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BRIGGS
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6/19/2006  11:00 PM
what is this becoming an epidemic in 22 or so YOs?
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6/20/2006  12:02 AM
Maybe it's too much dunking? Just a guess, but your right, this is happening at an alarming rate.
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6/20/2006  12:09 AM
Maybe guys are just softer now adays. Who is to say that players in the past might have been candidates for the surgery but just played through the pain. I am amazed at what people go to the doctor for now adays.
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6/20/2006  12:30 AM
Softer??? Comeon. Maybe the surgury is moving to be an preventive measure that teams want to use on their investments when their bones have the best chance of producting Calcium, Marrow and cartilage. Instead of waiting years, then being in a situation of hoping for an 30 plus year old player with bone on bone knee pain that is an important player to your team is going to recovery. H20
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Posted by Anji:

Softer??? Comeon. Maybe the surgury is moving to be an preventive measure that teams want to use on their investments when their bones have the best chance of producting Calcium, Marrow and cartilage. Instead of waiting years, then being in a situation of hoping for an 30 plus year old player with bone on bone knee pain that is an important player to your team is going to recovery. H20


You got it anji. Players are coming back from stuff they never used to and they are lasting longer. People always did the same damage; it's just in the old days they would take cortisone shots and all kinds of stuff, play a few years as a diminished athlete, then retire and get knee and hip replacements etc. in their mid 30's.

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6/20/2006  1:18 AM
Yeah, we are past the days of prescribing a salt tablet for every thing that makes a player sore.

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Posted by Pharzeone:

Maybe guys are just softer now adays. Who is to say that players in the past might have been candidates for the surgery but just played through the pain. I am amazed at what people go to the doctor for now adays.
Microfracture surgery's been around for only about 10 years. A lot of these guys probably just retired before the procedure.

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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Maybe guys are just softer now adays. Who is to say that players in the past might have been candidates for the surgery but just played through the pain. I am amazed at what people go to the doctor for now adays.
Microfracture surgery's been around for only about 10 years. A lot of these guys probably just retired before the procedure.

And a lot of players have retired or never been the same because of it. Mashburn, Brandon, Houston, Webber K-Mart & Penny to name a few. We'll see how these younger players hold up I guess, but I don't see how age can be a direct factor. Guys like Kidd and McDyess have recovered rather well, maybe it's more or less the size of the hole that's drilled and an effective rehab?

This is scary stuff man, I hate these injuries.

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6/20/2006  8:26 AM
Smaller (shorter) players these days carry so much more weight than the older guys used to. It is muscle weight, but I wonder if that is taking its toll on the joints.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Maybe guys are just softer now adays. Who is to say that players in the past might have been candidates for the surgery but just played through the pain. I am amazed at what people go to the doctor for now adays.
Microfracture surgery's been around for only about 10 years. A lot of these guys probably just retired before the procedure.

And a lot of players have retired or never been the same because of it. Mashburn, Brandon, Houston, Webber K-Mart & Penny to name a few. We'll see how these younger players hold up I guess, but I don't see how age can be a direct factor. Guys like Kidd and McDyess have recovered rather well, maybe it's more or less the size of the hole that's drilled and an effective rehab?

This is scary stuff man, I hate these injuries.

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6/20/2006  9:16 AM
I didn't stay at a holiday inn express like some of y'all, but I think there are many variables to the procedure and conditions by which players have the operation or don't.

Weber might not have been the same, but he might have been done by now had it not been done.

What we are learning is time is a big factor. Allan came back too soon, as might have Weber. Dice took the proper amount of time and Amare was very careful.

Players are bigger and stronger earlier than ever before. They are weight training at earlier ages which does not help. Back in the day they wanted us to run and run more with fundamentals being practiced.

The bigger taller more athletic player rely less on fundamentals and thus the problem.

White guys like Mchale, bird and pistol pete were fundmentally superior and had good careers. Pete was plagued with bad knees most of his pro career. He never fully came back from one injury but was still able to play and contribute at a high level.

Shooters like trent tucker, and Dell curry were also fundamentally sound. H20 was percieved as having longevity. He should have been given a full year. Players like Spree deteriorate when they lose step.
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6/20/2006  1:16 PM
how in the blue hell does mchale still have a job?

he lost 3 #1's for joe smith, use another one in ndudi ebi, and his lotto pick is an mf'er (microfracture).

layden should send his resume up north...
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6/20/2006  1:18 PM
? How's he supposed to know when drafting McCants that he'd need mf surgery a year later?
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6/20/2006  1:20 PM
it's about another mchale decision that hasn't reaped any reward.
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Posted by djsunyc:

how in the blue hell does mchale still have a job?

he lost 3 #1's for joe smith, use another one in ndudi ebi, and his lotto pick is an mf'er (microfracture).

layden should send his resume up north...


He took the rap for his owner. McHale is an extension of Glen Taylor.
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Posted by djsunyc:

how in the blue hell does mchale still have a job?

he lost 3 #1's for joe smith, use another one in ndudi ebi, and his lotto pick is an mf'er (microfracture).

layden should send his resume up north...


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Posted by gr33d:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Maybe guys are just softer now adays. Who is to say that players in the past might have been candidates for the surgery but just played through the pain. I am amazed at what people go to the doctor for now adays.
Microfracture surgery's been around for only about 10 years. A lot of these guys probably just retired before the procedure.

And a lot of players have retired or never been the same because of it. Mashburn, Brandon, Houston, Webber K-Mart & Penny to name a few. We'll see how these younger players hold up I guess, but I don't see how age can be a direct factor. Guys like Kidd and McDyess have recovered rather well, maybe it's more or less the size of the hole that's drilled and an effective rehab?

This is scary stuff man, I hate these injuries.



It wasn't the surgery that made them not the same. It was the injury.

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Posted by oohah:
Posted by gr33d:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Maybe guys are just softer now adays. Who is to say that players in the past might have been candidates for the surgery but just played through the pain. I am amazed at what people go to the doctor for now adays.
Microfracture surgery's been around for only about 10 years. A lot of these guys probably just retired before the procedure.

And a lot of players have retired or never been the same because of it. Mashburn, Brandon, Houston, Webber K-Mart & Penny to name a few. We'll see how these younger players hold up I guess, but I don't see how age can be a direct factor. Guys like Kidd and McDyess have recovered rather well, maybe it's more or less the size of the hole that's drilled and an effective rehab?

This is scary stuff man, I hate these injuries.



It wasn't the surgery that made them not the same. It was the injury.

oohah
Yeah, that's something most people don't understand. You had to have the surgery yourself unfortunately and probably know first-hand that you have the surgery only when you *already* have such a bad injury that nearly all your cartilage is destroeyed
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