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BRIGGS
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6/14/2006  11:35 AM
It seems like many of the wave knick fans like to *give up* on things if they are not happening immediately--and this is in part due to how the company has been run the last 4 years or so OR from fans from the 90s who know nothing but playoffs and trying to get to the end.

We invested A LOT in Curry--no matter what happens with curry these negotiations and finally what we gave the Bulls was an INSANE package.

BUt this is OUR guy--we have to HOPE and PRAY that he comes in shpw both physically and mentally. We have to hope he is snarling mad, peod off and wants to prove some things here AND he can PHYSICALLY do it. He is 6-10 280is and very agile with good touch and long arms. He has an incredible physical build[like what i was saying with JR] he CAN do it--he has PROVED he can do it he just HAS to do it CONSISTENLY and care about it.


As Knick fans we have to WANT curry to fight through and succeed and HE has to want it. I dont think we need to promote any negativity against Curry--Im keeping a positive attitude that he will succeed and grow sa a player
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6/14/2006  11:42 AM
does curry need patience? yes.
is he still young? yes.
does he have the phsyical tools to improve? yes.
do we want him to succeed? yes.
is there any tangible evidence that he will dedicate himself to become better? no.

briggs - what exactly is promote negativity? the guy has red flags galore. and the key words you used were "HOPE" and "PRAY". that's the state the franchise is in..."HOPE" and "PRAY". i'm not going to just do that. i can only speak for myself but i need to see him show up in shape both physically and mentally. i saw how frye, nate, lee, qyntel, and jackie all changed and got better as the season went along. but i didn't see that out of eddy. if i did, then there's something to hang your hat on...but we didn't.

there's no promotion of negativity from me. it's just he has to show me if he's anything more than a complimentary piece. and YES, what we invested DOES MATTER in my evaluation even if he had nothing to do with the negotiation part of it.
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6/14/2006  11:42 AM
He won't be. He just doesn't care
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6/14/2006  11:46 AM
i agree in general, cuz i'd prefer not to give up on Curry either... but what if there were some attractive offers on the table for him? you wouldn't trade Curry to get Ben Wallace right now if you could for example? what about Curry as part of a trade to get KG? or in a deal to get some other young players that are a better fit for a defensive scheme? you can't refuse deals just because of the fact that we gave up an arm & a leg to get a guy, you have to consider each deal based on its own merits... if there's a deal out there for Curry that will help this team going forward, i don't see why he can't be traded just like anyone else on this roster... unless you're fully convinced that Curry is going to be our star C of the future, then it makes all the sense in the world to keep him, but if there are still question marks about him & you have a chance to make a deal to get some pieces that will help this team's chances of winning games over the longhaul, you have to consider it... in the end it's all about improving the team's future going forward.
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6/14/2006  11:57 AM
Why would you want to trade for a 33 yr old Ben Wallace who is gonna command a max contract......Wallace is final piece to a puzzle.....Knicks aint no where near contending for a Chip......We need to be trying to get younger and build with our youth...
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6/14/2006  11:59 AM
Who has given up on Curry? I think we all have agreed that we want to see him come into camp in shape and prepared and ready to go for the next NBA season. I actually have confidence that he CAN come into camp in shape this season, but that is not what I am worried about. What scares me is that he always struck me as someone who is not really receptive to coaching. He passed out of a double maybe 5 times at the end of last season, and 0 times for the rest. Great. He still got the 1 trillion offensive fouls while being triple teamed and just didn't seem interested out there a good percentage of the time. If he showed half the enthusiasm that last years rookies put foward, I would be excited, but he didn't.

Like I said, I DO have faith in Curry and his future and believe it or not, I have some faith in these other players as well, which includes Marbury. I think we can improve from within' and come together

But Curry coming to camp in shape is only the first step. He has lost a lot of weight before, so I don't doubt he'll do it again. It's the being mentally ready and prepared part, so he can improve his game that worries me, but Briggs, I pray and have hope too.

BTW, F* KG and Ben Wallace.
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6/14/2006  12:07 PM
amen, briggs.
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6/14/2006  12:09 PM
We couldn't get chris kaman for curry at this point. The best option is to take the hit and move on. Hopefully Curry can be a quality backup at the 5 spot/ a taller, more athletic michael sweetney; start dlee and Channing at the 4/5
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6/14/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by NotFrye:

We couldn't get chris kaman for curry at this point. The best option is to take the hit and move on. Hopefully Curry can be a quality backup at the 5 spot/ a taller, more athletic michael sweetney; start dlee and Channing at the 4/5

That's probably because Kaman is a better overall center than Curry at this point.
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6/14/2006  12:48 PM
any belief out there that a presence like Alonzo Mourning gives the Knicks:

a) an intense guy that teaches Curry how to be a professional - note: I don't think Curry is a bad guy, I don't think he's JR Rider like in that he's beyond instruction....I just think that he's on cruise control

b) a major presence under the boards for 20+ minutes a night
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6/14/2006  12:51 PM
Posted by purple012870:

any belief out there that a presence like Alonzo Mourning gives the Knicks:

a) an intense guy that teaches Curry how to be a professional - note: I don't think Curry is a bad guy, I don't think he's JR Rider like in that he's beyond instruction....I just think that he's on cruise control

b) a major presence under the boards for 20+ minutes a night

I think Curry needs two things-a Zo-like vet to help him, and a kick in the ass that starting is not his right it's a privelage. Bench him until he earns it.
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6/14/2006  12:52 PM
Posted by NotFrye:

