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BRIGGS
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5/30/2006  7:08 PM
fill in a player who you think should go 20--cant use any of the first 19 obviously. Ill get a consensus for 20 fill in 21-28 and then you can pick again at 29 no trades
1. Tor Andrea Bargani
2. Chi Tyrus Thomas
3. Char Rudy Gay
4 Por Adam Morrison
5 Atl Randy Foye
6 Min Marcus Williams
7 Bos Patrick Obryant
8 Hou Brandon Roy
9 GS Mardy Collins
10 Sea Sheldan Williams
11 orl J J Redick
12 No Cedric Simmons
13 Phil Shawne Williams
14 Utah Ronnie Brewer
15 NO Aaron Gray
16 chi Rodney Carney
17 ind Rajon Rondo
18 was Hilton Armstrong
19 Sac Saer Sene

20 NY Maurice Ager G mich St
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5/30/2006  7:28 PM
I say Richard Roby. This guy is top 5 next year. Previously you said he wouldn't be there at 20, so there.
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5/30/2006  7:35 PM
lamarcus aldridge baby.

briggs re-do your top 19, you forgot him.
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Pharzeone
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5/30/2006  7:38 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

lamarcus aldridge baby.

briggs re-do your top 19, you forgot him.

ROFL, I didn't even notice. F Roby, yeah take Aldrige. And if you put him in there then Sene drops. You can't beat the law of physics. Somebody has to drop.
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5/30/2006  7:59 PM
how about this: Steve Francis, Eddie Curry and both our #1s for Josh Smith and the Hawk's pick.
Draft Rudy Gay and wait for this group to develop:
Frye, Lee, Butler
Josh Smith, Rudy Gay
Nate, Crawford
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5/30/2006  10:13 PM
Posted by fishmike:

how about this: Steve Francis, Eddie Curry and both our #1s for Josh Smith and the Hawk's pick.
Draft Rudy Gay and wait for this group to develop:
Frye, Lee, Butler
Josh Smith, Rudy Gay
Nate, Crawford

I love the concept. I am unsure 1) whether Atlanta would do it 2) whether the math works out correctly based on Atlanta's cap space and the value of Smith + the 1st round pick and 3)how to move Marbury out of the way so this squad can develop.
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5/30/2006  10:14 PM
Hawks passed on Eddy Curry last Summer. He even visited Atlanta for a few days and was interviewed on several local news shows.

Billy Knight would never go back on a deal he passed on and Josh Smith is one of the few gate attractions for this entertainment-based franchise.

Creative idea. No deal.
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5/30/2006  10:46 PM
I like this thread Briggs! Good idea my friend.

I want Kyle Lowry at 20. I've stated my reasons on why I like him a million times before so I'm not doing it again but Lowry at 20 would make me a somewhat happy Knick fan.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-30-2006 10:47 PM]
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5/30/2006  10:56 PM
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BRIGGS
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5/31/2006  12:13 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

lamarcus aldridge baby.

briggs re-do your top 19, you forgot him.

ouch, well ill do it again closer to the draft but the concept is there make sene available because he will likely be there
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5/31/2006  12:17 AM
Lowry or Boone depending on what guards we have on our team and we can get Killingsworth or Hassan Adams with the later pick.
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5/31/2006  12:27 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Hawks passed on Eddy Curry last Summer. He even visited Atlanta for a few days and was interviewed on several local news shows.

Billy Knight would never go back on a deal he passed on and Josh Smith is one of the few gate attractions for this entertainment-based franchise.

Creative idea. No deal.

Paxson scared off Knight. Kept threatening to match any offer for him. Knight wasn't happy about it either. Took a shot at Paxson. I was listening to him on the radio when he made it. Another reason Curry was pissed off at Paxson. Curry was a RFA, so it was Paxson's right to do that stuff. He did the same with Crawford. Isiah bit twice.
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5/31/2006  7:14 AM
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5/31/2006  7:32 AM
Thomas will have gone through four coaches now, made senseless trades, mortgaged the future for a washout center, Eddy Curry; and is the subject of a sexual harassment suit. So sure, why not: Give Isiah more responsibility. Make him the coach.

