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VDesai
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7/1/2006  11:35 AM
This would be an enomrous mistake.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/free_agent_harrington_may_not_fit_with_knicks_knicks_marc_berman.htm

Thomas has two of his own free agents to re-sign, center Jackie Butler and Qyntel Woods, a Brown pickup. Thomas wants to re-sign them cheaply and gave no assurances.

Butler is a bigger priority; Thomas saved him from the CBA two years ago. The Knicks would have to use one of their exceptions to re-sign Woods. The Knicks already have 16 guaranteed contracts, one over the limit.

Butler's agent, Keith Glass, son of Brown's agent, said he thinks Butler will get a bigger deal elsewhere that Thomas won't match.

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7/1/2006  11:39 AM
just buyout jalen rose!!!!! he gives time to woods,b-man and lee!!!!

den buyout jj!!!butler is a much better back-up
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7/1/2006  11:40 AM
It has come down to a game of numbers, if the Adeleke signing is true, he is possibly a better prospect than Butler....SO is Killingsworth, IMO because they are low post threats that Butler really doesn't seem to be. All three are Bulldog defenders. Killingsworth is a little horter than the other two, IMO at 6-7 or 6-8. Butler is a legit 6-8 or 6-9, same as Adeleke.

BT-his last season in college Adeleke averaged 21 and 14.
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7/1/2006  11:47 AM
I don't see it being that much of a problem really... Butler was an undrafted talent, no doubt. But he certainly is replaceable.. especially w/ Adeleke. Moreover, some team might offer him the full mle.. if thats the case do we match.. NO.. thats our only chance at getting a REAL asset to the team. Our ticket to plugging up some of the holes that we truly need. I wouldn't let Glass and the LB Fam sucker me into overpaying this guy. Potential or Not!
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7/1/2006  11:50 AM
Undrafted or not, Butler has been a very effective player in the minutes he's gotten and is quite advanced for a 20 year old prospect. Good rebounding, good hands and a better touch then you'd expect from a big guy. I wouldn't want to give up on hardworking, young 6'10" guy with a good basketball IQ. He deserves a contract similar to the one Pachulia got last year...about 4 yr/ 16 mil.
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7/1/2006  11:53 AM
We need to keep Butler.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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7/1/2006  11:53 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Undrafted or not, Butler has been a very effective player in the minutes he's gotten and is quite advanced for a 20 year old prospect. Good rebounding, good hands and a better touch then you'd expect from a big guy. I wouldn't want to give up on hardworking, young 6'10" guy with a good basketball IQ. He deserves a contract similar to the one Pachulia got last year...about 4 yr/ 16 mil.

Thing is Butler and Kenny are almost lones except Adeleke has a more reformed game and he seems to be easier to keep in shape than Buter...Butler is a thick strong kid but he seems to had a problem staying in game shape, IMO.
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7/1/2006  11:54 AM
thats y buyout jj and taylor and rose they are soft players that just care about is money!!!!!!plus knowing isiah he might be tempted to pull the trigger on trade deadline!!and be stuck with a player who dosent fit this team
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7/1/2006  11:57 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Undrafted or not, Butler has been a very effective player in the minutes he's gotten and is quite advanced for a 20 year old prospect. Good rebounding, good hands and a better touch then you'd expect from a big guy. I wouldn't want to give up on hardworking, young 6'10" guy with a good basketball IQ. He deserves a contract similar to the one Pachulia got last year...about 4 yr/ 16 mil.

I agree Jackie Butler is pretty much every bit of the player that you describe.. But I'm also of the belief that he is not the caliber of player that you break the bank for either. Especially on our team... Curry/James/Frye/Lee/Taylor/M.Rose? Aight maybe factor out Mo and Malik, he still becomes the 3rd Power Forward/Center option off our bench. That's not a major value to this team in terms on need position. (IMO) If Adeleke sticks.. he might have more upside than Butler.. Its a risk, but in the end a risk worth taking.

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7/1/2006  11:59 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by VDesai:

Undrafted or not, Butler has been a very effective player in the minutes he's gotten and is quite advanced for a 20 year old prospect. Good rebounding, good hands and a better touch then you'd expect from a big guy. I wouldn't want to give up on hardworking, young 6'10" guy with a good basketball IQ. He deserves a contract similar to the one Pachulia got last year...about 4 yr/ 16 mil.

Thing is Butler and Kenny are almost lones except Adeleke has a more reformed game and he seems to be easier to keep in shape than Buter...Butler is a thick strong kid but he seems to had a problem staying in game shape, IMO.

Well I can't say I've ever seen Adeleke play. I do know that Butler's 2 years younger and has already proven himself on the NBA level. He also would've been playing in the major conference SEC and not the America East if he had gone to college.
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7/1/2006  12:02 PM
Please OH PLEASE keep Jackie Butler
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7/1/2006  12:05 PM
Butler needs to be a priority.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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7/1/2006  12:06 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by VDesai:

Undrafted or not, Butler has been a very effective player in the minutes he's gotten and is quite advanced for a 20 year old prospect. Good rebounding, good hands and a better touch then you'd expect from a big guy. I wouldn't want to give up on hardworking, young 6'10" guy with a good basketball IQ. He deserves a contract similar to the one Pachulia got last year...about 4 yr/ 16 mil.

Thing is Butler and Kenny are almost lones except Adeleke has a more reformed game and he seems to be easier to keep in shape than Buter...Butler is a thick strong kid but he seems to had a problem staying in game shape, IMO.