We couldn't get chris kaman for curry at this point. The best option is to take the hit and move on. Hopefully Curry can be a quality backup at the 5 spot/ a taller, more athletic michael sweetney; start dlee and Channing at the 4/5


Yup..I would buy that for a dollar.
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6/14/2006  12:56 PM
people are taking out their frustrations on the lost lotto pick on Curry. this is all pretty silly.
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6/14/2006  2:09 PM
Curry does one thing well - score in the low post. He can't pass to save his life, he's a living turnover machine and he doesn't play much defense. He's a slow learner and doesn't have much stamina. I don't think it's weak or irrational to give up on a player like this. He's just doesn't have what it takes between the ears to play nba level basketball.
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6/14/2006  2:31 PM
It's also a matter of preferrence. I prefer a hardworking player like Frye than a lax player like Curry.
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6/14/2006  2:39 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

people are taking out their frustrations on the lost lotto pick on Curry. this is all pretty silly.

first off, it's a guaranteed 3 picks, 2006 #1, 2007 #2, 2009 #2. then there's the possibility of a swap in 2007 #1 which seems more likely to occur.

there's no frustrations. the team blows and we gave up a franchise pricetag for eddy. that's isiah's fault. so how do i look at it? i say eddy better develop into one hell of a player b/c isiah wanted him so badly, he was willing to give up alot for him.

look at arod. he's known for his $250 mil contract. he still puts up MONSTER #'s yet the fanbase never gives him the benefit of the doubt. but if he produces in the playoffs, then it's all good.

but what we have here is a guy that doesn't have the work ethic like arod nor the monster #'s. if he produces and shows us something on a regular basis, the picks don't matter. but he has yet to do that. so now we're sitting here "hoping"....just like the bulls did.

it's not silly at all.

similar arguments were said of a guy like tim thomas. he has all the tools but something is keeping him from achieving the level he should be at. and that followed him his entire career.
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6/14/2006  2:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:

people are taking out their frustrations on the lost lotto pick on Curry. this is all pretty silly.

first off, it's a guaranteed 3 picks, 2006 #1, 2007 #2, 2009 #2. then there's the possibility of a swap in 2007 #1 which seems more likely to occur.

there's no frustrations. the team blows and we gave up a franchise pricetag for eddy. that's isiah's fault. so how do i look at it? i say eddy better develop into one hell of a player b/c isiah wanted him so badly, he was willing to give up alot for him.

look at arod. he's known for his $250 mil contract. he still puts up MONSTER #'s yet the fanbase never gives him the benefit of the doubt. but if he produces in the playoffs, then it's all good.

but what we have here is a guy that doesn't have the work ethic like arod nor the monster #'s. if he produces and shows us something on a regular basis, the picks don't matter. but he has yet to do that. so now we're sitting here "hoping"....just like the bulls did.

it's not silly at all.

similar arguments were said of a guy like tim thomas. he has all the tools but something is keeping him from achieving the level he should be at. and that followed him his entire career.

so, basically, you're taking your frustrations about the draft picks out on a pretty good player.

hey, you blame Curry and Zeke for last season, I place more blame on Larry's shoulders. whatever.
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6/14/2006  2:56 PM
Lets get this straight. Eddy Curry is NOT a pretty good player. He's a bad player with the potential to be a GREAT player. But all you see of him right now is this:

Post up move dunk, 3 offensive fouls in a row, come back in the game, a blown layup, nice hook shot, blown defensive assignment, offensive foul, another blown defensive assignment, putback dunk, lost rebound, offensive foul, Brown takes him out for the rest of the game and lets Frye and Mo T/Malik do the work. I knew it before the trade.

Curry being a bad player at this point has nothing to do with Larry Brown, it's all on himself.

Like I said I HAVE FAITH IN HIM! I actually like him too. He seems to have a good head and he's one of the guys that doesn't really make excuses. I think he'll be a good player if he gets his head out of his ars.

That's pretty much the sequence it's been for Curry this whole season. He's not a good player at this point. Chicago sure as in hell knew it, bad heart or good heart.
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6/14/2006  3:01 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:

people are taking out their frustrations on the lost lotto pick on Curry. this is all pretty silly.

first off, it's a guaranteed 3 picks, 2006 #1, 2007 #2, 2009 #2. then there's the possibility of a swap in 2007 #1 which seems more likely to occur.

there's no frustrations. the team blows and we gave up a franchise pricetag for eddy. that's isiah's fault. so how do i look at it? i say eddy better develop into one hell of a player b/c isiah wanted him so badly, he was willing to give up alot for him.

look at arod. he's known for his $250 mil contract. he still puts up MONSTER #'s yet the fanbase never gives him the benefit of the doubt. but if he produces in the playoffs, then it's all good.

but what we have here is a guy that doesn't have the work ethic like arod nor the monster #'s. if he produces and shows us something on a regular basis, the picks don't matter. but he has yet to do that. so now we're sitting here "hoping"....just like the bulls did.

it's not silly at all.

similar arguments were said of a guy like tim thomas. he has all the tools but something is keeping him from achieving the level he should be at. and that followed him his entire career.

so, basically, you're taking your frustrations about the draft picks out on a pretty good player.

hey, you blame Curry and Zeke for last season, I place more blame on Larry's shoulders. whatever.

one question, why did you take my criticisms of curry and translate that to blaming him for last season?
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6/14/2006  3:24 PM
His value couldn't be lower. Stand pat.
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