According to alot of stories coming out, over the past month Toronto is open to dealing the top pick. Would a deal like

Steph and the 29 for Alvin Williams (cut), Eric WIlliams, (Cut-possibly), Humphries or Bonner (Cut), and the #1?

Or

Steph and Lee or Nate for the same package?

It does work according to the trade checker.

first, how many teams are lined up for steph's services?
second, how many of those teams would be willing to part with the #1 overall pick for him?
third, who's the gm of toronto again?

joe - toronto, mainly brian colangelo will not be trading for steph or francis so we can put that to rest.

bosh is on record saying they need a point that looks to pass first and not to score his points. that eliminates our studs from the equation...

if I was Toronto I would try to trade down to get two picks. or just take Tyrus Thomas and have the nastiest frontline in basketball. whatever.

Posted by crzymdups:

if I was Toronto I would try to trade down to get two picks. or just take Tyrus Thomas and have the nastiest frontline in basketball. whatever.

Im pretty sure Bargani is going #1

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by crzymdups:

if I was Toronto I would try to trade down to get two picks. or just take Tyrus Thomas and have the nastiest frontline in basketball. whatever.

I have a hard time arguing with that other than saying they can possibly fill 2 holes with makling a move (PG and PF) as opposed to drafting Ty and maybe having to settle for a 3rd rate PG.

yeah, I mean if I was Toronto my serious options right now would be taking Tyrus Thomas to complete the frontline, or finding a way to trade down and get Marcus Williams and another big. maybe they trade the #1 to Portland so Portland can take Morrison and TOR takes Marcus 4th and they get either future picks from Portland or Portland gives them cap relief or a guy like Outlaw. something like that. course, Jerry Colangelo is pretty smart, I'm he's got it worked out. but I bet Toronto walks away from this draft with Marcus Williams.

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Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by crzymdups:

if I was Toronto I would try to trade down to get two picks. or just take Tyrus Thomas and have the nastiest frontline in basketball. whatever.

I have a hard time arguing with that other than saying they can possibly fill 2 holes with makling a move (PG and PF) as opposed to drafting Ty and maybe having to settle for a 3rd rate PG.

the good thing about toronto is that they're not on a time table. they have the #1 pick. they have cap room this summer and next. they have time to build what they need to build. if they have to settle for a 3rd rate pg this year, that's fine.

even tho no gm is flawless, there are a handful of gm's out there that have earned the benefit of the doubt and colangelo is one of them.

if they draft b-ninny, ty, or aldridge - they'll be fine as each one of them will fit with their team.

They don't have a timetable according to fans, but do you think Bosh is gonna resign if they take a project (but the best project available) in Ty or a softish player in LaMarcus and settle for a Marcus Banks or Speedy Claxton at the point?

at the end of the day, fans that post on these boards (myself included), don't know anything about what's really going on...

Raptors hold off extinction with Bosh bash
By Marc J. Spears
Denver Post NBA beat reporter


Canadians celebrated Easter on Monday, April 17, Victoria Day on May 22 in recognition of Queen Victoria's birthday and Boxing Day the day after Christmas out of respect for the time church poor boxes are opened. And on July 12, it will be Chris Bosh Day as Canadians likely will celebrate the signing of a lucrative six-year contract extension that will keep the American in a Toronto Raptors uniform.

"I can't wait to sign it," Bosh said. "I know where I'll be. If I didn't, I would have to answer all those free-agent questions.

"It's for me and my family. I can focus on building a championship team there. ... If I know where I'll be, I'll worry about the team and make us better."

The main reason to celebrate Bosh's signing is that it will validate a franchise longing for NBA prominence. Without him, the struggling will continue north of the border.

Bosh averaged 22.5 points, 9.2 rebounds and 1.13 blocked shots this past season. The 6-foot-10, 230-pounder also made his first all-star appearance.

But while numerous members of the famed 2003 draft class - Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Kaman, Kirk Hinrich and Josh Howard - have played in the postseason, Bosh has yet to make it to the playoffs. The Raptors have missed the playoffs four straight seasons and were 27-55 last season.

If Bosh wanted to play hardball, he could ask for a one-year extension to become an unrestricted free agent in 2008. With the franchise's struggles and Canadian taxes in mind, there had been a possibility that Toronto could lose Bosh, a member of the U.S. national team. But "T-dot" natives have nothing to worry about.

"I love Toronto," Bosh said. "The people are nice. The city is nice. If we win, we can sell out every night. It's a work in progress. You hear that Toronto people have backed away. But people will respect the players and the franchise."

The main reason Bosh feels comfortable is the arrival of Bryan Colangelo, who left the Phoenix Suns to join the Raptors as president and general manager on Feb. 28. The 2005 NBA executive of the year is the mastermind behind the Suns' roster.

"To get a guy of that stature away from the place he was shows (the Raptors) are passionate about winning," Bosh said. "He's making changes, and he wants to make this franchise a winner." Along with keeping Bosh, the Raptors also have a 2006 all-rookie first-team selection in Charlie Villanueva on the roster and have the top pick in this month's draft.

While Bosh has said he isn't fond of the possibility of drafting Italian forward Andrea Bargnani - he would rather see the team add Texas forward and fellow Dallas native LaMarcus Aldridge - he isn't forcing his opinions.

"I'm rooting for the best pick, whether it's (Bargnani) or a trade," said Bosh, who has been working out in Dallas with Aldridge. "Whatever is best."

Aldridge had a overall impressive workout for the Raptors on Friday. Toronto also is considering Bargnani, who has averaged 16.5 points and 6.5 rebounds while leading Benetton Treviso to a 2-0 lead over Climanio Bologna in the Italian League Series A Finals.

