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5/26/2006  10:17 AM
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/14669870.htm

Pssst: The Timberwolves, desperate to win now and with Kevin Garnett about to enter his 12th season, are trying to trade their No. 6 overall pick in next month's NBA draft for a veteran player. But because the draft has no high-impact players, the Wolves are having trouble finding a team that wants to deal.


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5/26/2006  10:24 AM
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5/26/2006  10:28 AM
Who does Minnesota have that would match salary wise? Preferably expiring deals that we could just cut. But yeah, getting the 6th pick would (in a draft like this) maybe get us as good a player as we would have gotten with the #2 pick. Marbury would be the ideal guy to deal here but if they would take Francis, I would probably do that too...we need to start getting rid of these guys.
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5/26/2006  10:32 AM
let's just say, for argument's sake, that MIN would take back Marbury in exchange for that #6 pick & their garbage contracts... there's a question of roster space that you need to account for... right now, we have 12 players under contract for next season, as well as 2 young FA's that are likely to be resigned (Butler & Woods)... add to that 3 1st round picks as well as the 3 veteran players that would be coming back in any Marbury trade to MIN, & you're talking about buying out & releasing a TON of salary in order to accomodate this trade... do u think Dolan would agree to it? i don't know.
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5/26/2006  10:32 AM
Rudy Gay, Brandon Roy or Marcus Williams at 6?
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5/26/2006  10:36 AM
Depending what else we're doing, I'd want Marcus Williams because I think he could really be a player who makes everyone around him better (ie Josh Boone and Hilton Armstrong). However, if we can't empty out some of our backcourt guys I think Gay would have to be the guy if available at 6 to stick at SF, since Jalen's most likely gone.
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5/26/2006  10:44 AM
I'd actually lean toward Roy. A complete 2G...can score in a variety of ways, especially off the dribble. Efficient from the floor (>50% shooter on the NCAA level). Does everything pretty well...rebounds, passes, defends.
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5/26/2006  10:56 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Rudy Gay, Brandon Roy or Marcus Williams at 6?

Marcus Williams without a doubt. I still am very high on taking Kyle Lowery around 20 in the draft but out of the players that would be available at 6, Williams is by far the best.
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5/26/2006  11:31 AM
Posted by TMS:

let's just say, for argument's sake, that MIN would take back Marbury in exchange for that #6 pick & their garbage contracts... there's a question of roster space that you need to account for... right now, we have 12 players under contract for next season, as well as 2 young FA's that are likely to be resigned (Butler & Woods)... add to that 3 1st round picks as well as the 3 veteran players that would be coming back in any Marbury trade to MIN, & you're talking about buying out & releasing a TON of salary in order to accomodate this trade... do u think Dolan would agree to it? i don't know.

You beat me to it. I don't think Dolan does it, it doesn't make good business sense for him. Lose the top money earner on your team AND buy out a bunch of scrubs to make roster space? not gonna happen.
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5/26/2006  11:51 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:

let's just say, for argument's sake, that MIN would take back Marbury in exchange for that #6 pick & their garbage contracts... there's a question of roster space that you need to account for... right now, we have 12 players under contract for next season, as well as 2 young FA's that are likely to be resigned (Butler & Woods)... add to that 3 1st round picks as well as the 3 veteran players that would be coming back in any Marbury trade to MIN, & you're talking about buying out & releasing a TON of salary in order to accomodate this trade... do u think Dolan would agree to it? i don't know.

You beat me to it. I don't think Dolan does it, it doesn't make good business sense for him. Lose the top money earner on your team AND buy out a bunch of scrubs to make roster space? not gonna happen.

I think you just used "Dolan" and "good business sense" in the same sentence. Rethink strategy.
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5/26/2006  11:56 AM
Id give them our two picks for their one on that trade.

Butler if we have to.

Why? Lets be real, its not on paper gonna look like a good deal for us. But McHale gotta look good on this one otherwise he can't sell it to Taylor or his ticket holders.

Remember, adding Marbury to the Wolves after the Spree thing, and its his return trip is not going to be easy for him.
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5/26/2006  12:09 PM
I think Steve Francis would be more likely- I'd rather have Marbs than him anyway.