McK1 - brilliant one-sided take

Thomas fired Chaney and Lenny. Herb is still around.

The senseless trades netted first round draft picks. Lee, Frye and Nate all had bright moments in their rookie season.

Mortgaged the future?

The Knicks roster has seven players who are 26 and under, two first round picks in a deep first round - with $60MM coming off the cap next season.

Qyntel Woods and Jackie Butler were talented, creative and inexpensive acquisitions.

Eddy Curry - the player you call a "washout"?

Eddy Curry, averaged 14 points and 6 boards - ranked #2 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (.563) #11 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes (7.9) and ranked #4 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes (12.51)
is only 23

... and you overlook his production to label HIM a "washout"?


I submit the "washout" label is more appropriate for the person making the claim.

And whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?



[Edited by - misterearl on 05-31-2006 07:35 AM]
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5/31/2006  7:46 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Thomas will have gone through four coaches now, made senseless trades, mortgaged the future for a washout center, Eddy Curry; and is the subject of a sexual harassment suit. So sure, why not: Give Isiah more responsibility. Make him the coach.

McK1 - brilliant one-sided take

Thomas fired Chaney and Lenny. Herb is still around.

The senseless trades netted first round draft picks. Lee, Frye and Nate all had bright moments in their rookie season.

Mortgaged the future?

The Knicks roster has seven players who are 26 and under, two first round picks in a deep first round - with $60MM coming off the cap next season.

Qyntel Woods and Jackie Butler were talented, creative and inexpensive acquisitions.

Eddy Curry - the player you call a "washout"?

Eddy Curry, averaged 14 points and 6 boards - ranked #2 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (.563) #11 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes (7.9) and ranked #4 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes (12.51)
is only 23

... and you overlook his production to label HIM a "washout"?


I submit the "washout" label is more appropriate for the person making the claim.

And whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?



[Edited by - misterearl on 05-31-2006 07:35 AM]

go off yourself

[Edited by - McK1 on 05-31-2006 07:47 AM]
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5/31/2006  7:58 AM
private workout: Saer Sene, 7’0” 235lbs, Center, Senegal

The most important thing to remember when evaluating Sene is how new most of this drill work is to him and how raw a physical specimen he is. Moss made no attempts to hide this fact and was actually quite enthusiastic about the progress Sene has made over such a short period of time.

The physical attributes Sene brings to the table are impressive and even more so when thought of in the context of his lack of any formal weight training and overall developmental experience. When talking to Moss, he projected that Sene could put on 30 pounds of muscle without altering his agility or range of motion whatsoever. After seeing Sene’s impressive frame there is no disagreement. Sene has the ability to touch the rim while standing and uses his phenomenal length to its fullest extent both offensively and defensively. Once his lower body strength is improved he’ll be a terror on the boards and in the paint defensively.

Athletically, Sene has quick feet and is fairly fluid. Nothing he did in the drills was geared to a speed for gauging his peak explosive ability, but Sene was up to his elbows effortlessly on his dunk attempts while going half speed. At one point, coach Moss asked if I had a camera so I could take a picture of him slapping the top of the backboard, so there’s not much more to say about him in terms of shot blocking potential.

Skills wise, Sene has a long way to go before he’s game ready. Sene is working on harnessing the most fundamental of concepts such as jump-stops, post footwork, body positioning, and other form related core basketball concepts. Because of this, all of Sene’s drill work was done at a more measured pace in order to maintain the fundamental approach that is essential for him at this stage in his career. Moss was quick to point out that there are a number of things that Sene does well that simply do not translate into this setting, and that is understandable. Sene has got to continue to develop his hands. While the touch is soft he had only modest success receiving the ball, though not poor. Repetition is something that this 19 year old needs before he can become the aggressor in any offensive area.

