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rvhoss
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6/22/2006  10:19 PM
I'm just thinking it's reactionary to suggest that Zeke will now sabotage his great drafting and youthful athletic core of players and not give it a go. He only has 1 year to turn this thing around.

so rather than allow everyone to derail his vision, by doing it their way and hoping it buys him 2 more years, he finishes what he knows is the right way to build a team.

I'm thinking he truly believes in frye, curry, lee, nate and crawford and marbury.

I don't think he wanted to bring francis and rose in for anything other than "pieces of meat". The team is constructed to run with the veteran scoring point guard.

Marbury is supposed to lead a team of chucking, eventually consistent, chuckers. And have someone taking some of the point guard duties off of marbury so teams can't simply trap him, as the nets did, and he had nobody to give it up to. (frank?)

He's going to play frye because even that pick was ridiculed as short sighted. We quickly learned he was a pretty good kid in a 5 game stretch during the season. Why would Isiah turn his back on him?

One thing Isiah has shown, if anything, is extreme loyalalty to a fault. His backing of his players makes him a player's coach by definition. And he loves lee, frye, nate, crawford, curry and marbury.

If I see these players a majority of the time, next year, I will be ecstatic.

AND they win 35 42 games and I'm dancing in the streets.

This team is supposed to be a train wreck. If nobody else sees playing the youth as a benefit to us long term then you are crazy. All of those players are basically babies compared to the other players in the league AND have a tendency to play Extremly exciting and well together. (all the celtics games, in seattle, philly at home)

Maybe their minutes stay the exact same as they did this year. There is a science to coaching and Minutes played is up there with pitch counts. That may not have been the issue at all, it may have been a matter of starting them and when they start to really eff up, bring in the "dependably average veteran bench".

Let the kids rest and then come back fresh, paying attention to the coaches and coming back out and usinging their energy, athleticism and turn the game (like nate against philly).

Hey, you never know, the vets that come in could abuse the other teams second unit.

Unless that big name is a humungus shaqlike name, he's not coming here.

if he does, we will be well on our way.

But there is no way he trades anybody he drafted or Marbury.

Am I the only person that looks at the francis and Jrose deals in the same light as picking up MalikRose and MoTaylor the year before. or Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed.

Trades made necessary because of the cap, that each somehow netted us actually talented young players at the same time.

If you are over the cap, you can only acquire talent via the draft or under the guise of highly paid players. Think Tim Thomas and Davis, that trade was basically sweetney and picks for Curry.

I almost positive he will play all those kids until they prove to be garbage to the entire world, because he truly believes in them, honestly. He's been practically on the bench the entire time.

It may be fools gold, but any step in the right direction, considering how old the core of the team is (marbury is still only 28, in his PRIME) you generally expect a draft class to begin to fully mature by the 3rd year. If Frye, Lee and Nate prove to be the best trio of role players in the league, I'll take an average curry. A sweetney that can score 30 in a game at the drop of a hat.

I just don't think he's going to trade for a big name...just doesn't make any sense. I think he's going to go with the team he hand picked and go down with the ship.

He's not LB.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-22-2006 10:28 PM]
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6/22/2006  10:21 PM
I didn't proofread.
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6/22/2006  10:23 PM
Can you post a summary.
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6/22/2006  10:23 PM
It's because Zeke has to win now. Meaning the vets will get most of the time. Is it possile to win with 1 2nd year starter 2 2nd and 1 3rd year players off the bench-not counting our 2 picks this year? Sure, not likely, but it is possible. The rooks will get time, but I would be surprised if they got as much time as they did under Brown.
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6/22/2006  10:26 PM
Just kidding. I read it. I think he will give Francis a shot with Marbury. I like the Dumars/Thomas comparison. It's what he knows. I don't think any draft pick player is untouchable. Nor is Woods or Butler. But, I don't think any of those players are throw ins.
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6/22/2006  10:30 PM
summary: zeke is going to play the players he drafted, acquired from the bulls and Marbury to death. If we're not trading odom, blah and blah for shaq, then there is not going to be a trade at all.

This is Isiah's team, he has complete faith in them and backs them 1,000% this will be reciprocated by extremely hard play by extremely desperate personalities looking to prove everyone wrong and the one person that believes in them right.
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6/22/2006  10:32 PM
I don't think he is going in this direction at all, that's what Larry did and that was a disaster. the main complaint is that the kids weren't being played/treated "properly".

It had nothing to do with winning now, it was more about letting the kids develop and working towards a championship "with the talent in place"

We recapped the minutes this after noon and I was impressed with the MPG for frye and others, now I'm talking about using those minutes completely different. Starting isn't about honoring someone, it's building towards a future playoff roster that you ride to a title. Building a chemestry.

Not because you've been in the league xx years or are paid xx million.
Posted by joec32033:

It's because Zeke has to win now. Meaning the vets will get most of the time. Is it possile to win with 1 2nd year starter 2 2nd and 1 3rd year players off the bench-not counting our 2 picks this year? Sure, not likely, but it is possible. The rooks will get time, but I would be surprised if they got as much time as they did under Brown.



[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-22-2006 10:33 PM]
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6/22/2006  10:34 PM
Because Zeke has always tried to make the big name trade. Most people are just goingo ff past history.
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6/22/2006  10:36 PM
Summary: The Knicks aren't winning a championship in our lifetime
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6/22/2006  10:39 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I don't think he is going in this direction at all, that's what Larry did and that was a disaster. the main complaint is that the kids weren't being played/treated "properly".

