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6/9/2006  3:11 PM
Whats the major difference between these players games??

And is there any player in this draft in the Gerald Wallace mold. Who can collect rebounds, stls, blks at the SF position in our range??

Is there anyway to snatch Wallace from Bobcats??
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6/9/2006  3:35 PM
Is there anyway to snatch Wallace from Bobcats??
Hmmm.... Gerald Wallace plays D, gets close to 8 boards, 15 points and 2 blocks at SF. I would say he's the key to their team. If they are entertaining offers I would be willing to move Frye for him. I think the talent is more than a fair swap. If I'm Cha I probably just pass and put role players around Felton/Oak4/Wallace, one of the bright young cores in the league.

I think the time to have a shot at Gerald Wallace has passed. Josh Smith still may be an option. Where does the bidding start? Francis and Lee? Francis and the picks? I would do either.
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6/9/2006  3:40 PM
i think varejao is a better defender and more aggressive overall. lee is better offensively - with the ball in his hands, shooting, passing. varejao's nice on in close to the basket shots and putbacks though.

i think lee is a better rebounder.

i like both a lot as players.
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6/9/2006  3:43 PM
I see Lee as a more mobile, better ball handler, passer. Neither can shoot. Varejao is taller & more stout. Can do well for stretches at the 5 as well as the 4.

Both put up big rebounding #s for any minutes they get.

Varejao is probably regarded better, b/c he's playing for a young, exciting team & made an impact whereas Lee played for a horrendous team & was jerked around by his coach.
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6/9/2006  4:28 PM
Does anybody remember the trade talk between Laker & the Knicks when LA inquired about Frye and Isiah inquired about Bynum?

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6/9/2006  4:42 PM
I like them both, consider that Lee hasn't had the opportunity to play more than one year in the nba and get acclimated to the style of play.

Right this second for a team assembled to play well ASAP, not lee, but a team looking to make NOISE in 2 years, it's lee all the way, way more versatile and when he's headed to the basket in transition, HE'S THROWING IT DOWN!!!

I don't know, lee was one of my favorites instantly. I jock the other guy (I can't even remember his name as I type) but his height helps a bit...but you gotta love Lee's hops.
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6/9/2006  4:44 PM
I still think wallace and reezy are similar in styles but wallace excels for the same reasons varejao has an edge over Lee...experience and opportunity.

the book is still out.
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6/9/2006  6:20 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I still think wallace and reezy are similar in styles but wallace excels for the same reasons varejao has an edge over Lee...experience and opportunity.

the book is still out.


so Trev proved he is NOT TMac or Marion now he's Wallace

Those guys took the time to learn the pro game. Perhaps Trev should've been out pricing shooting and ball-handling coaches instead of Bentleys
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6/9/2006  6:27 PM
varjao is stronger, and that is about it, lee is quicker, a much better leaper and finisher, uses both hands well, can handle the ball, and although both don't have a good shot, lee's is still better than varajao...
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6/9/2006  6:31 PM
draft de Souza
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6/9/2006  7:40 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Whats the major difference between these players games??

And is there any player in this draft in the Gerald Wallace mold. Who can collect rebounds, stls, blks at the SF position in our range??

Is there anyway to snatch Wallace from Bobcats??

The raptors say they love Ruday Gay....so they might draft him. If they do I'd say the Knicks have a shot at Gerald Wallace. I would seriously love to have Gerald Wallace in a Knick uniform. He is not afraid to get up at the rim to block shots like he's Mutombo or something. Nice slasher, decent passer, questionable shooter but the dude hit like 5 or 6 threes against the Knicks that faithful evening....

Anyway...Knicks would be lucky to get him. You defense whores should be talking about him. He is definately one of those two way players the Knicks need.
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6/9/2006  7:43 PM
who would Charlotte want of this roster for Gerald Wallace?
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6/9/2006  7:45 PM
Posted by fishmike:



I think the time to have a shot at Gerald Wallace has passed. Josh Smith still may be an option. Where does the bidding start? Francis and Lee? Francis and the picks? I would do either.


I love childress. I think Childress is going to be a big time player soon. He's great on defense too with steals.....Atlanta may have too many swing men and need a point guard. Francis and Joe Johnson is kinda deadly on paper, lol....like that means anything

Still Josh is not a power fwd or a small fwd, but he is a fan favorite. Still they do have Marvin Williams that they invested a top draft pick on. Lots of question marks.....but the Knicks should see what Atlanta is willing to let go.
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6/9/2006  7:45 PM
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who would Charlotte want of this roster for Gerald Wallace?

beats the hell out of me.
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6/9/2006  8:11 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

You defense whores should be talking about him.


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6/9/2006  10:32 PM
Whats Frye & Curry's strength and weaknesses?

Strength is they are both cappable scorers. Frye on the high post can knock down jumpers, put the ball on the floor a little, post up with a jump hook coming around, and has athletism around the basket.
Curry is a monster on the offensive glass, put backs, tip ins. When he gets the ball deep enough he can't be stopped.