Sene does have some tools that are refined enough to serve as an excellent foundation for his future game. For one, there are shades of Kareem in his hook shot. The release point has to be near 11 feet in the air with Sene utilizing the full length of his reach and enormous hands to cup the ball effortlessly before the smooth release. While the footwork isn’t there yet to be a competent offensive weapon, his release is high and consistent with good form, making it unblockable on any level. Sene was actually at his best when doing the motion shooting drills, using glass as well as dropping the ball in directly with an excellent arching trajectory. The improvement on execution during these drills serves as a good indicator of Sene’s ability to perform better in live situations where his instinct takes over.

The negatives are obvious with a player who’s only played 3 years of organized ball. He doesn’t have the lower body strength to hold position in the post against NBA centers and will not be able to simply rely on timing and reach to block shots. Because of the lack of leg strength, Sene cannot establish a low base and he’ll need that on both sides of the ball in the paint. Sene has no defined footwork or feel for the post at this point aside from his nice finishing ability. He’s still at the rudimentary stages of learning how to get himself into a position to utilize his excellent shooting form, so primary offense is not an option at this stage. Also, the lack of repetition leads him to tweak his delivery after a miss or two, though a quick word from Moss here and there would snap him back into line.

The most significant portion of the workout, and what truly will determine if he becomes a factor in the NBA, is his attitude and approach to the game. From what we saw and heard, these areas are only going to serve him well. Sene is visibly hard on himself when failing to execute effectively and was vocal on numerous occasions. But, he also maintains his signature smile and seems to genuinely be having a good time while pushing himself through the routine. Despite there only being two players here, Sene never looked winded, never rested his hands on his knees or said a word about the pace of the drills.

Overall, there is plenty to be encouraged by with Saer Sene. He is definitely a player that shows all the traits that lead one to believe that he’ll continue to develop. But, situation will be essential for Saer as he’ll need a ton of extra attention from the coaching staff of whatever team chooses him. He’s quiet, but has a warm personality that will only serve him well as he attempts to overcome the language barrier and become an active part of whatever organization chooses him.

The best situation for Sene would be one where he has some type of veteran to emulate and practice against, but also have some young players who he can identify with and come to when things are tough. Also, Sene will need a coach that knows how to foster development through positive instruction instead of someone who relies on intimidation and fear to get their message across. A team like Boston, Atlanta, or even Phoenix would be ideal for the various reasons mentioned above.

It’ll take some time to harness his talent but our opinion is that anyone looking for rebounding and interior defense from the center spot, and has the patience to wait for it, would be happy with what their working with.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1314

how far away is he?
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5/31/2006  8:04 AM
>>go off yourself

McK1 - your response is indicative of your chracter and class - or lack thereof

nice cut and paste job by the way

keep up the good work



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5/31/2006  10:20 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by misterearl:

Hawks passed on Eddy Curry last Summer. He even visited Atlanta for a few days and was interviewed on several local news shows.

Billy Knight would never go back on a deal he passed on and Josh Smith is one of the few gate attractions for this entertainment-based franchise.

Creative idea. No deal.

Paxson scared off Knight. Kept threatening to match any offer for him. Knight wasn't happy about it either. Took a shot at Paxson. I was listening to him on the radio when he made it. Another reason Curry was pissed off at Paxson. Curry was a RFA, so it was Paxson's right to do that stuff. He did the same with Crawford. Isiah bit twice.


paxon scared off knight for sure and then curry left his visit early in atlanta to attend a wedding back in chicago...

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5/31/2006  10:53 AM
If Shelden Williams measures at 6'8" with shoes and drops to 20, do you pick him at 20?
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5/31/2006  11:11 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

If Shelden Williams measures at 6'8" with shoes and drops to 20, do you pick him at 20?


I dont think he has a chance to get to 20, but if he did I would take him as BPA. Its possible he could go as high as 5 in some scenarios. There is a lack of big men in the draft
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