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misterearl
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6/29/2006  2:58 PM
Other than some amateur opinion on where he should have been selected, what REALLY is the problem with Balkman?

As Collins is as solid fundamentally as they come, what is the problem in pairing him on the floor with another gifted and cerebral player like Channing Frye?

Both from solid, winning programs with celebrated coaches

Both solid citizens.

Balkman is a defensive terror. Cool.


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6/29/2006  3:00 PM
nobody is upset we have balkman. nobody is upset we drafted a defender. nobody is upset he's on the team.

BUT considering what we had available to us, mainly marcus williams, some felt that it was the wrong pick.

otherwise, he will be a good player for us. i don't know how good but going on isiah's draft resume, he'll contribute.

and i don't think anybody had a problem with the collins pick.
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6/29/2006  3:04 PM
I am fine with the draft, this does not make me want to fire Isiah anymore than I already do.
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6/29/2006  3:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Other than some amateur opinion on where he should have been selected?

why is it amateur opinion? CHI did it with POR to get extra value with 2/4, CHI and PHI did it too with 13/16. It's abount not getting the FULLEST value for every possible move you can, which Isiah consistantly does not do (Curry lottery protection, second round pick inclusions). Knicks could have gotten a second rounder or $$ for this one.

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6/29/2006  3:06 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

Other than some amateur opinion on where he should have been selected?

why is it amateur opinion? CHI did it with POR to get extra value with 2/4, CHI and PHI did it too with 13/16. It's abount not getting the FULLEST value for every possible move you can, which Isiah consistantly does not do (Curry lottery protection, second round pick inclusions). Knicks could have gotten a second rounder or $$ for this one.

Thankyou Martin, I've said this about 10000 times since last night.

Balkman might be a good defender but no one was going to pick this guy in the first round which means the value of the 20th pick was not fully used, plain and simple.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-29-2006 3:07 PM]
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6/29/2006  3:17 PM
Well said Martin.
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6/29/2006  3:18 PM
If he is so athletic than why is he averaging just 6rbs a game, so a rodman/artest comparision is not warranted here, and he is a fringe talent, and not a tradeable asset like the other pgs would have been
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6/29/2006  3:25 PM
What is a Rodman/Artest comparison anyway, has anyone ever been a Rodman/Artest combination?
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6/29/2006  3:27 PM
Posted by MS:

If he is so athletic than why is he averaging just 6rbs a game, so a rodman/artest comparision is not warranted here, and he is a fringe talent, and not a tradeable asset like the other pgs would have been

You're off to a good beginning of an argument. To make it complete, give us the college rebounding #s of Rodman and Artest.
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6/29/2006  3:41 PM
Nobody is questioning whether its a good idea to get players who actually play defense since the current team is devoid of those types but you don't do it at the expense of getting better players at that spot, especially when you could have traded down to get him or taken him with the 29th pick. Or you could have bought the Suns pick.

There were better options and they still could have gotten Balkman if Isiah really had that much of a hard on for him.

Please stop with the Rodman and Artest comparisons.
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6/29/2006  3:48 PM
>>There were better options and they still could have gotten Balkman if Isiah really had that much of a hard on for him.

Hard on?

Why must it ALWAYS be some disparaging or insulting comment islesfan?

I'd rather see Balkman actually play BEFORE rushing to judgement.

The pure speculation of where he should have gone is moot.
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6/29/2006  3:48 PM
and please identify who were the better defenders available?
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6/29/2006  3:50 PM
Posted by misterearl:

and please identify who were the better defenders available?

better OPTIONS not better defenders available.
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6/29/2006  3:51 PM
Posted by misterearl:



The pure speculation of where he should have gone is moot.

It's only moot to you because it was a major reach. If it had been a steal, like getting Marcus Williams at that spot, then where he went would have certainly been germane to the discussion. Right?
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6/29/2006  3:54 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

and please identify who were the better defenders available?

better OPTIONS not better defenders available.



Martin, even if Williams is the best player available, which I believe is highly debateable, haven't so many pointed out that Isiah should not amass so much talent, but instead players who fit? And the minute he does that, he's decried.

No, instead we should take a redundant player, with a poorer personal history than anyone on this team with the possible exception of Q2.

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6/29/2006  3:57 PM
Originally posted by misterearl:

>>There were better options and they still could have gotten Balkman if Isiah really had that much of a hard on for him.
Hard on?
Why must it ALWAYS be some disparaging or insulting comment islesfan?
I'd rather see Balkman actually play BEFORE rushing to judgement.
The pure speculation of where he should have gone is moot.

It's only considered moot because it goes against your blind Isiah support to admit otherwise.

The judgment is the OBVIOUS fact that no other team would've taken him anywhere near that high. He impressed Isiah.. that's not hard to do. Just get labeled "athletic" and you're a shoe-in to be drafted by Isiah. That's his only criteria.
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6/29/2006  3:58 PM
better OPTIONS not better defenders available.

The Knicks needed DEFENDERS. That is the topic of thios thread.

Please cite who were the better defenders available?

Why is that so difficult to adhere to?
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6/29/2006  4:02 PM
Posted by misterearl:

better OPTIONS not better defenders available.

The Knicks needed DEFENDERS. That is the topic of thios thread.

Please cite who were the better defenders available?

Why is that so difficult to adhere to?

why so difficult? cause you don't understand the point. Why Did Chicago just not select Tyrus with #2?

Not arguing that there were better defender available.
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6/29/2006  4:04 PM
Hassan Adams better on ball defender way better athlete way better offensive player better passer way better physical build just as good rebounder just plain better player with more talent both ways no question about it

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Posted by BRIGGS:

Hassan Adams better on ball defender way better athlete way better offensive player better passer way better physical build just as good rebounder just plain better player with more talent both ways no question about it

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Says you and when was the last time YOU drafted a player like TMac? Come on. I trust Isiah's eye for talent over anyone in here. Just think this guy isn't a scorer, yet he was MVP of the NIT and viewed as the MVP of the Orlando predraft camp. SO this means he busts his butt and is hungry. I want a player like that who doesn't care about scoring, but doing all the little things a team needs to help it win.

Isiah explained why he did the pick early and he still got Mardy Collins who he also targeted. These picks show that he's not some guy who just looks for talent and upside. That makes TWO DRAFTS in a row where he's used sound judgement on NBA ready players who fill team needs. Now we're even closer to having a complete team. If he can get a solid Starting SF and a shotblocker/rebounder we'll have a complete squad that makes sense at every position. Face it despite all the rhetoric to the contrary Isiah is building a nice team. We're gonna surprise people over the next 2 years. You'll see.
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