Posted by McK1:

Knicks mgmt is saying its easier to fire Larry then overturn a portion of the roster to suit the coach's needs

is the problem really overturning it or is it the philosophy and asking price Isiah has set?

I look at Dallas and how they were able to shift gears as the coaching philosophy changed. They got rid of some big names through trade, not resigning and the Amnesty rule. The Nellie Nash-Finley-Dirk teams went as far as they could. Moving on into the future meant letting go and entrusting the organization to the new coach's vision. And as much as Cuban loves Dirk, he still got the order to STFU and play ball.

Nellie's roster (03-04):

Dirk Nowitzki
Michael Finley
Antawn Jamison
Steve Nash
Antoine Walker
Josh Howard
Marquis Daniels
Tony Delk
Danny Fortson
Shawn Bradley
Eduardo Najera
Scott Williams
Travis Best

Nellie/Avery's roster (04-05:

Dirk Nowitzki
Michael Finley
Jerry Stackhouse
Josh Howard
Jason Terry
Keith Van Horn
Erick Dampier (requested and fully endorsed by Avery)
Marquis Daniels
Devin Harris
Alan Henderson
Shawn Bradley
Darrell Armstrong
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga
Pavel Podkolzin

From 03-04 to 04-05 only 4 players returned. The Damp trade was one Avery wanted the organization to make. Jamison a 22 & 8 player and 6th man of the year that year was traded for rookie pg Devin Harris. Walker for Terry +. The team made moves to go to a more traditional approach because that was the style Avery was most comfortable coaching.

big contrast in philosophy when it comes to the Knicks:

Isiah has no wish to let contracts expire.

however the evolution of the rosterrequires such processes. AD and Penny would've freed up 2 roster spots. Suppose in camp there is a Marquis Daniels and a DJ Mbenga aka young harvestable talent. You let the cycle go as it should, such players are signable, instead NY enters the off-season with 11 players already under contract and will likely want to re-sign Butler and Woods.

Isiah doesn't want to come out seemingly on the bottom in the talent evaluation of the trade.

so we keep adding players who mirror each other. what sense did adding Taylor at the trade deadline make when Mike and Kurt were already here and Rose was traded for. How many pf's did we need at that time. Plus we gave up a pick. Last 4 years guys who can play have doppd into the 2nd round.

then there is Reezy and Penny for Steve. Talent wise NY wins in a landslide. However the other shoe failed to drop. What was the point in bringing in Steve if Steph wasnt being moved out? How many balls are there to play with. Francis wants the ball, Steph wants the ball, Crawford wants the ball, Jalen wouldn't mind the ball.

Again Wasteful thinking especially when team needs are looked at in depth. If there really was a need to make a trade, Ratliff would've been more logical. The cap is ****ed through the end of the decade so the argument about his 11 mill over the next 2 years is pointless. Ratliff provides a defensive presence in the lane. Ratliff is a good citizen. Perhaps an extranneous "talent" could've been dumped, especially if Isiah just asks for Ratliff instead of Ratliff and DMiles - as if yet one more selfish player who wants the ball was what the team needs.

the counter is a good coach adapts to the talent.

however when you look at the playoffs, of the teams remaining with coaches that have been there more than a year - Dallas SA Phx LAC - those rosters have all been remade to fit the coach.

Dallas and Phoenix transition happened virtually overnight. Dal and Phx had players in Dirk and Amare readily made to build around. While I don't see Frye as some superstar he does have an offensive skillset that you can weave with.

for starters...I would've stayed with a true post center who can face up or back someone down on O, and actually uses his body on D like Mike was instead of reaching for Ed who is really just a good finisher. Frye is 6' 11 as a help defender he can help make-up for Sweets lack of height until a taller player in that mold was available.

yup yup yup.

d'antoni, within 2 months on the job had steph + penny shipped out b/c they didn't fit his system. d'antoni was a rookie nba coach. yet the gm believed in him and gave him what he wanted. here? lb is senile and all he wants are old bastards. unreal.

Posted by Pharzeone:

I think the Knicks are willing to make changes for Brown, and IMO and other accounts they have done so this season. The problem is that Brown wants total immediate changes.

Posted by djsunyc:

tim and ad were included to make the $$$'s fit within the 125% rule.

Posted by McK1:

Brown likened getting rid of a certain player to what Philly did with TO. If you can't trade him cut him.

IT's history here as GM alone says he totally balked at that notion.

Everything else likely fell apart from there

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by djsunyc:

tim and ad were included to make the $$$'s fit within the 125% rule.

Other players could have been used. Brown admitted to wanting Davis.

how dare he request a guy that IMMEDIATELY became out best defensive frontcourt player...