's the thing about the Suns pick and their denial...They have absolutely, positively nothing to lose by saying if he was there they would've taken him (is it tampering if the guy isn't under contract)-they traded the pick. They didn't have to worry about hurting the a rooks feelings....On the flipside-When Zeke said that, does he know that is a lose-lose situation? They say no, we see it like some of us see it now....If it is a tampering thing, the Suns can't say yes even if they were going to pick him.

I don't know bro...alot of variables, and the whole thing is, this shouldn't even be a question that has to be answered because there is no way Zeke should have said anything along the lines he said.
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7/3/2006  12:06 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by simrud:

IT really has a talent for covering his @ss. If the dude is a good player, its his pick. If not, lets blame LB for giving him bad draft notes. If I will ever find myself in position of power, I'm going to study IT cover your @ss tricks with great care lol.

Here is an interesting question. If Isiah thought Larry was throwing the season, and he thought that Larry was doing stuff behind his back, and Larry didn't want to coach him......Why the HELL would he go by the notes Larry knew he was going to give Isiah?!?

Would that not make him the absolute dumbest man on the face of this planet in history?



I don't know. I'm just trying to find a semi-logical explanation for why Isiah did what he did with the draft, and then came out and said- oh, the suns were going to pick him- and the suns have basically come out and denied it- a denial that can be read two ways- truthful or smoke...

Here's the thing about the Suns pick and their denial...They have absolutely, positively nothing to lose by saying if he was there they would've taken him (is it tampering if the guy isn't under contract)-they traded the pick. They didn't have to worry about hurting the a rooks feelings....On the flipside-When Zeke said that, does he know that is a lose-lose situation? They say no, we see it like some of us see it now....If it is a tampering thing, the Suns can't say yes even if they were going to pick him.

I don't know bro...alot of variables, and the whole thing is, this shouldn't even be a question that has to be answered because there is no way Zeke should have said anything along the lines he said.


If the suns were going to pick him, I could see a slight arguement to be made for denial because you don't want other organizations zeroing in on what you are doing- and to say yes, would be to say - zeke knew what we were going to do.

If Isiah thinks the suns were going to pick him- either they were, or someone snookered him (LB?, an agent?)

If he is using as a cover, then he has some plausibility.

Someone mentioned that both Balkman & Mardy Collins are represented by the same agent as Lebron- that was the other conspiracy angle...
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7/3/2006  10:51 AM
Ideally, I wish Isiah would have waited to draft Balkman at 29, but I also admire that his conviction about him was so strong that he was willing to take all the criticism that he knew would be coming, especially at a time when his butt is half way out the door.
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7/3/2006  6:58 PM
But how can you judge him on one year by saying what you said?

answer: the same way he came to new york, did not want to be the peacemaker when the going got tough, put himself on some kind of hollywood square while letting the whole bball world know his shyte dont stink but this club does. yep, imo he did that in one year

if this was phil jackson or pat riley they get the same treatment......except those great coaches would've never handed their fans a *tanked season

* tanked season: greeny's opinion on larry brown, espn, mike & mike in the morning
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