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WOODMANnYk
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5/19/2006  10:23 AM
David Stern, NBA comissioner should get involved in this MSG mess!!! How?? He needs to assist Dolan in acquiring a consultant that would be named president of b-ball operations of the Knicks.. Someone with a great track record in turning a franchise into an elite team and able to control the teams payroll.

Obviously Dolan cannot make good decisions on who should really run this b-ball team.. Stern must get involve and imediately..

Glen Sather of the rangers should've been gone but was lucky when the NHL changed the collective bargaining agreement which benefited the Rangers..

It's sad to see one of the richest/proudest franchises in basketball become a joke of the NBA.. I think that's the only option we have for this team..



The New York Giants went through the same phase in the late 70's early 80's.. Pete Rozelle, NFL Commissioner got involved and helped the giants by choosing George Young to become the teams Pres and G.M... Afterwards, he selected greatest linebacker of all- time in LAwerence taylor. He then picked PArcells as coach and they went out to win 2 SuperBowls

Can't think of anything else

[Edited by - WOODMANNyK on 05-19-2006 10:46 AM]
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5/19/2006  10:44 AM
I think Stern was the one who recommended Thomas to Mills.
Also, IMO, Stern is the one who is pushing Dolan to get rid of Brown. The two don't speak, if it was up to Stern, the NBA would be rid of Brown.
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5/19/2006  10:47 AM
"Larry will have to let the team know how he wants to play. My guess is they'll be getting some more players that would like to play the same way, and my guess is the Knicks will be substantially improved next year." -- NBA commissioner David Stern giving a vote of confidence to Larry Brown and the Knicks.
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5/19/2006  11:06 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I think Stern was the one who recommended Thomas to Mills.
Also, IMO, Stern is the one who is pushing Dolan to get rid of Brown. The two don't speak, if it was up to Stern, the NBA would be rid of Brown.

YOur distaste for anything Larry is well documented. But now your halucinating your hatred.
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5/19/2006  11:11 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

I think Stern was the one who recommended Thomas to Mills.

Stern recommended Magic Johnson. Magic recommended Isiah.
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5/19/2006  12:02 PM
Now we know not to hire Magic.
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5/19/2006  12:06 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Now we know not to hire Magic.

Or Isiah.
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5/19/2006  12:24 PM
Dolan is hard- headed!!! He wants someone who won't bash the team or criticize them.. He's looking for big names... It doesn't always have to be a big name. Just get someone in here that can do the job right.. Opposite from Ass iah..

I guess that's why MArv Albert, the greatest knicks announcer ever got the boot.. It's ashame

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5/19/2006  12:31 PM
a quality gm (like colangelo) wouldn't want to work for this joke of an owner and franchise just like wilkens and brown are learning that quality coaches shouldn't either. and anyone good will come in knowing that power is not shared here and will come in prepared to engage in a power struggle, as did brown.

basically quality has been thrown out, top to bottom, and reclamation projects aren't merely the name of the game for players, but that's what isiah is as a gm, and that's all that will be available in coaches too.

the really good can get their money elsewhere from trustworthy organizations, this is the repository for the overpaid no longer worth what they make who get over glorified on the way in, and stabbed in the back on the way out,.
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5/19/2006  12:35 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Pharzeone:

I think Stern was the one who recommended Thomas to Mills.
Also, IMO, Stern is the one who is pushing Dolan to get rid of Brown. The two don't speak, if it was up to Stern, the NBA would be rid of Brown.

YOur distaste for anything Larry is well documented. But now your halucinating your hatred.