Posted by joec32033:

Dj, the article makes a valid argument, but I never believe anything a FA-to-be says about the team he is currently on. I don't expect him to say if we don't win I'm gone, or we better make the trades I want or I'll leave. 2 reasons why: 1-It hurts his negotiating with his current team. 2-It hurts his negotiating with other teams. No team is gonna want to pay top dollar for a guy that may or may not start complaining about his new team and what it is doing WHILE he is under contract with them.

joe - he has no negotiating power with other teams. the choices are simple - sign and extension with toronto, sign a one year qualifying offer, or demand a trade.

he's staying in toronto and he's going to sign the extension. that's what almost EVERY player in his situation (high draft pick/frachise player) does. they sign and make sure they get the guaranteed money. he doesn't have $100 mil endorsement deals like lebron.

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Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Dj, the article makes a valid argument, but I never believe anything a FA-to-be says about the team he is currently on. I don't expect him to say if we don't win I'm gone, or we better make the trades I want or I'll leave. 2 reasons why: 1-It hurts his negotiating with his current team. 2-It hurts his negotiating with other teams. No team is gonna want to pay top dollar for a guy that may or may not start complaining about his new team and what it is doing WHILE he is under contract with them.

joe - he has no negotiating power with other teams. the choices are simple - sign and extension with toronto, sign a one year qualifying offer, or demand a trade.

he's staying in toronto and he's going to sign the extension. that's what almost EVERY player in his situation (high draft pick/frachise player) does. they sign and make sure they get the guaranteed money. he doesn't have $100 mil endorsement deals like lebron.

DJ, he has plenty of the so-called "juice" in Toronto. What happens if he does sign the 1 yr QO and leaves? Where is Toronto then? Demanding an outright trade is different than bad mouthing your team or saying you want to leave if x move doesn't happen. You can demand a trade for a million different reasons and still keep your back clean-Look at TMac, Vince, etc....Winning and playing at a high level also erases alot of that "trade demand" stigma.

That $100 mil endorsement deal is the MAIN reason he would leave. What type of endorsement deal can he command in LA? NY? CHI? Hell even NJ when they move to Brooklyn! But he damn sure isn't gonna say that, because as we all know-because they all say it-leaving a team is never about the money.

here's my position on bosh (and i'll mention it again, toronto is my 2nd favorite team so i do follow them quite a bit) - they will not go through another vince carter situation. if bosh starts "diva-ing" up, they will trade him. a player of his stature has NO BUSINESS demanding stuff. the way he talked earlier this offseason, sounded as if he already thought he was the franchise and was starting to demand stuff. but as of late, he has backed off of those type of statements. and i'm guessing it's b/c colangelo had a talk with him. if he demands a trade b/c he's not happy, they will trade him, no questions asked.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by joec32033:

Dj, the article makes a valid argument, but I never believe anything a FA-to-be says about the team he is currently on. I don't expect him to say if we don't win I'm gone, or we better make the trades I want or I'll leave. 2 reasons why: 1-It hurts his negotiating with his current team. 2-It hurts his negotiating with other teams. No team is gonna want to pay top dollar for a guy that may or may not start complaining about his new team and what it is doing WHILE he is under contract with them.

joe - he has no negotiating power with other teams. the choices are simple - sign and extension with toronto, sign a one year qualifying offer, or demand a trade.

he's staying in toronto and he's going to sign the extension. that's what almost EVERY player in his situation (high draft pick/frachise player) does. they sign and make sure they get the guaranteed money. he doesn't have $100 mil endorsement deals like lebron.

DJ, he has plenty of the so-called "juice" in Toronto. What happens if he does sign the 1 yr QO and leaves? Where is Toronto then? Demanding an outright trade is different than bad mouthing your team or saying you want to leave if x move doesn't happen. You can demand a trade for a million different reasons and still keep your back clean-Look at TMac, Vince, etc....Winning and playing at a high level also erases alot of that "trade demand" stigma.

That $100 mil endorsement deal is the MAIN reason he would leave. What type of endorsement deal can he command in LA? NY? CHI? Hell even NJ when they move to Brooklyn! But he damn sure isn't gonna say that, because as we all know-because they all say it-leaving a team is never about the money.

here's my position on bosh (and i'll mention it again, toronto is my 2nd favorite team so i do follow them quite a bit) - they will not go through another vince carter situation. if bosh starts "diva-ing" up, they will trade him. a player of his stature has NO BUSINESS demanding stuff. the way he talked earlier this offseason, sounded as if he already thought he was the franchise and was starting to demand stuff. but as of late, he has backed off of those type of statements. and i'm guessing it's b/c colangelo had a talk with him. if he demands a trade b/c he's not happy, they will trade him, no questions asked.

I agree with that, but remember if teams know you HAVE to trade a player, the value plummets-like you said, ask Toronto what they took for Carter after demanding a team like us took Jalen's contract too. It weakens the overall position of the team. And no team trading for Bosh is gonna trade a can't miss star for him. Look at what Indy got for Artest-a broken down Peja. For a fat and aging shaq, LA couldn't wrestle Wade from Miami, TMac wanted out and Orlando got the cast from "Brokeback Mountain" and then let one of them walk and traded the other for cap relief...

the chances of them trading bosh are slim but in the event the situation does come up, he's a 21 year old budding superstar - they'll get a good package in return.

the chances of them trading bosh are slim but in the event the situation does come up, he's a 21 year old budding superstar - they'll get a good package in return.

Unless he comes out and says "I want out of Toronto, they suck because they are not trying to win and they didn't make the roster changes I want." You have to admit it has the potetntail to be a sticky situation, IMO.