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Do you want Isiah to fail or succeed as Knicks' head coach next season?
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TMS
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6/26/2006  6:50 PM
all the Isiah doubters have wanted him out for the longest time... what better way than to have him coach this team next season & either put up or shut up now that Dolan's given him this ultimatum? it seems if Isiah fails & is fired, some of you will still be complaining about the 1st rounder next season going to CHI... so what would you rather have happen?

A - Isiah fails & is fired after a horrible season as Knicks' head coach while CHI ends up w/another top lottery pick from NY

B - Isiah "suceeds" (gets this team into the playoffs) & Dolan feels vindicated for his decision to go w/Isiah, leading to the extension of his contract
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6/26/2006  6:59 PM
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succeed, I have the NBA package and it's better when the Knicks are competitive.

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i dont like the position it puts the team in. Its not a win now team and now the pressure is there to win now. So they may take those picks and use them to secure more veteran talent[maybe signing someone to a long huge contract] and if it doesnt fit noty only are we scred this year but for YEARS to come. Make the draft picks for now and the future and win with what we have here.
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6/26/2006  6:59 PM
Totally agree with Briggs. Good call man.
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6/26/2006  7:26 PM
Agree with BRIGGS. I think it would have been better for Dolan to keep his mouth shut this time and keep the whole "I'll fire you if you don't show significant improvement" to himself. It only forces Isiah to do what he has to do to keep his job. He has no incentive to do whats best for the Knicks as an organization but instead has the incentive to save his ass.
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6/26/2006  7:38 PM
what do you expect Dolan to say at this point though? everyone knows Isiah's ass is on the line regardless... are you guys seriously willing to wait another 3 or 4 years to give Isiah more time to make moves to build this team after the past several years he's been making moves w/no positive results? for Dolan, he had to either make this ultimatum or just fire Isiah & go in another direction... of course, i would have preferred he fired Isiah & hired a guy like Jerry Colangelo to run the ship, but Dolan's got a huge amount of dollars invested into this team now & for an owner, i think this was the only realistic decision to be made.

[Edited by - TMS on 06-26-2006 7:50 PM]
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6/26/2006  7:49 PM
As a fan I'll certainly be hoping Isiah is successful next season, and that we'll see some decent, entertaining basketball.

But to me, it really isn't about Isiah. It's about this franchise getting back on its feet & developing a plan and direction. If Isiah is a part of that, then great.

I wish Dolan didn't own the team. I think it is distracting him from his music. He needs to devote more time to his band.


[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 06-26-2006 19:52]
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6/26/2006  7:51 PM
I'm not surprised about what Dolan said, however, I do think it would be better if he just kept that to himself and if Isiah doesn't get the job done (team doesn't show progress) you fire him next season.

Everyone knows Dolan is an idiot, nothing he says at this point convinces people otherwise. He should have just kept this decision to himself. If Isiah does a good coaching job and the team shows a lot of improvement, ok, then keep him. But if this team doesn't win 30 games next season, you can him. Why let him know he only has one year? That basically forces him to put a team together that wins now (which we just aren't in a position to do right now).

It forces Isiah to avoid doing what is best for the franchise. If I was Dolan, I would basically give Isiah support privately and tell him he will be ok. But I would know to myself that if the team showed no improvement whatsoever and there is no visible plan (by all-star break or even before), then he would be gone. At least Isiah wouldn't be forced to make win-now trades which he is horrible at.
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6/26/2006  7:58 PM
I don't think Dolan wants to fire Isiah. I think he's probably been reading some management books and is trying to "motivate" Isiah, and probably Marbury as well.

So isiah does a trade, and adds a few hundred million to the payroll. So what? It's Dolan's money, and the Knicks will be that much nearer to being the first NBA team with a $1,000,000,000 payroll.


[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 06-26-2006 19:58]
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6/26/2006  8:06 PM
I don't care about Dolan spending his money but when it kills us in the long-term, I start caring :)

either way, the whole idea of a desperate Isiah scares me a lot as a fan
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6/26/2006  8:09 PM
Posted by s3231:

That basically forces him to put a team together that wins now (which we just aren't in a position to do right now)

i think that's been Isiah's mandate ever since he got here anyway... i don't ever believe for a second that Dolan was interested in building the team from the ground up... he wanted to get back into the playoffs asap... that's always been his 1st & foremost goal imho... i don't think anything will ever change that as long as he's the owner of this franchise... so w/that in mind, i can't fault him for making this ultimatum... to understand the actions of an insane person, you first must understand how that insane person thinks.
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6/26/2006  8:17 PM
Definitely, the goal has been to win here. At the same time though, I think Isiah planned on developing our young guys. My fear is that he will trade them to win now if the opportunity comes up.
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6/26/2006  8:19 PM
Succeed.
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6/26/2006  9:26 PM
Anyone who wants him to fail given that the Bulls can have the Knicks' 1st round pick, isn't a fan.
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6/26/2006  11:32 PM
I want Isiah to succeed but if he's going to succeed he's going to have to magically turn this roster of career malcontents into winners and defensive-minded basketball players which just isn't going to happen.
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6/26/2006  11:40 PM
The only logical thing to do would be to put Isiah as coach and
hire somebody else as GM.
That way Isiah doesn't have free reign to do whatever he wants,
but is still forced to put up or shut up. He doesn't deserve to
have the power to bail himself out at the expense of the team.
Pat Riley is in a totally different situation. He was already
in an obvious "win now" position there. Having Isiah as both
coach and GM of a rebuilding and losing team with the pressure for
win now results is contradictory and just stupid.
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6/26/2006  11:41 PM
If he proves the team can win, he can have his GM job back.
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6/26/2006  11:43 PM
I hope that Isiah can turn this thing around.

I'm a fan, of course I hope they succeed!
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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6/26/2006  11:44 PM
I want Idiot Dolan to hire a basketball executive that actually knows what he's doing.
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6/26/2006  11:59 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I want Idiot Dolan to hire a basketball executive that actually knows what he's doing.


As do I, but he's not about to do that after all the money he's spent after having bought into Isiah's longterm "plan" to bring a championship to NY... my preference would be for Dolan to hire Colangelo to serve as team Pres. & GM, & have Isiah coach this team... then if Isiah's players are still underachieving, he can get rid of the whole lot & rebuild this thing the way it should have been from the very beginning.
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6/27/2006  8:50 AM
I want Isiah to succeed but if he's going to succeed he's going to have to magically turn this roster of career malcontents into winners and defensive-minded basketball players which just isn't going to happen.

nyk4ever - Channing Frye a career malcontent?

Check the under-26 dudes on the roster. THEY are the Knicks future.
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