What are you talking about. Stern still holds Brown directly responsible for Athens 2004. Where Brown was criticial of the selection committee which Stern headed. Stern fired back that Larry was on the same committee.
Brown messy divorce with virtually every team was desbribed as a bad distraction to the NBA. Stern wanted to launch an investigation last year about Brown's "so called" meetings with Cleveland.
You have to be crazy to think Stern has warm feelings for Brown. I tell you this, JVG will get a Christmas card from him before Brown will.
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5/19/2006  12:50 PM
At the 2004 Summer Games, Brown roasted his players and the executives who picked them, even though he had as much to do with assembling the team as anyone. During last year's Finals, Brown spent some of Detroit's practice time negotiating with the Cavaliers. This year, Brown won another medal in his favorite Olympic demonstration sport — rhythmic gymnastics — by blessing every personnel move Thomas made before ridiculing them in print 15 minutes later.

Bill Davidson, Pistons owner, would say Brown was "not a good person." David Stern, NBA commissioner, would pass Brown in Athens without speaking to him. James Dolan, Knicks owner, would grow mortified over Brown's petty media feud with Marbury and his endless rants about the roster.

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060516/COLUMNIST03/605160317/1005

This is for Nalod.

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5/19/2006  1:01 PM
LB is definitely no saint, but everyone knew what they were getting when Isiah hired him... we also knew that he was probably the best coach available... you get the bad w/the good w/LB... but he's proven over time that if you let him do his thing, he'll get your team W's in the longrun & make your team better than it was when he got it... if he's fired now after only 1 year, it only goes to prove that Dolan is worried more about public perception than on winning.
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5/19/2006  1:30 PM


The problem with Dolan is not that he cannot pick executives to build a team but it's his philosophy of not breaking down the team and starting from scratch...Dolan has a cash cow at MSG...He makes so much money fielding a playoff caliber team that for him it makes no sense to rebuild the way most teams do...Teams in the NBA really cash in when they win Championships...For the Knicks, if they play .500 ball and get to the playoffs then it's a cash bonanza for Dolan...I was listening to Mike and Mad Dog about Dolan and MSG...People knock him here and in this town but he is a very smart and shrewd business man...He negotiated deals with the Yanks and Mets the pays him handsomely after they pulled out of MSG and started their own networks to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars...So the task of every executives that comes here is to maintain his cash cow, not rebuild this sorry team...Isiah has come the closest to rebuilding with the infux of young players...But Dolan will not allow this team to rebuild, not matter who is brought in....
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5/19/2006  1:34 PM
the solution to this problem isnt easy


#1 they have to get management on the same page as soon as possible--they make decisions on tens of millions of $ and turn around in a short time and give up on it. Of course this all leads to the owner, but its also bad management from everyone else.


in terms of personell-there is NO way and I mean NO way we can keep marbury francis q-rich 2 of these guys at a MINIMUM HAVE to go. I think we may end up in the market for guys like k-mart--yes you are trading money problems for money problems BUT i think a k mart IF he is atleast healed up like a mcdyess is better than having so many ineffecient cry baby guards.


i dont think kmart will be a problem here but keeping what we have IS a problem. id RATHER see if we can get teams interested in giving up picks and what amounts to be role players withOUT max contracts, because that changes the cycle of destruction
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5/19/2006  1:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

the solution to this problem isnt easy


#1 they have to get management on the same page as soon as possible--they make decisions on tens of millions of $ and turn around in a short time and give up on it. Of course this all leads to the owner, but its also bad management from everyone else.


in terms of personell-there is NO way and I mean NO way we can keep marbury francis q-rich 2 of these guys at a MINIMUM HAVE to go. I think we may end up in the market for guys like k-mart--yes you are trading money problems for money problems BUT i think a k mart IF he is atleast healed up like a mcdyess is better than having so many ineffecient cry baby guards.


i dont think kmart will be a problem here but keeping what we have IS a problem. id RATHER see if we can get teams interested in giving up picks and what amounts to be role players withOUT max contracts, because that changes the cycle of destruction


What you are suggesting is more of the same...You are suggesting the Knicks take someone else's hurt, malcontent with a huge contract and use him as a stop gap for our problems...It hasn't worked in the past and will not work in the future...KMart stock was running high when the Nets were a high flying team..His stock is trading well about fair market value, you can't buy it there...The Knicks problem is not talent but management needs to be on the same page about the direction of this team...Larry wants to run things and change to older vets who can win now...Isiah wants to rebuild with younger players...Larry staged a coup and Dolan didn't buy into Larry's plan...So what now??...This problem is bigger than KMart or Marbs or Francis...