Well I can't say I've ever seen Adeleke play. I do know that Butler's 2 years younger and has already proven himself on the NBA level. He also would've been playing in the major conference SEC and not the America East if he had gone to college.

Hey Hey Hey... don't hate on the American East Conference .lol
I see u'r point.. but like I said Butler is expendible.. especially if they drive up his market value. Too rich for my blood.. I'd rather spend my free agent dollars on a guy like Jumaine Jones A legit SF.. Serviceable, athletic and can actually hit from the perimeter and could come here for a chunk of the MLE, Plays above avg D. Most of all he's a player capable of starting here in NY and can contribute... Did I also mention Small forward is a need for us. Charlotte won't go crazy trying to retain him.. since drafting Morrison and already having Wallace on board. Just a Thought!
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7/1/2006  12:06 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:

Butler needs to be a priority.


He'd be the ONLY priority I have in FA this offseason.
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7/1/2006  12:08 PM
Posted by JayNYC:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by VDesai:

Undrafted or not, Butler has been a very effective player in the minutes he's gotten and is quite advanced for a 20 year old prospect. Good rebounding, good hands and a better touch then you'd expect from a big guy. I wouldn't want to give up on hardworking, young 6'10" guy with a good basketball IQ. He deserves a contract similar to the one Pachulia got last year...about 4 yr/ 16 mil.

Thing is Butler and Kenny are almost lones except Adeleke has a more reformed game and he seems to be easier to keep in shape than Buter...Butler is a thick strong kid but he seems to had a problem staying in game shape, IMO.

Well I can't say I've ever seen Adeleke play. I do know that Butler's 2 years younger and has already proven himself on the NBA level. He also would've been playing in the major conference SEC and not the America East if he had gone to college.

Hey Hey Hey... don't hate on the American East Conference .lol
I see u'r point.. but like I said Butler is expendible.. especially if they drive up his market value. Too rich for my blood.. I'd rather spend my free agent dollars on a guy like Jumaine Jones A legit SF.. Serviceable, athletic and can actually hit from the perimeter and could come here for a chunk of the MLE, Plays above avg D. Most of all he's a player capable of starting here in NY and can contribute... Did I also mention Small forward is a need for us. Charlotte won't go crazy trying to retain him.. since drafting Morrison and already having Wallace on board. Just a Thought!

Jumaine Joneses are a dime a dozen in the NBA (see the fact that we picked up Qyntel Woods and DerMarr Johnson midseason). 6'10" 20-21 year olds who have already proven their ability to be effective in the NBA, with budding post games, good work ethic and advanced overall skill level are not. IMO he's absolutely not expendible.
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7/1/2006  12:18 PM
I thought qyntel woods was also are priority he saved us some wins
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7/1/2006  12:26 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by PhilinLA:

Butler needs to be a priority.


He'd be the ONLY priority I have in FA this offseason.
I think he's a core part of our rotation in the coming seasons.

http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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7/1/2006  12:38 PM
I think keeping butler is a priority, he showed me a lot last year, and two things that stand out are his great hands and basketball IQ, plue he doesn't back down from anyone.. I like this kid..
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7/1/2006  12:41 PM
Jumaine Joneses are a dime a dozen in the NBA (see the fact that we picked up Qyntel Woods and DerMarr Johnson midseason). 6'10" 20-21 year olds who have already proven their ability to be effective in the NBA, with budding post games, good work ethic and advanced overall skill level are not. IMO he's absolutely not expendible.

Ummm.. Jumaine Jones is a more complete player than either Woods or Johnson.(Poor Example) Now if you are alluding to the position itself.. yeah sure you can find a serviceable wing player faster than you can a big. And I can even go as far to site the old adage of never sacrificing big for small. That being said, When your team is loaded with powerforwards/centers.. that are pretty much the same player types.. Can score, but play no D, and are not outstanding rebounders.. WHY, would signing that type of player... a player type that remains a DEEP mold on your squad be priority? Its not!!! So what he is young... and could pan out to be a decent pro.. we have to many UPSIDE players and POTENTIAL calibers on this flawed NYK roster. To me it makes the most sense to go after, if any POWER FORWARD a rugged, grind it out, defensive minded, rebounder as opposed to OVERPAYING for a guy that is no more useful on our team than he'd be if he were elsewhere. We have to get players in here that can contribute and compliment our current core makeup... That should be our #1 focus this offseason (IMO). Thats why I wasn't mad at Isiah for making those picks.. they are the types of players we should be looking at. Maybe Jumaine Jones isn't exactly what we need.. but he would make a heck of alot more sense given our team makeup, and analyzing needs. If a Power Forward is what you crave.. than Reggie Evans is a guy i'd look into as well.

These posts are all opinion.. so for now I'll just propose that "We agree to disagree" Hopefully this NYK mess becomes a lil better, and we all end up as happy fans!





[Edited by - JayNYC on 07-01-2006 12:46 PM]
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7/1/2006  12:47 PM
I'd like to keep butler too but if the knicks have to spend more than half the mid-level exemption on butler I guess we have to say bye bye and wish him well. Same with woods. If the knicks can't get woods cheap then I suppose the knicks would move on too.

Butler is not gonna surpass curry or Frye. So why pay him 16mil/ zaza money? Cut cap or add cap which is it?

Isiah aleady found a butler replacement. I wish James well!, lol.
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