Just out of interest does anyone know what the T-Wolves high contract scrubs are like? How good defensively/ attitude/ passing etc are Troy Hudson, Trenton Hassell, Mark Madsen and Mark blount? Are they complete crap?
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5/26/2006  12:14 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:

let's just say, for argument's sake, that MIN would take back Marbury in exchange for that #6 pick & their garbage contracts... there's a question of roster space that you need to account for... right now, we have 12 players under contract for next season, as well as 2 young FA's that are likely to be resigned (Butler & Woods)... add to that 3 1st round picks as well as the 3 veteran players that would be coming back in any Marbury trade to MIN, & you're talking about buying out & releasing a TON of salary in order to accomodate this trade... do u think Dolan would agree to it? i don't know.

You beat me to it. I don't think Dolan does it, it doesn't make good business sense for him. Lose the top money earner on your team AND buy out a bunch of scrubs to make roster space? not gonna happen.

I think you just used "Dolan" and "good business sense" in the same sentence. Rethink strategy.


that's not the point... this whole fiasco over LB being bought out is because of Dolan's apparent unwillingness to spend mega dollars revamping this roster again... so using that as a guideline, what makes anyone think he'd be open to making a move of this nature, knowing that he'll have to spend a whole bucketload more in buying out the players that come along w/any trade for Marbury to begin with?
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5/26/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:

let's just say, for argument's sake, that MIN would take back Marbury in exchange for that #6 pick & their garbage contracts... there's a question of roster space that you need to account for... right now, we have 12 players under contract for next season, as well as 2 young FA's that are likely to be resigned (Butler & Woods)... add to that 3 1st round picks as well as the 3 veteran players that would be coming back in any Marbury trade to MIN, & you're talking about buying out & releasing a TON of salary in order to accomodate this trade... do u think Dolan would agree to it? i don't know.

You beat me to it. I don't think Dolan does it, it doesn't make good business sense for him. Lose the top money earner on your team AND buy out a bunch of scrubs to make roster space? not gonna happen.

Fans will go to the knick games whether marbury or billy crystal was playing PG. Marbury doesnt make jack sht for the knicks hes a cancer---i wouldnt buyout guys if i had to take jaric and hudson that 3 for 2 if we say that we would have to give up pick 29--if we buyout mo taylor who has one year on his contract--we get the roster spot and probably save a couple mm do we need mo taylor next year?


pick 29 and marbury to min jaric hudson and pick 6 to NY +2

buyout mo tqaylor[have to pay him anyway?? might as well try to buy him out for 1-1.5 mm cheaper and get the backend savings on the l tax for a player that has no value short and long term to us. -1
pick 20+1


thats two roster spots and we have two slots. that also doenst mean at some point that jaric or hudson cant be re-routed.


we need marbury out we need to get younger and let the guys stay together
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5/26/2006  12:41 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:

let's just say, for argument's sake, that MIN would take back Marbury in exchange for that #6 pick & their garbage contracts... there's a question of roster space that you need to account for... right now, we have 12 players under contract for next season, as well as 2 young FA's that are likely to be resigned (Butler & Woods)... add to that 3 1st round picks as well as the 3 veteran players that would be coming back in any Marbury trade to MIN, & you're talking about buying out & releasing a TON of salary in order to accomodate this trade... do u think Dolan would agree to it? i don't know.

You beat me to it. I don't think Dolan does it, it doesn't make good business sense for him. Lose the top money earner on your team AND buy out a bunch of scrubs to make roster space? not gonna happen.

I think you just used "Dolan" and "good business sense" in the same sentence. Rethink strategy.


that's not the point... this whole fiasco over LB being bought out is because of Dolan's apparent unwillingness to spend mega dollars revamping this roster again... so using that as a guideline, what makes anyone think he'd be open to making a move of this nature, knowing that he'll have to spend a whole bucketload more in buying out the players that come along w/any trade for Marbury to begin with?

