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djsunyc
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5/17/2006  10:04 AM
WARD SAYS TEAM NEEDS ROLE PLAYERS
By LENN ROBBINS

May 17, 2006 -- Former Knicks guard Charlie Ward is sickened by what he sees.

It's not the losing. The former Heisman Trophy winner at Florida State and longtime Knicks point guard has endured his share of painful losses, great wins and personal successes, including yesterday's selection into the National Football Foundation College Hall of Fame.

It's the way the Knicks lost this season, their utter lack of team play, that Ward can't stomach.

"You look at the roster and they have a lot of guys who come from a I-need-the-ball-to-be-effective mentality," Ward said yesterday. "You've got to have role players. You can't have all superstars or superstar mentality."

Ward was proud of the fact that even though he often started at point guard, he was a quintessential role player in his 10 seasons with the Knicks. He averaged 6.3 points and 4.0 assists, the Knicks were a winning team, and Ward was happy to play his part.

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."

Ward didn't utter Stephon Marbury's name, and Ward said the Knicks' failure wasn't just one player's fault. But Ward always played a leadership position: quarterback at FSU, where he led the Seminoles to their first national championship, then point guard in the NBA. The floor general sets the tone for the team.

"Guys are different," Ward said. "I really can't fathom people saying they can't succeed in a certain system."

Marbury and soon-to-be ex-coach Larry Brown openly clashed over the guard's inability to fit into Brown's system. As reported exclusively by Peter Vecsey in Sunday's Post, the Knicks and Brown are looking into ways to end their relationship after one horrendous season.

Ward was an assistant coach with the Houston Rockets this season and said he's preparing himself to be an NBA head coach. But he said he wouldn't want to coach in New York, and after watching the three-ring circus (James Dolan, Isiah Thomas and Brown) that was the 2005-06 Knicks, who can blame him.

"If Coach Brown is out, whoever the next coach is will have to work a miracle," Ward said. "It's going to be tough. I don't know who led the revolt, but for it to become public and guys to say they can't work in a style is really disheartening.

"Look at Coach Brown's resume," Ward continued. "From the outside looking in, he's had short stints but he's been successful. For players to feel they can't play a system . . . the Detroit Pistons won a title. They might not have liked the system, but they won. The same thing in Indiana. I just think the Knicks are immature."
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djsunyc
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5/17/2006  10:04 AM
i wonder what other former knicks would be saying about this squad - guys like patrick and oak.
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5/17/2006  10:11 AM
Same exact thing that Ward is saying. Except Oak would be colorful. Oak is a couple of steps below Yogi Berra.
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5/17/2006  10:12 AM
only in the eyes of Dolan, Isiah & Mills is Brown the culprit. I'm going to laugh so hard when we win 30-40games and give up 110pts a night
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5/17/2006  10:13 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i wonder what other former knicks would be saying about this squad - guys like patrick and oak.

Probably not that good. sidenote, Those in MSG south should be worrying about their own status. Folks are tired of old Knick players in that organization particularly the media and fans. Van Gundy is a loyal guy but also to a fault.
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5/17/2006  10:14 AM
i looked @ author of the article and wondered because he's da same guy who said ben gordon was seriously being shopped to ny, for one of our "elite" guards

and look @ his article..."soon to be ex-coach"



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5/17/2006  10:17 AM
ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."
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5/17/2006  10:21 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."

wow, didn't see that one.... changing the quote on the main page.
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5/17/2006  10:24 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."

Yeah because that was true, KNick fans were going nuts about Marbury. Though I as mentioned Marbury would crush Ward repeatly and it was Ewing who would be forced to pull out those close games. Role players are only as good as the franchise player, give me a real franchise player. The biggest mistake of this organization could be the 2002-2003 season. Those 37 wins really hurt more than anything else. Ironic that Ward was on that team.
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5/17/2006  10:29 AM
Marbury had a shot to play alongside a franchise guy and didn't want to. Marbs was with KG and still has nothing to show in his career. He couldn't accept the situation and wanted out. It's the story of his career. He has had opportunities to make things happen but he has decided not to. And slowly his career is getting to the point where he will be forgotten quicker than Ward will be even though he's 8 times the talent.