Weakness: they both aren't great rebounders or shotblockers or provide any defensive presence. There for we need guys like that around them to cover up the holes in the frontcourt.

If we could get guys like that at SF & backup Center. With David Lee in mind at PF. Then we would be in excellent shape as a frontcourt.
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6/10/2006  1:33 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Whats the major difference between these players games??

And is there any player in this draft in the Gerald Wallace mold. Who can collect rebounds, stls, blks at the SF position in our range??

Is there anyway to snatch Wallace from Bobcats??


I think Gay can stuff the stat sheet similar to Wallace....
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6/10/2006  2:37 AM
best compliment for Curry seems to be guards who can keep a game in the mid 90's and a four who can score in the paint and interior pass (I've never seen him play but from the sound of the scouting report Adeleke fits the mold).

Curry is at his best working off the attention drawn to others vs being a focal point.
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6/10/2006  12:37 PM
big time..curry should benefit greatly from an expanded frye/lee role more than anyone.

if frye gets back to his shotblocking ways of college and qrich can continue to take the defensive wing duties, we have all we need.

qwoods plays solid defense IMHO.

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6/11/2006  8:33 AM
I don't think Gay is in our range. The only way he is in our range is if we trade Frye. Im not looking to deal any of the young core to add a player like Gay. Im looking to add a player like Gay to the young core. Unless we can find a player like Frye in the later part of the draft.

And no im not trying to build around Curry. But he can be a big piece in a deep frontcourt that does a bunch of different things. Using an example
Curry/Gadzruric
Frye/Lee
Wallace/Woods
With that frontcourt you have 3 strong rebounders. 2 good weakside shotblockers, And one good intimidater, Lee can also be groomed to be a high post defender. All around Curry & Frye in the frontcourt so they aren't depended on to do those things. Wallace, Lee, Gadzuric also are players that don't need the ball in there hands to be effective so they won't take the offensive touches away from Frye & Curry. And while Curry does need the ball to be effective and he doesn't to much else, but score. Though he deos force teams to game plan for him. He is better when plays aren't called for him. The offense could be running pick and rolls/pops and all that good stuff for Frye. That will draw the one big man out of the paint helping Curry do what he does on the offensive glass and cause problems. We can also penitrate and dump to Curry, and do that alley oop play. With the more peppy style(As Blueseats likes to call it). Thats slowed down feed Curry game plan is less effective. In a half court set that would be the game plan. And everyone else can get theres when teams start to commit to that. And from pushing the ball off of turnovers, blocks, or long rebounds.

With the pieces we already have. Building toward something like that should be the goal. Taylor, Rose, James should get bought out.

As for the backcourt. We will have to deal with a mess for the next 2 seasons.
We need a defensive, pass first pg, that can hit the spot up 3 to compliment the combo guards. But we are tied to the contracts of Marbury, Francis, Crawford, and have Nate coming along. Plus have veterans in Rose & Richardson with Woods coming along at G/F ensuring complaints next season. Rose should be bought out. Francis can be given away to ATL. Id take a 07 draft pick from them if they weren't willing to give up Josh Smith. Richardson can be moved for ending salary as well. Maybe Portland(Richarson & Taylor for Ratliff & Skinner). And while I love Nate. With the fact that we are tied down to Marbury & Crawford's contracts. Swaping him for another young defensive pass first pg who can hit the spot up 3 might be in our best interest. Move Marbury to shooting guard. Have Crawford come off the bench as combo guard.
Contracts we would end up buying out are James, Rose, Rose, Skinner maybe Ratliff if we need the roster spot. Yes thats a lot of money wasted. But we would improve "drastically" and actually be a playoff bound competitive team while those contracts run out. As long as Dolan is willing to pay it. And then when Marbury's contract expires after 3 more seasons. We would be in incredible shape. As long as we don't sign a scrub to the mid level.
Using an example of the roster
Curry/Gadzuric(type)
Frye/Lee
Wallace(type)/Woods(or outside shooter)
Marbury/Crawford
Hinrich would be ideal but he is a lottery type of prospect. Chris Duhon(type)
This guy Will Blalock from Iowa state seems like he is perfect for that type of plan.
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/willblalock.asp
There is also another prospect that looks like he would fit the SF im looking
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/louisamundson.asp
If we were to do all that above and swap Nate for the draft pick. Draft Boone, Amudonson, Blalock. We woud look like. Or maybe take Mardy Collins, Boone, Amudonson.
Curry/Boone/Butler
Frye/Lee/Butler
Amudonson/Woods
Marbury/Crawford
(Blalock orCollins)/Crawford/cheap free agent pickup.
With no more stupid signings. After 3yrs Marbury would be off the books. Frye, Lee, Woods, Butler would be resigned and we would probably still have a bunch of money left to sign a big time freeagent to put around a nicley assembled team. In the meantime we could watch them grow and compete.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 06-11-2006 08:35 AM]
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