Exactly, remember when Brown said he doesn't want to trade Marbury for garbage. Dolan is unwilling to do that as well. You would be doing the deal just to get the number 6 pick in a draft that is pretty weak. That #6 pick would have to be atleast equal talent to Marbury. Williams is worth it, Gay in my opinion isn't worth the trouble. I would have to be damn sure that I am getting Williams with that pick.
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5/26/2006  12:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:

let's just say, for argument's sake, that MIN would take back Marbury in exchange for that #6 pick & their garbage contracts... there's a question of roster space that you need to account for... right now, we have 12 players under contract for next season, as well as 2 young FA's that are likely to be resigned (Butler & Woods)... add to that 3 1st round picks as well as the 3 veteran players that would be coming back in any Marbury trade to MIN, & you're talking about buying out & releasing a TON of salary in order to accomodate this trade... do u think Dolan would agree to it? i don't know.

You beat me to it. I don't think Dolan does it, it doesn't make good business sense for him. Lose the top money earner on your team AND buy out a bunch of scrubs to make roster space? not gonna happen.

Fans will go to the knick games whether marbury or billy crystal was playing PG. Marbury doesnt make jack sht for the knicks hes a cancer---i wouldnt buyout guys if i had to take jaric and hudson that 3 for 2 if we say that we would have to give up pick 29--if we buyout mo taylor who has one year on his contract--we get the roster spot and probably save a couple mm do we need mo taylor next year?


pick 29 and marbury to min jaric hudson and pick 6 to NY +2

buyout mo tqaylor[have to pay him anyway?? might as well try to buy him out for 1-1.5 mm cheaper and get the backend savings on the l tax for a player that has no value short and long term to us. -1
pick 20+1


thats two roster spots and we have two slots. that also doenst mean at some point that jaric or hudson cant be re-routed.


we need marbury out we need to get younger and let the guys stay together

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5/26/2006  12:44 PM
I'm pretty sure Atlanta would take Marcus Williams with the 5th pick
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5/26/2006  12:49 PM
i got a trade that works under the salary

seems a little steep for minny

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.4 apg in 36.6 minutes
Incoming
Troy Hudson
6-1 PG from Southern Illinois
9.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 22.1 minutes
Eddie Griffin
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
4.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.4 minutes
Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
19.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.0 apg in 41.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: +17.2 ppg, +8.4 rpg, and +2.1 apg.


Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Troy Hudson
6-1 PG from Southern Illinois
9.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 22.1 minutes
Eddie Griffin
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
4.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.4 minutes
1st Round #6 Pick
Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
19.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.0 apg in 41.2 minutes
Incoming
Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.4 apg in 36.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: -17.2 ppg, -8.4 rpg, and -2.1 apg.


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5/26/2006  12:50 PM
I agree with some of the above - Frnacis will be moved if its for the pick and steph will stay behind - and it a lot of ways it makes sense.

Can they get the #6 pick and package that with some other picks to move up? Is it even worth moving up in this draft?
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5/26/2006  12:50 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:

let's just say, for argument's sake, that MIN would take back Marbury in exchange for that #6 pick & their garbage contracts... there's a question of roster space that you need to account for... right now, we have 12 players under contract for next season, as well as 2 young FA's that are likely to be resigned (Butler & Woods)... add to that 3 1st round picks as well as the 3 veteran players that would be coming back in any Marbury trade to MIN, & you're talking about buying out & releasing a TON of salary in order to accomodate this trade... do u think Dolan would agree to it? i don't know.

You beat me to it. I don't think Dolan does it, it doesn't make good business sense for him. Lose the top money earner on your team AND buy out a bunch of scrubs to make roster space? not gonna happen.

Fans will go to the knick games whether marbury or billy crystal was playing PG. Marbury doesnt make jack sht for the knicks hes a cancer---i wouldnt buyout guys if i had to take jaric and hudson that 3 for 2 if we say that we would have to give up pick 29--if we buyout mo taylor who has one year on his contract--we get the roster spot and probably save a couple mm do we need mo taylor next year?


pick 29 and marbury to min jaric hudson and pick 6 to NY +2

buyout mo tqaylor[have to pay him anyway?? might as well try to buy him out for 1-1.5 mm cheaper and get the backend savings on the l tax for a player that has no value short and long term to us. -1
pick 20+1


thats two roster spots and we have two slots. that also doenst mean at some point that jaric or hudson cant be re-routed.


we need marbury out we need to get younger and let the guys stay together


Hudson, Jaric, and #6 for Marbury and #29 doesn't work according to RealGM. So who did you leave out of your plan?

[Edited by - TemujinKnick on 05-26-2006 12:51 PM]
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