It had nothing to do with winning now, it was more about letting the kids develop and working towards a championship "with the talent in place"

We recapped the minutes this after noon and I was impressed with the MPG for frye and others, now I'm talking about using those minutes completely different. Starting isn't about honoring someone, it's building towards a future playoff roster that you ride to a title. Building a chemestry.

Not because you've been in the league xx years or are paid xx million.
Posted by joec32033:

It's because Zeke has to win now. Meaning the vets will get most of the time. Is it possile to win with 1 2nd year starter 2 2nd and 1 3rd year players off the bench-not counting our 2 picks this year? Sure, not likely, but it is possible. The rooks will get time, but I would be surprised if they got as much time as they did under Brown.



[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-22-2006 10:33 PM]

He will go by what gives him the best chance to win. Barring moves, that lineup is

Curry/James
Frye/Butler
Rose/Lee
Francis/Q
Steph/Crawford

No time for Nate, little time for lee if Q splits time at the SF with Rose and at SG with Francis. The frontcourt is experience light but I have no doubt that if JJ pretends he's in a contract year, Zeke will play him a lionshare of minutes.
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Posted by gunsnewing:

Summary: The Knicks aren't winning a championship in our lifetime

Summary Addendum: The Knicks aren't winning a championship in Guns future sons lifetime.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-22-2006 10:40 PM]
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6/22/2006  10:46 PM
but if you believed in that roster, wouldn't you go with the lineup you suggested?

Curry/James
Frye/Butler
Rose/Lee
Francis/Q
Steph/Crawford

If Francis plays up to his ability (or even half of that) I'd rather have him over Nate. Same goes for Q, even with his last crappy season, I still preferred him on the floor a lionshare of the game (he played defense).

Lee will be in the game alongside Frye a bunch of the time, either backing up frye or coming in when we want to go with a small lineup with frye at center.

I agree with you 100%
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6/22/2006  11:08 PM
Marbury/Francis/QRich/Frye/Curry.

If IT trades it could be for Rashard Lewis, Al Harrington or Lamar Odom (in that order of priority). I would guess that's about the end of the players that would interest him that may be accessible. (J. O'neal will not be traded to the Knicks).
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6/22/2006  11:23 PM
I think with Isiah up there there will not be 40 plus line-ups. Thats all that matters....there has to be a steady flow of minutes and there has to be a game plan. The players have to know what to expect coming into the game....that will build team chemistry cuz guys will know and grow to understand tendencies and just develop chemistry....

Isiah will still make moves. Guys got this loyalty stuff blown out of control. Isiah will continue to build the team. Brown would not have allowed Isiah to do his job because Brown wasn't playing to win. With Isiah there he has a say what goes on in every facet of the game and basketball operations.

Let's play ball......like Isiah said the 2006/07 season starts now!!!
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6/23/2006  8:50 AM
I was for Brown because in the long run, the team would have better off. Now that he is gone though, I think NY can play looser and will play with more enthusiasm for the game. Set lineups, set rotations, not calling the players out in the media and a better team atmosphere will lead to an improvement. IT will play the players he has collected to prove a point. Frye, Curry, Crawford, Lee, Nate will all be an important part of it. I think they will be similar in style to the Pitino Knicks. If I see NY pressing full court, I will be a happy guy. This team has to play loose on O and tight on D. They can do it if properly motivated.

I want to see Aguirre work wonders with Curry, Butler and Frye. If NY can win in 2 seasons under IT and move in the right direction, I bet Aguirre will be groomed as the next coach. It is his time to step up too.

This is a new day. I am ready to embrace it. Let's look forward to the draft and a deal to help the team. Maybe JO'Neal can happen now? ?? One can only hope!
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6/23/2006  8:58 AM
Thomas' coaching style according to Pacers fans

he is player friendly and backs them
he tries to develop them
his rotations and line-ups were unsettled
he doesn't install any discipline
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6/23/2006  9:06 AM
>> Thomas' coaching style according to Pacers fans

Coaching "style" according to which Pacers fans?

The ones online or the ones attending the games?

How many of them attended practices or repeat what they read in the papers?

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6/23/2006  9:07 AM
Posted by misterearl:

>> Thomas' coaching style according to Pacers fans

Coaching "style" according to which Pacers fans?

The ones online or the ones attending the games?

How many of them attended practices or repeat what they read in the papers?

go ask them
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6/23/2006  11:56 AM
Mck1, I have to be the knick fan police on you and point out Pacer Managements direct contradiction of what you are saying...I would post the links, but go to the home page of ultimateknicks in the right column. You'll see nothing but good things about isiah's coaching ability.

So to even post this is total...CRAP!
Posted by McK1:

Thomas' coaching style according to Pacers fans
he is player friendly and backs them
he tries to develop them
his rotations and line-ups were unsettled
he doesn't install any discipline

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-23-2006 11:58 AM]
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6/23/2006  11:59 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

Mck1, I have to be the knick fan police on you and point out Pacer Managements direct contradiction of what you are saying...I would post the links, but go to the home page of ultimateknicks in the right column. You'll see nothing but good things about isiah's coaching ability.

So to even post this is total...CRAP!
Posted by McK1:

Thomas' coaching style according to Pacers fans
he is player friendly and backs them
he tries to develop them
his rotations and line-ups were unsettled
he doesn't install any discipline

[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-23-2006 11:58 AM]

I read what Walsh said.

"he's no Larry Brown"
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