Ward accepted it and was a key cog in our winning. That's the difference between winning and losing regardless of skill level. Winners accept roles and thrive in any system. Losers always blame outside influences for their failures
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5/17/2006  10:32 AM
Marbury had a shot to play alongside a franchise guy and didn't want to. Marbs was with KG and still has nothing to show in his career. He couldn't accept the situation and wanted out.
He was what 18 or 19 at the time? Don't a lot of kids that age make mistakes?
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5/17/2006  10:43 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Marbury had a shot to play alongside a franchise guy and didn't want to. Marbs was with KG and still has nothing to show in his career. He couldn't accept the situation and wanted out. It's the story of his career. He has had opportunities to make things happen but he has decided not to. And slowly his career is getting to the point where he will be forgotten quicker than Ward will be even though he's 8 times the talent.

Ward accepted it and was a key cog in our winning. That's the difference between winning and losing regardless of skill level. Winners accept roles and thrive in any system. Losers always blame outside influences for their failures

At this point in both their respective careers I wouldn't call either a franchise guy. They sucked together, they sucked apart.
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5/17/2006  10:46 AM
True Knick fan should not except Ward's comments so lightly. I read his comments and it made me mad. We know what the state of the Knicks is right now, and people of this generation want to be heard. This should not be done at the expense of the knicks. F- Ward and what ever he has to say bad about the knicks. He also said he would not coach here nobody got upset at that??? Jeff van Gundy never said anything bad about the knicks. You people of this generation are not what they call DieHards. It not about getting people fired it about standing behind whoever we have to, And that is who ever is coaching and Running the Knicks. And the thing he said about marbury sounded a little bitter to me.
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5/17/2006  10:51 AM
charles oakley trashed the knicks management incessantly after he left. and guess what? he was right.

ward is just calling it like he sees it. someone asked him a question, he answered. remember, he's still part of the league as an assistant coach so he's still up to date about things here.

steph called him and childs out about 10 years ago. this was ward's response.
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5/17/2006  10:59 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."


yeah, that was the perfect response, i agree... funny how Marbury had the arrogance to say that the Knicks would never win a title w/Ward & Childs as their PG... they got alot closer to winning one than Marbury ever will, i can tell u that much.
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5/17/2006  11:19 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

ward response to steph was pretty cool:

"Everyone wanted a superstar point guard while I was here," Ward said. "They've got a big name now and they're dealing with the consequences."


yeah, that was the perfect response, i agree... funny how Marbury had the arrogance to say that the Knicks would never win a title w/Ward & Childs as their PG... they got alot closer to winning one than Marbury ever will, i can tell u that much.

He was talking about playing with Ewing. The guy grew up a Knick fan and was crazy about Ewing. I just thank God for Ewing because that man though sully saved so many people their jobs and took so much heat. It cover alot of flaws in this organization.
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5/17/2006  11:39 AM
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True Knick fan should not except Ward's comments so lightly. I read his comments and it made me mad. We know what the state of the Knicks is right now, and people of this generation want to be heard. This should not be done at the expense of the knicks. F- Ward and what ever he has to say bad about the knicks. He also said he would not coach here nobody got upset at that??? Jeff van Gundy never said anything bad about the knicks. You people of this generation are not what they call DieHards. It not about getting people fired it about standing behind whoever we have to, And that is who ever is coaching and Running the Knicks. And the thing he said about marbury sounded a little bitter to me.



what is the next generation of knick fans? guys who didnt see winning basketball? Ill be 38 next month--what am i constituted? i saw the knicks in the 70s 80s 90s and for better or for worse 2001+

anyone who is a knick fan who watched charlie ward KNOWS that his words have a LOT of merit--ive heard oakley say the same thing

i tell you what is wrong with the team--management--the Knicks shouldve given Pat Riley ANYTHING he wanted--to me Pat Riley was the main conduit to long term success with some props going out to Checkettes Grunfeld and then to Van Gundy.
Pat Riley instituted a style of play and Grunfeld was able to get guys who fit the mold and that followed over to Van Gundy.

Im not unhappy that Isiah is trying to get the team younger, but he never had a plan--he cant negotiate, the team has no style of play---he over-traded--overpaid--he made hundreds of millions of $ in mistakes--he should be fired BUT if LB is left in command--some of the young guys we have may be traded off for guys like theo ratliff, and while that may get us a 7-8 seed? i dont think its in our best long term interest.