[Edited by - holfresh on 05-19-2006 1:46 PM]
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5/19/2006  2:15 PM
I agree that this is a HUGE predicament this team is in. We can't do anything about the man that owns the team. You can change GM's and Coaches, but that is only a surface change. This franchise is setup to be mediocre, with the occasional run to the Finals. Its the reality of our team. Still I think that Isaiah is TRYING to find a way to win even within these strict limitations on what he can do.

They don't mind if you spend money as long as you don't come out and say that you want to rebuild and lose for 3 years straight, with a bunch of no names. Its OK to lose 5 straight years as long as you have some sellable names.
At least Isaiah is trying to bring in yoiung talent the only way he can, thru the draft and scouring the world for young overlooked talent. Its not the classic way to build a team, but I think it could work. We're a lot closer to having a winning team than it seems. In the NBA one player can change a franchise. Just look at what Nash has done for PHX. The rest of those guys are pretty decent, but by adding him it pushed the team up into the top tier.

Now i'm not saying we have a shot at getting someone like that, but there are some very good role players who could help us to fill in the gaps in our lineup. Then starting the year with a Coach who likes the team and wants to coach the team, would really help. It could be Herb for all I care. Just have someone who REALLY wants the job and will do whatever it takes to do a good job. HUNGER and PASSION is what I want.
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5/19/2006  3:21 PM
No shrewd GM wants to work for this buffoon.. His cablevision philosphy sux and he's a hard -headed guy..

Hopefully, we found out a group of powerful investors have an interest in buying the New york Knicks, Rangers, MSG, and Radio City but have Dolan keep his weak cable company.
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5/19/2006  3:31 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

No shrewd GM wants to work for this buffoon.. His cablevision philosphy sux and he's a hard -headed guy..

Hopefully, we found out a group of powerful investors have an interest in buying the New york Knicks, Rangers, MSG, and Radio City but have Dolan keep his weak cable company.

To be fair, Riley did site one of reasons for leaving the Knicks was the fact that the Knicks are structure like a corporation and he wanted part of control of just the Knicks which of course the Dolans couldn't grant. Those would have been some interesting board meetings. Too bad that Charles couldn't win his coup against his son a couple of years ago.
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Posted by BRIGGS:

the solution to this problem isnt easy


#1 they have to get management on the same page as soon as possible--they make decisions on tens of millions of $ and turn around in a short time and give up on it. Of course this all leads to the owner, but its also bad management from everyone else.


in terms of personell-there is NO way and I mean NO way we can keep marbury francis q-rich 2 of these guys at a MINIMUM HAVE to go. I think we may end up in the market for guys like k-mart--yes you are trading money problems for money problems BUT i think a k mart IF he is atleast healed up like a mcdyess is better than having so many ineffecient cry baby guards.


i dont think kmart will be a problem here but keeping what we have IS a problem. id RATHER see if we can get teams interested in giving up picks and what amounts to be role players withOUT max contracts, because that changes the cycle of destruction

As bad as Marbury has been and a distraction. The guy has never been suspended from the team while his team is in the playoffs. That's a huge red flag for me. My goal is to get rid of the divas of Marbury and Francis not replace. Dolan is a diva, Thomas is a diva, Brown is a diva. MSG home of the divas.
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5/19/2006  3:40 PM


The Knicks are part of a corporation that is very successful making lots of money...That is the essential bottom line at camp Cablevision...Keep the money coming...We as fans want a winner out there and have seens instances where winners were built in this league and it resembles nothing that this current Knick organization is trying to do...Dolan will never given any basketball people full control of the team because it means too much to the bottom line of camp Cablevision...I'm just amazed that guys like Larry Brown and Riles who has been around long enough to know there are limits to what they can do here with the Knicks...
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