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Drafting is the one area Isiah HAS earned benefit of doubt
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Bonn1997
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6/29/2006  12:44 PM
If he did something shocking in any other type of transaction (trades, FA signings), I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt. Given his draft history though and given that these two players do have some good strengths and fit team needs, I think it makes sense to patiently wait and see how they develop.
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6/29/2006  12:52 PM
This guy might turn out to be good but even if he does, Isiah has no clue what it means to draft with value. The most value out of this pick would have been Marcus Williams and then taking Balkman at 29. This way you can either keep Williams or trade package him during the year with one our many horrible contracts. Thats my problem with all this.
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6/29/2006  12:53 PM
you would think lb has EARNED at least one more year to coach as well.

but using one's history for current moves don't seem to fly with alot of people here.
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6/29/2006  12:54 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

you would think lb has EARNED at least one more year to coach as well.

but using one's history for current moves don't seem to fly with alot of people here.

Very true DJ. When people say that Isiah has earned the benefit of the doubt with the draft, I didn't hear these same people saying that for Brown.
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6/29/2006  12:56 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

you would think lb has EARNED at least one more year to coach as well.

but using one's history for current moves don't seem to fly with alot of people here.

Very true DJ. When people say that Isiah has earned the benefit of the doubt with the draft, I didn't hear these same people saying that for Brown.


great point.

how about this:

Isiah tanked the draft in a move top save his own butt.

LB detractors feast away
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6/29/2006  1:00 PM
Isiah's draft history has its blurps

96 he takes Camby at 2

Ray Allen at 5

Kobe Bryant at 13

Steve Nash at 15

Jermaine O' Neal at 17

Ilgaukas at 20
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6/29/2006  1:02 PM
yeah, he passed on the best point guard in the league at #4 in that draft too.

[Edited by - nyballer on 06-29-2006 1:02 PM]
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6/29/2006  1:03 PM
Isiah is a good draft guy but I have noticed something about his picks...his absolute best picks were lottery picks at the begining of the draft. Mo Pete is probably the only guy that he drafted in the late rounds that was great (he did draft Mo Pete, right?)
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6/29/2006  1:07 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

If he did something shocking in any other type of transaction (trades, FA signings), I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt. Given his draft history though and given that these two players do have some good strengths and fit team needs, I think it makes sense to patiently wait and see how they develop.

The Three snit mongers on ESPN last nite were speachless about the picks and said that becasue its Isiah and he got some draft cred they would give him a pass.

So basically your saying the same thing.

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Posted by joec32033:

Isiah is a good draft guy but I have noticed something about his picks...his absolute best picks were lottery picks at the begining of the draft. Mo Pete is probably the only guy that he drafted in the late rounds that was great (he did draft Mo Pete, right?)

no he didn't draft Peterson.
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Posted by nyballer:

yeah, he passed on the best point guard in the league at #4 in that draft too.

[Edited by - nyballer on 06-29-2006 1:02 PM]

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Posted by McK1:
Posted by joec32033:

Isiah is a good draft guy but I have noticed something about his picks...his absolute best picks were lottery picks at the begining of the draft. Mo Pete is probably the only guy that he drafted in the late rounds that was great (he did draft Mo Pete, right?)

no he didn't draft Peterson.


So the only late guy he picked was Ariza?
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6/29/2006  1:13 PM
Nate

Lee is a nice player but we should've took Gomes. he is everything Balkman is defensively and intangible wise plus he can put the ball in the hole.
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6/29/2006  1:26 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

you would think lb has EARNED at least one more year to coach as well.

but using one's history for current moves don't seem to fly with alot of people here.

Sure but you can also LOSE that right after a year of senility. Isiah's done nothing to lose confidence in his DRAFTING ability
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6/29/2006  1:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

you would think lb has EARNED at least one more year to coach as well.

but using one's history for current moves don't seem to fly with alot of people here.

Sure but you can also LOSE that right after a year of senility. Isiah's done nothing to lose confidence in his DRAFTING ability

He has now.
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6/29/2006  1:27 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If he did something shocking in any other type of transaction (trades, FA signings), I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt. Given his draft history though and given that these two players do have some good strengths and fit team needs, I think it makes sense to patiently wait and see how they develop.

The Three snit mongers on ESPN last nite were speachless about the picks and said that becasue its Isiah and he got some draft cred they would give him a pass.

So basically your saying the same thing.

I didn't hear them say that. But I guess they're very smart too!
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6/29/2006  1:28 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Isiah is a good draft guy but I have noticed something about his picks...his absolute best picks were lottery picks at the begining of the draft. Mo Pete is probably the only guy that he drafted in the late rounds that was great (he did draft Mo Pete, right?)

Lee, Ariza, and Nate are at least decent picks.

I never said his draft history was flawless; I said it was good.

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6/29/2006  1:29 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

you would think lb has EARNED at least one more year to coach as well.

but using one's history for current moves don't seem to fly with alot of people here.

Sure but you can also LOSE that right after a year of senility. Isiah's done nothing to lose confidence in his DRAFTING ability

He has now.

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6/29/2006  1:32 PM
He knew he was going to get killed for this pick, yet he took him anyway. He may be arrogant, but he's not stupid.
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6/29/2006  1:32 PM
Posted by Rich:

He knew he was going to get killed for this pick, yet he took him anyway. He may be arrogant, but he's not stupid.

I'll respectfully disagree on the stupid part. No lottery protection and not drafting players at value spots to me is stupid.
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