I would say let Isiah do his draft--and if he can get an extra high pick by dumping marbury i hope they do it.

AFTER the draft, knicks management has to be changed-over--give LB another year and let him be re-evaluted by a new GM. We couldve had Bryan Colangelo--we blew that--im looking for an avery johnson clone to be our new brains--i dont think its totally necessary to find a guy with prior experience as GM. Isiah is a used-car salesman--you dont want that running your team
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Posted by BRIGGS:

what is the next generation of knick fans? guys who didnt see winning basketball? Ill be 38 next month--what am i constituted? i saw the knicks in the 70s 80s 90s and for better or for worse 2001+

anyone who is a knick fan who watched charlie ward KNOWS that his words have a LOT of merit--ive heard oakley say the same thing

i tell you what is wrong with the team--management--the Knicks shouldve given Pat Riley ANYTHING he wanted--to me Pat Riley was the main conduit to long term success with some props going out to Checkettes Grunfeld and then to Van Gundy.
Pat Riley instituted a style of play and Grunfeld was able to get guys who fit the mold and that followed over to Van Gundy.

Im not unhappy that Isiah is trying to get the team younger, but he never had a plan--he cant negotiate, the team has no style of play---he over-traded--overpaid--he made hundreds of millions of $ in mistakes--he should be fired BUT if LB is left in command--some of the young guys we have may be traded off for guys like theo ratliff, and while that may get us a 7-8 seed? i dont think its in our best long term interest.


I would say let Isiah do his draft--and if he can get an extra high pick by dumping marbury i hope they do it.

AFTER the draft, knicks management has to be changed-over--give LB another year and let him be re-evaluted by a new GM. We couldve had Bryan Colangelo--we blew that--im looking for an avery johnson clone to be our new brains--i dont think its totally necessary to find a guy with prior experience as GM. Isiah is a used-car salesman--you dont want that running your team

Briggs, thats a hell of a post. Agree 100%
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5/17/2006  12:19 PM
what is the next generation of knick fans? guys who didnt see winning basketball? Ill be 38 next month--what am i constituted? i saw the knicks in the 70s 80s 90s and for better or for worse 2001+

anyone who is a knick fan who watched charlie ward KNOWS that his words have a LOT of merit--ive heard oakley say the same thing

i tell you what is wrong with the team--management--the Knicks shouldve given Pat Riley ANYTHING he wanted--to me Pat Riley was the main conduit to long term success with some props going out to Checkettes Grunfeld and then to Van Gundy.
Pat Riley instituted a style of play and Grunfeld was able to get guys who fit the mold and that followed over to Van Gundy.

Im not unhappy that Isiah is trying to get the team younger, but he never had a plan--he cant negotiate, the team has no style of play---he over-traded--overpaid--he made hundreds of millions of $ in mistakes--he should be fired BUT if LB is left in command--some of the young guys we have may be traded off for guys like theo ratliff, and while that may get us a 7-8 seed? i dont think its in our best long term interest.


I would say let Isiah do his draft--and if he can get an extra high pick by dumping marbury i hope they do it.

AFTER the draft, knicks management has to be changed-over--give LB another year and let him be re-evaluted by a new GM. We couldve had Bryan Colangelo--we blew that--im looking for an avery johnson clone to be our new brains--i dont think its totally necessary to find a guy with prior experience as GM. Isiah is a used-car salesman--you dont want that running your team


And where in your whole post did you get not backing the Team! New York is a city of banwagon jumpers you have Labron jerseys all over the place, but that's behides the point. My point was we have to stand behind the Team. Oakley and Ward are bitter! Why hasn't Ewing or Starks or anyother real Knick had any bad words to say about the knicks. Think of it like your mother,sister or Daughter was a lady of the night. Would you want Ex's talking to you about how bad she is or would you like the people that are your REAL friends telling you ways you can get through the whole mess??? There's a difference between helping and adding to the problem. we have to stick together in this give me everything "Now" World.
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5/17/2006  12:28 PM
There is some truth to the matter. Ward was traded by this organization to get Marbury so I think he has bad feeling. Oakley has had bad feeling for MSG since 99. On his way out Oak took shots at everyone including Ewing for having too much control. Hell Mason been bad mouthing the organization since 96.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-17-2006 12:29 PM]
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