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OngBok
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6/23/2006  1:37 PM
KnicksExecs: Larry’s tactics strange
BY GREG LOGAN
Newsday Staff Correspondent

June 23, 2006


GREENBURGH, N.Y. - No one on the Knicks publicly questioned Larry Brown's motives last season when he used an NBA-record 42 different starting lineups, but after they finished with a 23-59 record, some wondered if he lost sight of wins and losses because he was consumed with changing the roster Isiah Thomas put together.
Watching from a distance, two top-ranking NBA team executives admitted they were puzzled by some of Brown's moves.

"He got real wacky," one of the executives said of Brown. According to the executive, an agent for one Knicks player told him the player "thought Larry was doing things on purpose to sabotage the team sometimes. Some of the stuff he was doing didn't make any sense."

It was no secret that Brown and point guard Stephon Marbury didn't get along, dating to their differences on the 2004 U.S. Olympic team. But Marbury had plenty of company as the target for Brown's criticism. It quickly became obvious that Brown wanted to make wholesale changes, just as he did with seven other NBA teams that all improved under his direction.

"Larry did not buy into Isiah's philosophy," the first NBA executive said. "He tried to crush Isiah early on, saying, 'This is a terrible team, the players are no good.'
"Then Isiah turned around, and who knows what he said to Dolan behind closed doors. No owner likes to see his players ripped in the media. The value of a franchise is the asset of your players, and Larry killed them."

The second executive said the way Brown used rookie forwards Channing Frye and David Lee was "strange."

Although Brown always has favored veteran performers, the second executive said, "When they were winning, the young kids had a lot to do with it."

Frye was limited to an average of 24.2 minutes per game. "I think Larry was saying you can't win a lot of games if you put this kid in and he's got to guard all the best power forwards in the league," the second executive said. "That's probably true. But he would have gotten better. That's where I was surprised."

Lee started 13 straight games at midseason, including the six consecutive wins in January. Then Brown started him only once in the final 43 games.

"I was surprised because Lee seemed like exactly the kind of guy Larry would like," the second executive said. "That's what made me think there's something funny going on here."

Brown often said he wasn't worried about winning because that would take care of itself if his team concentrated on playing the right way. It doesn't mean he was wrong about the Knicks' flawed roster, but Brown never got the time or the right personnel to turn it around.

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6/23/2006  1:38 PM
Why don't you ask these same execs what they think of Isiah's job here so far.
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6/23/2006  1:41 PM
flip flop !!!! lol,......
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6/23/2006  1:44 PM
no trade proposal?
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6/23/2006  1:50 PM
Posted by fishmike:

no trade proposal?


lol
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6/23/2006  1:56 PM
yeah, let's blow off two league execs confirming what we saw with our own eyes - that the way he handled the roster and playing time for guys who were doing well was odd.

meanwhile, maybe if we dig really hard we can find more reports from 34yr old 5'11" guys who played Eddy Curry in midnight pickup games who say Eddy didn't hustle to reaffirm our belief that it's really just all Isiah's fault.

I know that's my plan for the afternoon.
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6/23/2006  2:00 PM
When did Isiah become he Mavs GM?
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6/23/2006  2:05 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why don't you ask these same execs what they think of Isiah's job here so far.
That's like someone who got a D- in a course saying, "What do you think of that student who got an F?"

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6/23/2006  2:05 PM
Good article by Logan!
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6/23/2006  2:54 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why don't you ask these same execs what they think of Isiah's job here so far.
That's like someone who got a D- in a course saying, "What do you think of that student who got an F?"

Why? Everyone is trying to make Isiah look like the victim in this whole debacle but he has been pitiful since he got here.
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6/23/2006  2:59 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why don't you ask these same execs what they think of Isiah's job here so far.
That's like someone who got a D- in a course saying, "What do you think of that student who got an F?"


Why? Everyone is trying to make Isiah look like the victim in this whole debacle but he has been pitiful since he got here.

not everyone..just a few Knick fans. Majority of basketball fans are laughing their heads off right now



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06-23-2006 3:06 PM]
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6/23/2006  3:03 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why don't you ask these same execs what they think of Isiah's job here so far.
That's like someone who got a D- in a course saying, "What do you think of that student who got an F?"

Why? Everyone is trying to make Isiah look like the victim in this whole debacle but he has been pitiful since he got here.
not everyone..just a few Knick fans.
Exactly. There's a group here who support Larry and reduce everyone else to those obsessed with Larry and nothing else about the Knicks even thought that's really only two or three posters.
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6/23/2006  3:29 PM
Its pretty obvious. The Brownites will sound like Bill O'Reilly trying to defend the Bush Administration. Larry screwed up beyond belief, and there are strong indications that he purposely sabotaged our team. That alone is enough to not like him or want him here. That there are still people supporting him, is a testament to living life without logic.
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6/23/2006  3:33 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Its pretty obvious. The Brownites will sound like Bill O'Reilly trying to defend the Bush Administration. Larry screwed up beyond belief, and there are strong indications that he purposely sabotaged our team. That alone is enough to not like him or want him here. That there are still people supporting him, is a testament to living life without logic.

Yeah, because supporting the other clowns in this pathetic organization and saying that things are fine now that LB is just so logical.
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6/23/2006  3:34 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Its pretty obvious. The Brownites will sound like Bill O'Reilly trying to defend the Bush Administration. Larry screwed up beyond belief, and there are strong indications that he purposely sabotaged our team. That alone is enough to not like him or want him here. That there are still people supporting him, is a testament to living life without logic.

I'm not supporting the man Larry Brown, I'm supporting the coach Larry Brown, the one who has turned around every franchise he's been at with his meticulous ways. He had a much better chance of turning this around then Isiah Thomas or anyone else has, thats for sure.
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6/23/2006  3:36 PM
but it's not about Brown its about what's best for the team. We have no reason to believe that things are going to get better under this regime. There was hope when Isiah first got here but since then he, mills & dolan have made one devastating mistake after under that cannot be erased. The only way out of ths is too sit back for 3-5yrs and let contracts expire but dolan will never never allow it
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6/23/2006  3:52 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Its pretty obvious. The Brownites will sound like Bill O'Reilly trying to defend the Bush Administration. Larry screwed up beyond belief, and there are strong indications that he purposely sabotaged our team. That alone is enough to not like him or want him here. That there are still people supporting him, is a testament to living life without logic.

I'm not supporting the man Larry Brown, I'm supporting the coach Larry Brown, the one who has turned around every franchise he's been at with his meticulous ways. He had a much better chance of turning this around then Isiah Thomas or anyone else has, thats for sure.


I guess you are trying to say that you are not supporting the man, but the coach which is one and the same. C'mon now bro really?? So I guess the "man" Larry Brown showed up this year and the coach didn't.
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6/23/2006  3:56 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Its pretty obvious. The Brownites will sound like Bill O'Reilly trying to defend the Bush Administration. Larry screwed up beyond belief, and there are strong indications that he purposely sabotaged our team. That alone is enough to not like him or want him here. That there are still people supporting him, is a testament to living life without logic.

some people need to be hit over the head with something before they see it...
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6/23/2006  4:16 PM
I'm over the fact that Larry has been fired because I think Larry just mailed it in knowing that he was going to get paid and there was no chance of turning the team around in the forseeable future. Problem is where do we go from here? Will Isiah continue to dig a deeper hole in order to save his job? My guess is he will
Execs even state that what LB was doing was wrong !!!

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